Bond Movies for Men only?

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2012 Posts: 4,520
    My mom have seen all 4 Brosnan movies in the cinema. With the first three i get the idea she also like the other things. Like i discover later, DAD already be less entertaiment & be problem Bond movie. It helps of couurse iam proud to be a Brosnan fan. I have no shame to talk about the Brosnan era.

    Casino Royale. CR is not realy family friendley movie.
    I have seen it 3 times now and stil i have troubles with the movie.

    CR and QOS i have seen with a close friend of the family, who also go with us to Twine. He have more trouble with QOS the problems i have with CR. But he remember Judy Dench from the view of Twine. It is because he said he whant to go to CR with me, i whas not realy in the mood. I saw the movie on 24 January 2007.

    With QOS the intrest comes back by steps, stil it is not like as it be in the 90's or 2002. Of course this is because DC is a much more closed person, so difrent and Eon/MGM made a step back in promotion too. As said in other threads about DC he is a bit of kind acting Spielberg or like Voldemort. The teacher or child to learn in him also playing against him.






  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    jaguar007 wrote:
    CR butchered Fleming, butchered Bond and ignored the main audience which is the male audience.

    Sorry, but as much as I love Roger Moore, he butchered Fleming and Bond far more than CR did.

    IMO his 2nd film, TMWTGG, was much closer to Fleming than CR could ever hope to be.

    I will say that I think TMWTGG the film is probably better than the book, mainly due to Scaramanga himself. If I recall correctly, Scaramanga in the novel was a simple assassin, worth nothing to anyone but what money they could pawn his golden revolver for, whereas Lee's Scaramanga was the highest paid assassin in the world, had a weapon that fired a single bullet which was made out of pen cigarette case lighter and cufflinks, and an island off the coast of China that had access to some kind of giant mirror and a giant laser (which is closer to reality even today than the laser guns in Moonraker were 33 years ago).

    But closer to Fleming? Nope.
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 1,310

    So it was a "For Chicks' Eyes Only" shot in a primarily male movie

    Que ? CR was not a male movie. It was a chick flick. Male Bond films were from 1962-1989, slightly less in 1995-2002, and non-existent since 2006. CR butchered Fleming, butchered Bond and ignored the main audience which is the male audience.

    Okay, I know you hate Casino Royale @DaltonCraig007, but you can't really mean that, can you? Casino Royale a chick flick? Like this kind of chick flick?
    Legally_blonde.jpg

    Casino Royale????? Really? I understand your arguments, but I cannot even begin to consider Casino Royale as a chick flick! ;)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2012 Posts: 12,480
    Just want to say: Please, I never consider any Bond movie a chick flick. Even with Dan's shirt off.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    a few years back I was at the eye doctors and saw an article in a Men's Health magazine. it listed the top 100 movies for men. It had films like "The Dirty Dozen" "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" "Terminator" to name a few. Only one Bond film made the list:
    DR NO
    The article went on to say that this was before the Bond movies devolved into 'family" entertainment. That being said, my questions would be:
    What other Bond films would you add to such a list?
    And which movie could be listed as [ugh] family entertainment?
    IMO I would list as "Men's Movies"; LTK CR DN FRWL
    Family entertainment; All films from the Roger Moore era, YOLT, DAF, TLD, TWINE,
    The other films could fall in between
    Your comments, thoughts, and feelings?
    And this coming from the most in-the-closet-gay-magazines ever. And what marks a proper 'men's film' ? Is it the amount of violence? Shouldn't there be any drama? Or should there be loads of drama as well? Should there be any humour, or shouldn't there be, and I guess romance isn't allowed?
    Searching for your list I got another one, and check out the film(s) that take the no.1 spot....
    http://www.justaguything.com/100-great-movies-every-guy-should-see
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    I think I want to be sick. And that isn't even regarding their "best line" choice.

    Another win for @DaltonCraig007 it seems!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    NO! (Darth Vader voice)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    Here @Agent007391 this picture might come in handy for you :

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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited January 2012 Posts: 7,854
    Yes, in fact, that works fine.

    That is now my wallpaper.
  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
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    jackdagger wrote:
    I know a lot of other females that like Bond, but like me, they got into the fandom because of male family members. It seems doubtful that women would be drawn into the series on their own.

    Maybe I am in the minority, but I got into Bond thru the novels and it was a sole plunge. I'm an only child; parents didn't go to Bond films. I was always a tomboy maybe that's part of it. And I've always had guy friends. It's nice growing up having Bond in your life, even as a female. It's a fun, adventurous, exciting, exotic, thrilling, and sexy world is Bond.

    Like @4EverBonded, I too got into bond on my own. I don't have any brothers and my father was never a fan of Bond. I just like spy/action films and I enjoyed the Bond franchise.

