Die Another Day vs Quantum of Solace

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  • Posts: 1,856
    While DAD's "Fencing Match" is better then Most of the action sequences as QOS. Solace is the better film.

    DAD tries to honor every film before it and drowns in it (although Q's Lab and bring back the Aston where nice touches), and it suffers for it. Also the title of the film is forced down Brozzer's throat. This with The Bad CGI, Racism to the twelfth degree, Breaking every law of physics and motion, The Gun in the engine, The invisible car, one supper rubbish bond girl, The same damn plot with the space laser!!! and bad acting and dialogue delivery. Make DAD a Bad Bond (although I watch it when i'm in the mood for a bad film.) with the exception of the design department and Miss Pike.

    QOS I see as the boutique bond film. The one with the arty camera angles and sets. But Craig dose what Brozzer didn't and hold the film together!! Gemma Arterton and Giancarlo Giannini are also so brilliant! and don't get me started on the car chase and the best use of action in any of the films. I know it has its floors: The Baddies, The Plot. But the thing is it tries to do something that no other Bond dose while it fails it tries.

    In short let me put it like this: Is the franchise being rebooted after QOS?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    A good merit to describe QoS: "Better to have tried and failed than failed to try". I'm looking at you DAD!
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Virage wrote:
    In short let me put it like this: Is the franchise being rebooted after QOS?

    Really I think that's unfair to DAD. The franchise didn't get rebooted becasuse of DAD; it got rebooted because MGM finally got the rights to CR and since it was Bond's first outing they wanted to make him a younger agent, plus they were trying to compete with the Bourne movies. At the time of its release, wasn't DAD the highest grossing Bond film?

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    At the time of its release, wasn't DAD the highest grossing Bond film?

    Yes, and I believe QoS is right now.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Although adjusted for inflation, TB, GF, YOLT, FRWL and LALD are the top 5.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    So, three Connery's, a Craig and a Moore... Sorry Dalton, Lazenby and Brosnan!

    By the way, which one's actually highest? Is it TB?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    So, three Connery's, a Craig and a Moore... Sorry Dalton, Lazenby and Brosnan!

    By the way, which one's actually highest? Is it TB?

    I made a mistake - It's 1) TB, 2) GF, 3) YOLT, 4) FRWL and 5) LALD. CR is 6th and QOS is 11th.

    As for attendance : 1) TB, 2) GF, 3) FRWL, 4) CR, 5) LALD.
  • Posts: 251
    DAD, for all its silly moments, had Bond in it. QOS didn`t. The fencing scene was better than any of the fast edited head bashing that was in QOS.
    DAD did have a story, God knows what QOS was about. If anyone can enlighten me, please do.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I made a mistake - It's 1) TB, 2) GF, 3) YOLT, 4) FRWL and 5) LALD. CR is 6th and QOS is 11th.

    As for attendance : 1) TB, 2) GF, 3) FRWL, 4) CR, 5) LALD.

    So, four Connery's a Moore and a Craig (plus a further Craig down the list). I didn't think that TB would score so high on that list (if it's TV viewings had anything to say about it, I figured it would have been lowest, as the movie's rarely on TV).

    A link for the full list, please?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    1) Thunderball: $989,798,019
    2) Goldfinger: $950,851,612
    3) You Only Live Twice: $658,440,000
    4) From Russia With Love: $657,190,588
    5) Live And Let Die: $647,200,000
    6) Casino Royale: $642,322,532
    7) Dr. No: $602,478,011
    8) Moonraker: $593,196,812
    9) The Spy Who Loved Me: $588,624,215
    10) GoldenEye: $580,608,243
    11) Quantum Of Solace: $576,336,563
    12) Die Another Day: $526,359,783
    13) Tomorrow Never Dies: $523,679,798
    14) The World Is Not Enough: $504,144,305
    15) Diamonds Are Forever: $497,745,454
    16) For Your Eyes Only: $497,382,733
    17) Octopussy: $421,428,571
    18) On Her Majesty's Secret Service: $408,845,070
    19) The Man With The Golden Gun: $369,522,994
    20) The Living Daylights: $346,213,810
    21) A View To A Kill: $304,396,044
    22) Licence To Kill: $278,504,399
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Wow, LTK is actually at the bottom? I assumed FYEO or OP to be down there.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I can't believe that LTK is at the bottom and TLD is third from the bottom! Wasn't expecting them to be towards the top but sure as hell wasn't expecting them to be close to the bottom.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    That list is as of 2008, which means Quantum Of Solace made $586,090,727 and is actually 10th on the list. No big deal but hey, it was a samll error. ;)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    That list is as of 2008, which means Quantum Of Solace made $586,090,727 and is actually 10th on the list. No big deal but hey, it was a samll error. ;)

    What would the list be now?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    That list is as of 2008, which means Quantum Of Solace made $586,090,727 and is actually 10th on the list. No big deal but hey, it was a samll error. ;)

    What would the list be now?

