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I do really like seeing Bond undercover and the tension that comes from that, I've always said that OHMSS is the only Bond film that I think really captures the tension of being a spy (wish they'd kept the bit in the book though where he pretends not to know the agent who got caught on the mountain and just calmly lights a fag as they drag him off to be executed).
It's just the scenes with the girls. Which you're right is a very James Bond scenario but its poorly executed imo because of the "Hilly" stuff. Baker's dub annoys me and while I get what they were going for (nerdy asexual ponce, everything Bond isn't, the perfect disguise) but it just isn't fun to watch and a lot of those scenes are quite cringeworthy and poorly written. "I don't like girls usually" "call me Hilly". I get that he's undercover but reducing James Bond, the coolest fictional character of all time, to that? They really went overboard imo. Don't remember Bond playing up his disguise so much in the book at all. And I think sleeping with the girls does sort of taint his relationship with Tracy.
You're right that it's cool seeing Bond snooping around undercover, with being caught actually seeming like a dangerous prospect instead of a pointless inevitability (in the other films you're just waiting for the villain to find out who he really is, doesn't help that he goes round using his real name). And even the "Hilly" scenes don't drag the film down because the rest of the film is that good. And I agree that there have been worse moments. But I think those scenss are poorly done and they stand out even more because OHMSS is pretty much a perfect film otherwise.
What tension? They could have made it suspensefull and tense like in the book, but prefer silly gags, poorly written and made. It is embarrasing and not in the least tense for me.
I actually like how trippy and psychadelic it all is. Wish they'd played that up a bit more actually. But I agree the general atmosphere is sort of campy and Austin Powers esque.
I agree with you but I wouldn't be quite as critical. I think there are still some tense moments (the mountain climber getting caught, Bond breaking out of his room and snooping around the corridors). But you're right that the gags are really poor and detract from it.
There are some cool moments from that section of the book they missed out.!I think Bond getting captured is a necessary change, because the whole scene with Blofeld is brilliant (they didn't even interact properly in the book because Bond was never captured when his cover was blown). But on the other hand we did miss out on Bond realising they'll be coming for him, pulling on a balaclava and using his rolex as a makeshift knuckleduster which is probably the most intense and most badass sequence I can remember from the books. Hope we see that in a future film, along with the bit where he has to pretend not to know his contact and lets him get dragged off by the guards as he lights a cigarette.
Yeah, a poor scene all round. Not just for Brosnan's poor acting but also kind of Marceau and the melodramatic dialogue.
The hotel scene with Q, Lupe and Pam has a very soapy feel as does the scene with Lupe and Bond in the bedroom
"James don't go...I'm scared". Urgh.
PS. I didn't even add the thunderclaps. Those are actually in the movie.
The added music accentuates and personifies how it came across all those years ago in the theatre. A very demoralizing experience I must say.
The brainwashing bit in OHMSS was a bit poor in my opinion, and the dubbed Lazenby was definitely jarring.
Agreed. Bond movies have been gone way over the top like in MR or DAD, but never before have they gone off on such stupid tangents for the sake of cheap comedy as here. One of the reasons that TMWTGG is the worst of the Moore films for me. It can barely keep to its main premise with all these distracting tangents. Most of the movie is a complete mess until we get onto the island. Sometimes the mess is fun, but on the whole it's definitely a mess.
I'd also mention Pepper's forced return in TMWTGG, as it ties into that scene with Bond escaping. Some people here like what he contributes to the movie by way of humour but I'm not among them. Same goes for that kid selling the "real elephant" and getting pushed over by Bond. Just too many unnecessary additions for the sake of cheap humour.
Maybe it should have been called The Man with the Solex Agitator instead. More accurate.
Wow, if you see it that way you must've really hated SF.
I really have to say I don't see anything there to hate.
Also, I really really wish the screenplay or script of the last two movies had displayed only third as much quality as the TWINE one.
I can not recall one single scene in Skyfall I find particularly soap opery.
In this case I'm afraid I'm not able to help you. Sorry, old chap.
I agree that the script and screenplay were half decent, and as I've said elsewhere there were some interesting ideas in TWINE. I personally believe they failed in the execution. The cast, atmosphere, score, visuals, locations, action sequences, pacing, cinematography, tonal balance and most notably Bond actor performance did absolutely nothing for me.
Yeah, it really could've been so much more.
John Barry's music when the girls enter a scene is very similar to the stuff Eric Rogers ( a much under appreciated composer) would write for the Carry on films.
LTK is full of am-dram moments. Talisa Soto is awful and Timothy Dalton thinks he's in King Lear. It isn't until you see Robert Davi that you realise what good screen acting is.