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    Bond movies are for men. Women like them too because they are top quality men's movies. Women like to see alpha-men behaving like alpha- men, as long as they aren't being jerks about it. Great entertainment is great entertainment.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Nothing wrong with women being fan of Bond films... it's just that the films shouldn't be made for them...
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    My mother detests Bond. Always has.

    Lets face it Bond is a male fantasy (both the films and the books). It should appeal to men.

    It also appeals to some women who have a romantic notion about the ideal man who will sweep them of their feet, feed them caviar and champagne and then do the bed stuff.

    I think thats why my mother detests Bond!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Nothing wrong with women being fan of Bond films... it's just that the films shouldn't be made for them...

    I have no problem with the movies being predominantly for men with a few scenes for women (the aforementioned scenes involving shirtless Craig). There's absolutely nothing wrong with letting movies appeal to all kinds.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    How can CR be viewed as a "chick flick"?! It has bloody action, sexy half naked ladies abound, and Bond is tougher than ever, causing many deaths during chases in Madagascar, a Miami airport, and in a tumbling Italian building! How is that at all appealing to a woman? Most specimen of the female species I know cry at the slightest tug of heartstrings and hate violence.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    CR is truly not a chick flick. Steel Magnolias and Legally Blonde are chick flicks.

    Women can enjoy Bond for reasons other than being swept off their feet by alpha males.
    When I watch a Bond film, I really want to feel like I'm in it - and that means, the action, not just the romance; I want romance and sexy scenes, too, of course.
    Mystery, spies, intrigue, great action scenes, fantastic locations, good guys winning, sharp dialog, unforgettable characters, fun, and some humor amongst the grittiness of it all ... all appeal to women I think in general, and certainly to me in particular.
  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
    edited January 2012 Posts: 543
    Women can enjoy Bond for reasons other than being swept off their feet by alpha males.
    When I watch a Bond film, I really want to feel like I'm in it - and that means, the action, not just the romance; I want romance and sexy scenes, too, of course.
    Mystery, spies, intrigue, great action scenes, fantastic locations, good guys winning, sharp dialog, unforgettable characters, fun, and some humor amongst the grittiness of it all ... all appeal to women I think in general, and certainly to me in particular.
    I agree.

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    edited January 2012 Posts: 4,012
    Artemis81 wrote:
    Women can enjoy Bond for reasons other than being swept off their feet by alpha males.
    When I watch a Bond film, I really want to feel like I'm in it - and that means, the action, not just the romance; I want romance and sexy scenes, too, of course.
    Mystery, spies, intrigue, great action scenes, fantastic locations, good guys winning, sharp dialog, unforgettable characters, fun, and some humor amongst the grittiness of it all ... all appeal to women I think in general, and certainly to me in particular.
    I agree.

    I also agree with @Artemis81 and @4EverBonded, completely. Someone said that female Bond-fans are fans because of male family members. I couldn't disagree more! My father is not at all a Bond fan, my mother is. She became a Bond fan because of the books and after because Roger Moore took the role and she was crazy by him. They used to have big arguments in the begining of their relationship because, well, my mother was still crazy by Moore and my father happened to look a lot like him, that's why she began dating him :\">
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    What other Bond films would you add to such a list?

    I would say that FRWL is more a man's movie than DN. Anyway, Bond movies that I would add to that list would be... DN, FRWL, YOLT, OHMSS, LTK, CR, and QoS are probably movies that are more for adult men then women and children. The rest I would say the whole family could probably enjoy together.
  • Sandy wrote:
    Artemis81 wrote:
    Women can enjoy Bond for reasons other than being swept off their feet by alpha males.
    When I watch a Bond film, I really want to feel like I'm in it - and that means, the action, not just the romance; I want romance and sexy scenes, too, of course.
    Mystery, spies, intrigue, great action scenes, fantastic locations, good guys winning, sharp dialog, unforgettable characters, fun, and some humor amongst the grittiness of it all ... all appeal to women I think in general, and certainly to me in particular.
    I agree.

    I also agree with @Artemis81 and @4EverBonded, completely. Someone said that female Bond-fans are fans because of male family members. I couldn't disagree more! My father is not at all a Bond fan, my mother is. She became a Bond fan because of the books and after because Roger Moore took the role and she was crazy by him. They used to have big arguments in the begining of their relationship because, well, my mother was still crazy by Moore and my father happened to look a lot like him, that's why she began dating him :\">

