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James Bond could come to Australia, if actor Daniel Craig has his way

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  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,894
    Benny wrote:
    As I live in Perth, I think it only apt that Bond should come here.
    Although Melbourne and Sydney have a much larger population, Perth is a city of over one million, and the worlds most isolated city. How about a story that uses a terrorist organisation (think Spectre or Quantum) who having commited several smaller terror acts around the world, plant a nuclear device in Perth to demonstrate their power. By turning Perth into a crater.
    Okay so it would need work, but there's a reason for Bond to come to Australia. It would also be more unique, than using the Sydney harbour bridge / Opera house as a backdrop.
    Perhaps the best way to do it would be to start the story in Australia. Have Bond on vacation when he gets rudely awakened by M for a critical assignment in the region - Indonesia, maybe. Or Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore.

    Alternatively, he could be in Australia when he finds something interesting. Like Mr. Big's gold coins in LALD. He manages to acquire one, and then cuts his visit short to return to London.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    No, I like my idea of a nuclear device being planted in Perth.
    He can visit other locations around the globe, but either the pts or finale happens in Perth.














  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    But ... why Perth? I was there once. I remember the roads turned to dirt about thirty metres after turning off the arterial roads.
  • Agent7FAgent7F
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    Virage wrote:
    Pffffft Australia, you'll have to at least throw in New Zealand as well Dan! ;)
    I agree with you don't leave New Zealand in the Dark. Australia & New Zealand make great locations. Martin Campbell can direct the part he's New Zealand or perhaps I should Kiwi Born. Bond can do skiing or Ski Diving there in assignment. Good thinking Virage.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    PanchitoPistoles wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Who cares about plot in Bond films ?

    That explains everything. :) Now I know why you prefer shitty Bond films to CR.

    'shitty' Bond films in your opinion, masterpieces for others. And IMO CR is the 'shitty film'... but atleast I said 'IMO' in that sentence.

  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Agent7F wrote:
    Bond can do skiing or Ski Diving there in assignment.
    His assignment is to ski and scuba dive?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    shadowonthesun wrote:
    Agent7F wrote:
    Bond can do skiing or Ski Diving there in assignment.
    His assignment is to ski and scuba dive?

    *sigh*

    He can have to while he's on the job... Think GF, TB, OHMSS, ...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    shadowonthesun wrote:
    Agent7F wrote:
    Bond can do skiing or Ski Diving there in assignment.
    His assignment is to ski and scuba dive?

    Assignment : unimportant. Let Bond have fun - do some sports, like skiing and scuba diving like @Agent7F suggested. If Bond goes to Australia, it's to visit, see stuff, do stuff...as I said, plot doesn't matter, so for as long as possible Bond should taste a bit of Australian life, culture and landscapes... Bond should go there only if he stays for atleast one hour, so this location doesn't get wasted... He goes to Australia to discover a new location, not to make the plot go forward. So yes Bond should enjoy himself, meet colourful secondary characters, quip one liners about Australia, Australians...
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    shadowonthesun wrote:
    But ... why Perth? I was there once. I remember the roads turned to dirt about thirty metres after turning off the arterial roads.
    perth480a.jpg
    Perth City

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    The port of Fremantle, with Perth City in the background.

    Your assessment of Perth, is one from along time ago. Perth is a vast city, but because of its isolation I feel it would be a suitable location for part of Bonds mission to Australia. It would also as I say give the film a unique filming location over the oft used Sydney and Melbourne.
    As for Ski or water sequences set in New Zealand, what a thought. It wouldn't be to hard to include such locales into the plot. Of a Bond film.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,894
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Assignment : unimportant. Let Bond have fun - do some sports, like skiing and scuba diving like @Agent7F suggested. If Bond goes to Australia, it's to visit, see stuff, do stuff...as I said, plot doesn't matter, so for as long as possible Bond should taste a bit of Australian life, culture and landscapes... Bond should go there only if he stays for atleast one hour, so this location doesn't get wasted... He goes to Australia to discover a new location, not to make the plot go forward. So yes Bond should enjoy himself, meet colourful secondary characters, quip one liners about Australia, Australians...
    That's ... that's not a Bond film! How on earth can you say plot doesn't matter? Without a plot, you've basically made a very expensive two-hour advertisement for various countries around the world.

    No Bond film has ever done this before. Why on earth would EON start doing it now?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    shadowonthesun wrote:
    That's ... that's not a Bond film! How on earth can you say plot doesn't matter? Without a plot, you've basically made a very expensive two-hour advertisement for various countries around the world.

    No Bond film has ever done this before. Why on earth would EON start doing it now?

    Plot doesn't matter for Bond films. And yes, Bond movies are supposed to be 2 hours commercial for various countries, sexy Bond girls, gadgets, Bond's way of life, and filled with lots of quotable one-liners. The plot should be as basic as possible, so that it doesn't take too much time to resolve, so we can have the most of exotic locations, sexy women, Bond inreract with colourful characters, and quip the most quotable one-liners he can. Bond movies are supposed to make you escape everyday life, make you want to visit these exotic locals, use those gadgets, meet these sexy women, and go in life quoting the classic Bond one-liners. Plot can only interfere with the basic mission of what Bond films should do, so it should be as basic as possible so it doesn't take too long for Bond to finish his duty, so we can have the most of this colourful, glamorous, exotic postcard of Bond's world.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    And which Bond film has ever done that? In twenty-two films, there have been twenty-two plots. Bond has never gone to exotic countries, met women, used gadgets or made one-liners without first having a reason to go there. Which Bond film(s) have no plot to them, but are instead a commercial?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    shadowonthesun wrote:
    And which Bond film has ever done that? In twenty-two films, there have been twenty-two plots. Bond has never gone to exotic countries, met women, used gadgets or made one-liners without first having a reason to go there. Which Bond film(s) have no plot to them, but are instead a commercial?

