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Both films contain some good, individual "bits" though.
Lost any clear sense of 'who' or 'what' Bond is? How so? CR and QoS both remind me a lot of the literary Bond. Some parts don't add up, but a lot does too. So I don't feel Craig's Bond films have lost anything. I like the themes of the new grittier Bond, instead of the campy DAF and Moore's whole run, which truly lost any sense of who or what Bond was.
This author doesn't share your opinion lol.
http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/qos-film_review.html
Wow, I'm shocked. Someone trashing Craig's Bond. First of all, this guy needs to rewatch QoS. The scene with Bond and Mathis on the plane was analyzed incorrectly. Bond didn't forget the name of the drink. If he said it, A VESPER, he would start thinking about her, so he decided not to say anything to bring her up again. He was hurting. The scene where Bond dumps Mathis's body also wasn't looked at on the other side of the coin. In the books, Mathis and Bond have history, and have known each other for a long time. In the films, Bond doesn't know Mathis until they meet up in Montenegro, not giving much of a chance to get to be BFFs. Mathis is also label as a conspirator working with Le Chiffre by Bond, and though Vesper was the culprit, Bond still had M sweat Mathis. We go into QoS with Mathis and Bond in an unsure relationship. At the point of the film where Mathis is dumped, he and Bond are still not true BBFs. Bond understands the line of work he is in, and knows that death can come at any moment. It came for Mathis. And I don't think the CR/QoS Mathis really would've given a crock. HE WAS DEAD. Do you think he cares if his body is dumped? Whether Mathis is dumped in a bin or grave, he is getting dumped all the same. At least Bond got some money out of it that Mathis would have wanted him to take anyway. Money is no good to the dead.
or this person ;)
I must confess I'm no DAD lover but part of me does agree with you there. I've always found Quantum a rather forgettable, "filler" film. Die is certainly more memorable, even if it is for all the wrong reasons. Bond films are, and should be, "event films". Die was an "event", Quantum wasn't.
http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/pages/QoS_2013.htm
Also earlier in the movie the time lapse shots of them walking out of the desert and then of the bus they are on heading down a road.
Other little moments I liked:
The different fonts used to identify the locations.
The look Mathis's girlfriend has when she realises he's leaving with Bond.
The moment at the end of the fight with Slate when he's dying but not quite dead and Bond is holding him down on the balcony.
The bit where M says Dominic Greene is a person of great interest because the CIA put her through to Bean.
Bean's reaction when his plane hits some turbulence.
Felix handing the phone back and pausing before saying 'Sorry'.
Bill Tanner siting at a computer watching Bond's photos come in from the opera.
Camille's eyes when she thinks she's going to be killed in a fire like her parents:
http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/pages/QoS_1966.htm
The shot of Vesper's necklace in the snow at the end which puts me in mind of OHMSS, probably because of the Pan paperback cover.
On the other hand I find it hard to think of any moments in DAD that I liked.
QOS is not a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination, but for me it's superior to most of the Brosnan and Moore entries.
Bond is not classless. He was in the beginning of the career. Maybe in the following villains, he acquired his class, gentle, and lovely character as we know him.
He was 40 years old ! Connery was 31 in DN and already a 00-agent for several years ! Craig Bond must be a total retard for 1) be a rookie at age 40 and 2) Be acting like a erratic teenager at the age of 40.
Oh well, a 40 age guy doing what he did's actually not right. But i guess that Bond's not "age-considerably", because Bond seems to not get old, although the actors have different ages.
Both are at the bottom of my list, but at least DAD felt like a bond film.
IMO, QOS was a pretty big mess too.
I like all of DAD up until iceland. If it weren't for the iceland and plane parts DAD would probably be one of my fave bond films. But because of those parts its one of my least faves.
But I don't want to watch a Bond film I can only enjoy when I don't think. Movies are all about thinking. What is happening next, who's that guy, how did he do that; etc. I won't turn a blind eye on films and become ignorant to the film's content. I'll review it as what it is.
Me too. :)
Here's what I love about DAD:
-The PTS after the surfing bit
-The theme song (Better than any of the Bassey songs by far)
-From just after the theme song till Bond meets Jinx
-Bond in the Cuban clinic
-The fencing sequence till the end of the Q lab sequence
-Though I abhor the fact that Bond and Zhao's cars literally cancel each other out, the car chase
-Bond's fight with Graves is okay
-Any scene with Michael Madsen in it
-The Credits (no, not the music, the finality of the end of the movie)
Ah, there are QoS lovers out there that see the truth!
The thing about DAD is that it starts really strong and ends really poorly. The thing about QoS is that it's not so different as some people may think but the overly-arty direction and confusing editing make it off-putting at first.
Although many might think DAD the more "fun" film I'd probably rewatch QoS more often. I think that's it's a more cohesive film and the editing plays better on the small screen than the big screen (and, for lack of a better way of saying it, you get used to it).
The plot was convoluted and hard to follow. It did have good cinematography and editing and some good fight scenes. Action as well. QoS is not the best Bond by a long shot but there are plenty of worst films than QoS in the Bond franchise.
By comparison DAD is just a lot of garbage. The silliest gadget, the invisible car was just so far out there it was riduculous . Why would Q give Bond an invisible car to take to Iceland and drive in the snow? Does this technology even exist? We could accept the cloaking devices in Star Trek or the Alien in Predator but at least when the Alien moved you could see the distortion. Would the invisible car work the same way? I don't know. The Lotus in TSWLM is outrageous but in a fun way and it never takes itself as serious but the film makers really insults our intelligence with the invisible car.
the CGI was overused and way over the top.
Jinx was good to look at but otherwise she brought little to the film, plot or anything. Just the fact that Halle Berry was used (most successfully) to sell the film annoys the crap out of me. It made money but it's a very bad movie.