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What If (Alternate Scenario): What if Bond hadn't encountered Fiona Volpe that night in TB?

SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
edited March 15 in Bond Movies Posts: 3,850
We already have the 'What If' talking about the possible scenarios in the real life world of Bond.

I've been thinking of this for a long time.
I'd liked to discuss the things that could possibly happen in the films themselves, the scripts/plot points, Bond is all about chances, but let's take this what if into an alternate scenarios of what could've happened had each plot points or scenes took a different way/direction (gone wrong, the other way).

Let's start with For Your Eyes Only, we all know that entire climax of FYEO all happened with the help of the bird, yes, Max The Parrot, when the Parrot (who thankfully knows how to speak) revealed where Kristatos and his men were going ("To St. Cyril's! To St. Cyril's"), but let's take a different scenario instead:

After FYEO, here are the list of the What Ifs tackled so far:

What if Max The Parrot couldn't speak and didn't gave Bond and Melina the location of Kristatos and his group? Page 1.

What if the Atomic Specialist didn't arrived to stop the ticking time bomb in GF? Page 1.

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I would think Bond would have contacted Columbo and shared a scene where they discuss possible spots for Kristatos to head. Might be similar to Bond and Willard Whyte in DAF when they are examining the map. Except no one would exclaim "Baha". Instead we'd get "St. Cyrils!"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,192
    Well heck Max could easily tap out the location in morse code, recognizable to Bond through his naval background.

    With that deeper connection, Max would likely take part in the assault on the mountaintop monastery. And play a key role in how the ATAC device is prevented from falling into the hands of the Soviet Union. Naturally extending into the final scene, where events provide Max with a special ladybird friend, maybe a Scarlet macaw.

    A natural for a spinoff film or tv series expanding the Bondiverse back in the early 80s.

    Anyway, Max. Max Max Max.

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    We'd be paralysed - at the Russians' mercy. Securing the ATAC transmitter would surely feather their nest. The British navy's Polaris fleet would be rendered useless. They'd be on the back talon, as if their wings had been clipped. Orders would be countermanded, and even worse - their own submarines ordered to attack their own cities. "Observe, Mr Bond - the instruments of Max destruction."

    General Gogol would call the parrot a genius, move him to Moscow and give him a million bucks in hard crackers. The whole thought of this happening in real life is nuts, it shakes me to macaw. It would be a real birden to live with.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 13 Posts: 3,850
    Those are good answers.

    Let's move on to the another scenario, let's go back to 1964! Goldfinger:

    Like what I've said in my original post in this thread, Bond is no doubt, a determined man, but most of the nerve-wracking situations have been handled by luck (of course, Bond is the man of luck), the one example here is in Goldfinger, when Bond was struggling to disable the bomb (almost counting in near second before giving anyone that Kiss Kiss Bang Bang literal explosion), there’s a man who came to stop the bomb at 007 seconds! (Really? Done that in a Roger Moore Eyebrow Raised fashion) what a luck that he was saved by the bell (no, not, Mrs. Bell, sorry, not by any chance), but looking through the lens of reality, let's discuss this:

    What if the man (forgot his name) didn't arrived to stop the bomb?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    @SIS_HQ a fine idea for a thread, but maybe give everyone a chance to respond before moving onto the next scenario.
    Just a thought.

    I would also like to award @QBranch post of the week for his post.
    A fine job Sir.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,242
    I think Bond was about to tear the cables out of the 'atomic device' which would have either stopped it dead or contaminated Fort Knox for 57 years..!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    People wouldn't be complaining about Thunderball's boring underwater scenes.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,650
    Benny wrote: »
    @SIS_HQ a fine idea for a thread, but maybe give everyone a chance to respond before moving onto the next scenario.
    Just a thought.

    I would also like to award @QBranch post of the week for his post.
    A fine job Sir.

    I found that post fowl...oh wait that is a bird brained thing for me to say. Of course @QBranch delivered a post with eagle eyed accuracy to the question. LOL!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,192
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    What if the man (forgot his name) didn't arrived to stop the bomb?
    Then 007 would defuse it as he's meant to.

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,850
    Are there still willing to answer? 😃
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The character is known only as 'Atomic Specialist', played by actor Robert Macleod.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    QBranch wrote: »
    The character is known only as 'Atomic Specialist', played by actor Robert Macleod.