    I said plot in Bond films should be as basic as possible... I didn't say Bond movies shouldn't have a plot. Just a basic plot that doesn't take long to resolve. I want the most of my 2-hours viewing dedicated to sexy women, to exotic locals (2 or 3 of them), to innovative gadgets, to the interactions between Bond and colourful secondary characters, and to a good amount of quotable one-liners. Bond films are a photography of a perfect, exotic, glamourous and exciting world, and to spend 2 hours with the coolest, suavest, most sophisticated and charismatic hero in cinema.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Thin ice gents. Cease the bickering over nothing.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Hey, I'm not looking for a fight here. I'm just trying to understand DC007's opinion since it doesn't make much sense to me, so I'm asking what I think are perfectly reasonable questions. How he wants to take that is entirely up to him.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think plot is as insignificant as DC says. Some Bond films have a poor plot / script as their major weakness, such as TMWTGG and AVTAK. The travelogue idea of the Bond films is important indeed but without a good plot, a very good plot in fact, a Bond film doesn't mean much. A good script is one of CR's major strengths IMO. Perhaps I like working the mind a bit too much in films. ;-)
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    I just don't understand where all this "the plot is unimportant" business is coming from. Each of the novels had very strong plots, even if there were a few issues with the finer aspects of the storytelling (ie one of the changes that I liked in CASINO ROYALE was the way Le Chiffre lost his money as a direct result of Bond's intervention in Miami, whereas in the novel, he simply made a bad investment). The least the films can do is respect the source material by providing a decent story.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    shadowonthesun wrote:
    The least the films can do is respect the source material by providing a decent story.

    Best post of the day.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    We're talking about the films, not the Fleming novels... Yes, the novels have strong plot, and that's good. But the films are entirely different. In the films, plot is unimportant. They just need a basic plot, but it must not distract the viewers from the main point : humour, characters, atmosphere, locations. And I happen to think that TMWTGG is one of the most Flemingesque outing, so even if that film have basic plot, it's closer to the strong story novels than films like CR.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Thank you, Dimi. Now you understand why I find DC's stance so confusing. The gadgets, the humour, the girls and the exotic locales all play their own part in the films, particularly when it comes to defining the look and the feel of them. I am by no means marginalising their importance, so saying "they're not necessary - story is the only thing that counts". But at the same time, the gadgets, humour, girls and locations are just gravy, and gravy alone does not make a meal. The story is the real meat of the film.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    IMO the real meat of the Bond films are the gadgets, humour, characters, locations and atmosphere. The plot isn't even the gravy, it's just the pinch of salt of the meal.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Don't ever invite me around to dinner, then.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    IMO the real meat of the Bond films are the gadgets, humour, characters, locations and atmosphere. .

    Nope they are garnish. The plot is the exoskeleton that the entire body hangs.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    actonsteve wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    IMO the real meat of the Bond films are the gadgets, humour, characters, locations and atmosphere. .

    Nope they are garnish. The plot is the exoskeleton that the entire body hangs.

    In your opinion... IMO the plot is the pinch of salt that is the very basic final element, that often you don't even notice. Gadgets, humour, characters, locations and atmosphere are the core elements, the foundations of the house.

  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Can we maybe stick to one metaphor here? So far we've had meals, the human body and houses ... and all in the past fifteen minutes. My head is starting to hurt from all the mixed metaphors.
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    the plot is the pinch of salt that is the very basic final element, that often you don't even notice.
    How can you not notice the plot? How can you walk out of the cinema and not be able to describe a single thing that happened? I know that's true of certain Michael Bay movies, but that's what you get when you ignore plot and put undue emphasis on the non-essential elements. Do you really want SKYFALL to be TRANSFALLERS: DARK REVENGE OF THE MOON FORM?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    I didn't say you wouldn't notice the plot. But after watching the film, what you'd think of first are the characters, the humour/oneliners, gadgets, atmosphere and locations. The plot would be so unimportant, it wouldn't be mentioned in conversations about the film. Aftter seeing a new Bond film, I prefer to quote the one-liners, think of the memorable and funny scenes, the funny characters, the interesting gadgets and the exotic locations of the film, instead of talking about the plot that I don't care about. No one would be talking about the plot, but about the real core elements of the film.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    It's funny you should say you don't care about the plot, because without a plot, none of the things that you do care about could be put into the film. In fact, I'm pretty sure that your ideal Bond film is practically unfilmable. If by whatever miracle EON managed to pull it off, I think you would be the only one to enjoy it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,718
    Where did I say the films should not have a plot ? I've told you many times that the plot should be basic. I never said there shouldn't be any plot.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Here:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    the plot is the pinch of salt that is the very basic final element, that often you don't even notice.
    Note the use of word "final", which implies it is the last thing added in. Almost as an afterthought.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I don't know how you cook your pastas, but I put salt in the water before putting the pastas in.
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