    I think that's awesome that your mother got into Bond! I was the one who said that the females I know that like Bond movies got into it because of male family members. I'm glad to hear that's not always true. :)
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 546
    Bond films are for everyone. But when I go see Bond films over the year's most of the moviegoers are men.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,081
    Geez. Just read through this thread. I have to say based on the opinions you've expressed most of you guys here seem to have a stereotypical and condescending view of women. (Going together fittingly with homophobia for some.) Bond films are or should be made "for men" (meaning non-gay-men, only, of course)? Some of you think it would, however, be ok to have some scenes here and there "for women"? Oh, how generous and thoughtful. It's not like women can enjoy whole movies, anyway, right, and would be grateful to have some scenes for them? Men would naturally be able to tell which scenes are "for women" and which are not? And women just want to watch romance and hate to see anything violent in a movie? Oh and women have a romantic notion of alpha males and would just want Bond in their beds? You people actually think and believe those things? Bloody hell, that's depressing.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 3,494
    I first call BS on DC's views here. Wherever did he get to? Must be romancing some mademoiselle at college or watched SF and taken the dimwitted and now outdated view of boycotting the films until the Craig era is over. Either way I miss sparring with him, especially about music.

    I also say as the Brits would, "codswallop" to the view that Bond is for men only. My dear late mother loved Sean Connery (said he made her weak in the knees) and his Bond films were included in that. My forever beloved late wife, rest her soul, also enjoyed FRWL, OHMSS, and CR greatly because of more than just who was playing Bond, she enjoyed these stories and others in the series and I know SF would have been on that list of hers.

    I do feel this obsession with covering up Craig is a bit homophobic myself and I'm a very heterosexual man who adores women. Bond movies for me are as much about the hot women on screen and if the current Bond is doing a good job in his latest turn. I could care less how many times he is shirtless or naked any more now than I ever did. I got into Bond as a child for how cool the character was, how beautiful and exotic the women and locations were, the villains and their schemes, etc. Those who really feel this is an issue likely don't like Craig and/or his movies to begin with and are just reaching for another excuse to fortify their opinion.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Tuulia wrote:
    Geez. Just read through this thread. I have to say based on the opinions you've expressed most of you guys here seem to have a stereotypical and condescending view of women. (Going together fittingly with homophobia for some.) Bond films are or should be made "for men" (meaning non-gay-men, only, of course)? Some of you think it would, however, be ok to have some scenes here and there "for women"? Oh, how generous and thoughtful. It's not like women can enjoy whole movies, anyway, right, and would be grateful to have some scenes for them? Men would naturally be able to tell which scenes are "for women" and which are not? And women just want to watch romance and hate to see anything violent in a movie? Oh and women have a romantic notion of alpha males and would just want Bond in their beds? You people actually think and believe those things? Bloody hell, that's depressing.

    Well said, milady.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    jaguar007 wrote:
    CR butchered Fleming, butchered Bond and ignored the main audience which is the male audience.

    Sorry, but as much as I love Roger Moore, he butchered Fleming and Bond far more than CR did.

    IMO his 2nd film, TMWTGG, was much closer to Fleming than CR could ever hope to be.

    Hmm...I missed the Fleming story in which Bond grabbed a sumo wrestler's butt cheeks.
  • echo wrote:
    jaguar007 wrote:
    CR butchered Fleming, butchered Bond and ignored the main audience which is the male audience.

    Sorry, but as much as I love Roger Moore, he butchered Fleming and Bond far more than CR did.

    IMO his 2nd film, TMWTGG, was much closer to Fleming than CR could ever hope to be.

    Hmm...I missed the Fleming story in which Bond grabbed a sumo wrestler's butt cheeks.

    Wow...some people really do live in their own "reality"...

    I'm always surprised when some people talk about how so-and-so the actor or such-and-such a film are more "Fleming-esque" - I wonder if they've ever read Fleming at all!

  • DrNoDrNo North Hollywood, California, USA
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    My wife has detested Bond movies for fifteen years, to the point where I couldn't watch them while she was home - she just sucked my enjoyment of them right away, like a Dementor was in the room. I once had a soundtrack collection of the title songs on in the car and I turned them off because of the discussion it provoked. That bad.

    Then I happened to be watching the last half of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. She wandered in, sat on the couch, and exclaimed at the end....wait, he got married? Wait....she died??

    I have since got her to watch Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace in quick succession (she enjoyed them both), and even Die Another Day, which we both laughed through.

    And my eight year old daughter, for some reason, enjoyed Goldfinger.

    I don't know if any of these constitute chick flicks per say, but they eased a rabid anti-Bond woman, ever so slightly out of the red zone.

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    One of my female friends only likes the Bond movies because of Dench's M. She thinks its so cool that James Bond, the ultra macho super spy, is bossed around by a woman. 8-|
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    My girlfriend loved Skyfall and Casino Royale. I think it really depends on the movie - she hates the Moore films, but loves Dalton and Craig. Majesty is also one of her top picks.

    Speaking on her behalf, she doesn't normally like action movies, but she does like the budget, cinematography, style, and approach of Bond films. Some are duds, some are brilliant. (It's safe to say we're a good match).
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    I think it really depends on the movie

    Isn't that the case with most people - male or female - with most movies (Bond or other)? ;)

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