    That's an interesting fact, thank you 🙂
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The film would have you believe that without this man Goldfinger would have succeeded in his mission, and the Red Chinese would be thrilled with economic chaos in the west. Goldfinger would have gone on to buy X, helped a President take back the White House and likely would have sent a man to the moon. He'd be entered into the annals of history in the chapter of crime.

    Meanwhile since Bond was killed in GF, no one would be there to stop the various mad men from seeing their plots through to the conclusion. Some random thoughts:
    • Blofeld and SP would become the worlds largest criminal enterprise. They'd successfully hold Great Britain ransom and receive 100 million pounds. This would mean Blofeld would likely quit while he was ahead and not help Japan start WW3.
    • Scaramanga would be still shooting at $1,000,000 per shot, though his Golden Gun would be worth considerably more as would the bullets he uses to shoot with, maybe his price climbs to $10,000,000 a shot. Or does he become the man with the Silver Gun?
    • Stromberg would succeed in getting his underwater city as there would be a nuclear war in 1977. Anya would have a long lasting relationship with her Russian agent lover.
    • Jaws never meets and falls in love with Dolly.
    • Drax can't explore space or create a master race as we are all living in the oceans.

    I could go on, but suffice it to say without that man stopping the timer at 3 ticks or was in 7 ticks, the history of the world would indeed take some interesting turns!
  • GerardGerard
    Posts: 6,091
    Blofeld and SP would become the worlds largest criminal enterprise. They'd successfully hold Great Britain ransom and receive 100 million pounds. This would mean Blofeld would likely quit while he was ahead and not help Japan start WW3.

    It was not Japan, it was China.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,850
    thedove wrote: »
    The film would have you believe that without this man Goldfinger would have succeeded in his mission, and the Red Chinese would be thrilled with economic chaos in the west. Goldfinger would have gone on to buy X, helped a President take back the White House and likely would have sent a man to the moon. He'd be entered into the annals of history in the chapter of crime.

    Meanwhile since Bond was killed in GF, no one would be there to stop the various mad men from seeing their plots through to the conclusion. Some random thoughts:
    • Blofeld and SP would become the worlds largest criminal enterprise. They'd successfully hold Great Britain ransom and receive 100 million pounds. This would mean Blofeld would likely quit while he was ahead and not help Japan start WW3.
    • Scaramanga would be still shooting at $1,000,000 per shot, though his Golden Gun would be worth considerably more as would the bullets he uses to shoot with, maybe his price climbs to $10,000,000 a shot. Or does he become the man with the Silver Gun?
    • Stromberg would succeed in getting his underwater city as there would be a nuclear war in 1977. Anya would have a long lasting relationship with her Russian agent lover.
    • Jaws never meets and falls in love with Dolly.
    • Drax can't explore space or create a master race as we are all living in the oceans.

    I could go on, but suffice it to say without that man stopping the timer at 3 ticks or was in 7 ticks, the history of the world would indeed take some interesting turns!

    * And Tracy would've died of drowning instead, or she could've been alive if Draco's men arrived in time.

    * Kananga's cult would still continue in killing several British agents that were being sent in New Orleans (San Monique) and Felix Leiter would've likely to finish the case.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 15 Posts: 3,850
    Okay, let's move on to another topic, anyway, if there are no new answers coming, the topic would only last for 2 days, but it could last for long days, as long as there are new answers coming.

    Okay, let's take a New Year and move on to 1965 with 'Thunderball', Bond, as we all know, have multiple encounters with danger, sometimes, he was saved by a woman's bacon (same thing with Tracy), or in some case, a man (think of that Atomic Specialist), but in Thunderball, it's more of a case of luck, again, luck!
    This was when Bond was done doing a surveillance in Largo's Disco Volante, it's a tense scene that Bond couldn't possibly got out of it alive, if not for.....Fiona Volpe who suddenly came out of nowhere and drove Bond away from it all, could we safely say she's connected to it?

    What if Bond hadn’t encountered Fiona Volpe while escaping from Largo’s men in Disco Volante that night?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 15 Posts: 17,373
    thedove wrote: »
    The film would have you believe that without this man Goldfinger would have succeeded in his mission, and the Red Chinese would be thrilled with economic chaos in the west. Goldfinger would have gone on to buy X, helped a President take back the White House and likely would have sent a man to the moon. He'd be entered into the annals of history in the chapter of crime.

