EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

Mallory

007HallY wrote: »

patb wrote: »

Ironically (considering the recent youtube posting), Lego is the perfect way to appeal to a wide cross section of fans, from the detailed DB5, to smaller kits that dads (and mums) can build with their kids to the video game etc. If I was in the Amazon team, Lego would be high on my list to call (also a great way on intergrating EON Bond highlights with Amazon Bond new kits)

That’d work. There was a planned Bond Lego tie in at some point wasn’t there?

Barbra had this weird thing where she didnt want the Bond video games / toys to feature guns. Lego got around it by including an extra “exhaust piece” in the DB5 kit that doubled as a gun. For the games, I guess she relented on it in the end. But it is weird nevertheless.

patb

Quiet at work so forgive multiple thought dumps...over the years within the forum, there has been much discussion re new Bonds (black, female, older, young etc etc) and the general (and understandable) reaction has been "thats not Bond" and I completlely get that, you don't mess with an icon. But what about a black double 0 agent, female double 0 agent, etc etc, the idea that all of the double O agents are replicants of Bond is bonkers as is that they are sitting doing nothing whilst Bond is out there, saving the World, MI6 would have a range of agents with a range and skills to fit the mission, it's a perfectly believable narrative. Also believable is that, on occcasion, one agent would have to assist another (either planned or as emergency), we saw this in Goldeneye and it was just accepted. From a script writers perspective and from a jo public one, these options are a gift (if treated with care and respect), the universe is there already, waiting to be explored.

007HallY

Mallory wrote: »

007HallY wrote: »

patb wrote: »

Ironically (considering the recent youtube posting), Lego is the perfect way to appeal to a wide cross section of fans, from the detailed DB5, to smaller kits that dads (and mums) can build with their kids to the video game etc. If I was in the Amazon team, Lego would be high on my list to call (also a great way on intergrating EON Bond highlights with Amazon Bond new kits)

That’d work. There was a planned Bond Lego tie in at some point wasn’t there?

Barbra had this weird thing where she didnt want the Bond video games / toys to feature guns. Lego got around it by including an extra “exhaust piece” in the DB5 kit that doubled as a gun. For the games, I guess she relented on it in the end. But it is weird nevertheless.

To be honest I can sympathise with the gun thing with toys, even if just to avoid controversy in America alone. Video games not so much (they tend to be more for teens, often older ones, and beyond anyway).

bondywondy

mtm wrote: »

Does the writer of that piece mean 'vitriolic'? Seems the wrong word there.

I just listened to this week's Rest Is Entertainment where they talked about the situation, and I took it with a pinch of salt to be honest. The main thrust was that Broccoli (who had supposedly been in charge since 'mid way through the Brosnan films) was too attached to Craig and let Craig lead the decision of killing Bond off and couldn't think of a way out of it, and it sounded like Marina Hyde had more been reading forums than talking to people in the know. There's no 'way out of it' to find: he's just a new version of Bond, same as with the case for so many other characters. It's quite a puzzling conversation.

What I do buy is that she was in a funk and couldn't think of a new spin on it exciting enough to actually want to make- I can totally buy that after doing your ultimate version of it for the last twenty years that the enthusiasm barrel rather runs dry. It doesn't mean it can't be done, but it probably does need someone else who's excited to make something like, say, GoldenEye again- but these guys have done that and there's not much in the way of creative hunger left if you've been there and done that, especially if you have taken it in a creative direction and had massive success with it. No-one is expecting Chris Nolan to ever make a new Batman film again, with another new spin on it, for example.

Yes, her enthusiasm had gone. The fact she killed off her intellectual property is the evidence of little to no enthusiasm.

Consider this....

I doubt Lucasfilm would kill off Indiana Jones in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

I doubt Warner Bros would kill off Harry Potter in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

Everything that happened with NTTD is consistent with the outcome in 2025. Craig gone, Bond dead, Eon with no enthusiasm to continue = no development of Bond 26 = Amazon taking over.

And, of course, her obvious lack of enthusiasm to carry on would have been made stronger when Amazon offered the cash. it's very easy to go from "I'm kinda unsure if I want to carry on" to absolute conviction: "yes, I've had enough, I quit!" when Amazon are offering to pay you a billion dollars to quit. Kinda makes the decision a lot easier.

mtm

bondywondy wrote: »

mtm wrote: »

Does the writer of that piece mean 'vitriolic'? Seems the wrong word there.

I just listened to this week's Rest Is Entertainment where they talked about the situation, and I took it with a pinch of salt to be honest. The main thrust was that Broccoli (who had supposedly been in charge since 'mid way through the Brosnan films) was too attached to Craig and let Craig lead the decision of killing Bond off and couldn't think of a way out of it, and it sounded like Marina Hyde had more been reading forums than talking to people in the know. There's no 'way out of it' to find: he's just a new version of Bond, same as with the case for so many other characters. It's quite a puzzling conversation.

What I do buy is that she was in a funk and couldn't think of a new spin on it exciting enough to actually want to make- I can totally buy that after doing your ultimate version of it for the last twenty years that the enthusiasm barrel rather runs dry. It doesn't mean it can't be done, but it probably does need someone else who's excited to make something like, say, GoldenEye again- but these guys have done that and there's not much in the way of creative hunger left if you've been there and done that, especially if you have taken it in a creative direction and had massive success with it. No-one is expecting Chris Nolan to ever make a new Batman film again, with another new spin on it, for example.

Yes, her enthusiasm had gone. The fact she killed off her intellectual property is the evidence of little to no enthusiasm.

Consider this....

I doubt Lucasfilm would kill off Indiana Jones in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

I doubt Warner Bros would kill off Harry Potter in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

Indeed, and Spielberg had Indy ride into the sunset in the last film he intended to make with the character- it took 14 years for him to be persuaded to come back, and many people felt his heart wasn't in it when he did. Chris Nolan 'killed off'/retired Batman in his last film, and arguably had said all he had to say with that character. I don't think that, or Indy riding into the sunset, was a sign of lack of enthusiasm with the character while they were making those films: it was just the story they was telling at the time.

When I see folks slagging them off for that then the criticism of Dame Barbara will seem more balanced.