    Meanwhile since Bond was killed in GF, no one would be there to stop the various mad men from seeing their plots through to the conclusion. Some random thoughts:
    • Blofeld and SP would become the worlds largest criminal enterprise. They'd successfully hold Great Britain ransom and receive 100 million pounds. This would mean Blofeld would likely quit while he was ahead and not help Japan start WW3.
    • Scaramanga would be still shooting at $1,000,000 per shot, though his Golden Gun would be worth considerably more as would the bullets he uses to shoot with, maybe his price climbs to $10,000,000 a shot. Or does he become the man with the Silver Gun?
    • Stromberg would succeed in getting his underwater city as there would be a nuclear war in 1977. Anya would have a long lasting relationship with her Russian agent lover.
    • Jaws never meets and falls in love with Dolly.
    • Drax can't explore space or create a master race as we are all living in the oceans.

    I could go on, but suffice it to say without that man stopping the timer at 3 ticks or was in 7 ticks, the history of the world would indeed take some interesting turns!

    To be fair, in Scaramanga's case it would actually mean that the world has several completely clean energy generation plants, perhaps saving our planet from pollution and global warming :D
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 15 Posts: 3,850
    mtm wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    The film would have you believe that without this man Goldfinger would have succeeded in his mission, and the Red Chinese would be thrilled with economic chaos in the west. Goldfinger would have gone on to buy X, helped a President take back the White House and likely would have sent a man to the moon. He'd be entered into the annals of history in the chapter of crime.

    Meanwhile since Bond was killed in GF, no one would be there to stop the various mad men from seeing their plots through to the conclusion. Some random thoughts:
    • Blofeld and SP would become the worlds largest criminal enterprise. They'd successfully hold Great Britain ransom and receive 100 million pounds. This would mean Blofeld would likely quit while he was ahead and not help Japan start WW3.
    • Scaramanga would be still shooting at $1,000,000 per shot, though his Golden Gun would be worth considerably more as would the bullets he uses to shoot with, maybe his price climbs to $10,000,000 a shot. Or does he become the man with the Silver Gun?
    • Stromberg would succeed in getting his underwater city as there would be a nuclear war in 1977. Anya would have a long lasting relationship with her Russian agent lover.
    • Jaws never meets and falls in love with Dolly.
    • Drax can't explore space or create a master race as we are all living in the oceans.

    I could go on, but suffice it to say without that man stopping the timer at 3 ticks or was in 7 ticks, the history of the world would indeed take some interesting turns!

    To be fair, in Scaramanga's case it would actually mean that the world has several completely clean energy generation plants, perhaps saving our planet from pollution and global warming :D

    This is an interesting take, @mtm to be honest, despite of the many problems of TMWTGG, Scaramanga and his plot are definitely the most interesting things in the film.

    Is it the only villain plot with a Pros?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah there's definitely a way of looking at that film where Bond is the baddie!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Bond, as we all know, have multiple encounters with danger, sometimes, he was saved by a woman's bacon
    That's all I've ever wanted in life - to be saved by a woman's bacon.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    This was when Bond was done doing a surveillance in Largo's Disco Volante, it's a tense scene that Bond couldn't possibly got out of it alive, if not for.....Fiona Volpe who suddenly came out of nowhere and drove Bond away from it all, could we safely say she's connected to it?

    What if Bond hadn’t encountered Fiona Volpe while escaping from Largo’s men in Disco Volante that night?
    Well, the thing is, Bond had already got away from Largo's men before making it ashore. There's no way of telling if Largo had contacted Fiona or his men to search along that road. He might've walked the whole way back to his hotel safely, had Fiona not came along.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited March 16 Posts: 725
    He was forced to hitch a ride with a lorry driver, who had a thing for hairy Scotsmen in tiny swimming trunks.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    A Hell Driver perhaps?
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,776
    George_Kaplan wrote: »
    He was forced to hitch a ride with a lorry driver, who had a thing for hairy Scotsmen in tiny swimming trunks.

    I forgot Bond was wearing tiny white shorts 😂 Wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    I haven’t seen TB in a while so I could be off, but I guess it’s unclear whether Volpe’s following Bond or not (maybe Largo had told her to keep an eye on him). She seems like she’s trying to unnerve him by driving fast. Not quite sure how that resulted in the situation we get (if she really knew who Bond was she’d have killed him then and there). Perhaps it’s not meant to make much sense…
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