    The same order, just higher values for all films. For example Thunderball is now over $1 billion. This is of 2011 though, we'll be able to calculate the series as of 2012 in a couple of weeks time.

    I was going to post the list for Skyfall when it's released to see how it fares but it looks like I was beaten to it - LOL.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    That list is as of 2008, which means Quantum Of Solace made $586,090,727 and is actually 10th on the list. No big deal but hey, it was a samll error. ;)

    What would the list be now?

    The same order, just higher values for all films. For example Thunderball is now over $1 billion. This is of 2011 though, we'll be able to calculate the series as of 2012 in a couple of weeks time.

    I was going to post the list for Skyfall when it's released to see how it fares but it looks like I was beaten to it - LOL.

    Except that QoS is now 10th instead of 11th? Did it just swap places with GE?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,356
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    That list is as of 2008, which means Quantum Of Solace made $586,090,727 and is actually 10th on the list. No big deal but hey, it was a samll error. ;)

    What would the list be now?

    The same order, just higher values for all films. For example Thunderball is now over $1 billion. This is of 2011 though, we'll be able to calculate the series as of 2012 in a couple of weeks time.

    I was going to post the list for Skyfall when it's released to see how it fares but it looks like I was beaten to it - LOL.

    Except that QoS is now 10th instead of 11th? Did it just swap places with GE?

    Yes. Quantum Of Solace has always been tenth.
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    @Shoreline: Basically, Dominic Greene is looking to acquire a vast expanse of desert from the Bolivian government to which he will stockpile all the water and cause a water shortage in Bolivia. In return, he will put General Medrano back in power and make other nations recognize his new Bolivian government. As to why Greene needs to stockpile the water, I have no idea. It has to do with Quantum making tons of money, but I have no idea how that is to be achieved with making a water shortage.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Interesting list for sure. I'm always surprised at LALD's impressive success, considering it being the follow-up to DAF and introducing a new James Bond which, at the time, was still a bit risky. Seeing OHMSS rank so low, hurts though.

    One very important thing for people to bare in mind is that no Bond film ever brought in less than three times its budget, thereby effectively being a "successful" film in financial terms.

    I love this series. :x
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    :x I love it more ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2012 Posts: 28,694
    No, I do. Who else would shove all these emoticons into one post?!:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Oh... the terror that is emoticons...
  • Posts: 251
    00Beast wrote:
    @Shoreline: Basically, Dominic Greene is looking to acquire a vast expanse of desert from the Bolivian government to which he will stockpile all the water and cause a water shortage in Bolivia. In return, he will put General Medrano back in power and make other nations recognize his new Bolivian government. As to why Greene needs to stockpile the water, I have no idea. It has to do with Quantum making tons of money, but I have no idea how that is to be achieved with making a water shortage.

    Thanks. Clear as mud.


    ;)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    @Shoreline: Basically, Dominic Greene is looking to acquire a vast expanse of desert from the Bolivian government to which he will stockpile all the water and cause a water shortage in Bolivia. In return, he will put General Medrano back in power and make other nations recognize his new Bolivian government. As to why Greene needs to stockpile the water, I have no idea. It has to do with Quantum making tons of money, but I have no idea how that is to be achieved with making a water shortage.


    I never got that either.
  • Posts: 251
    I don`t think anyone got anything at any point!
    I went along to see QOS with 8 friends, and I was the only one at the time who came out liking it. But you see, I like it by default, because it`s Bond. With retrospect, it is a messy movie, devoid of a lot of things I happen to like about the previous Bond films.

    With a series that has lasted so long, there are bound to be the odd stinker that comes along, I hope Skyfall does better, although I fear it could become a bit of a luvvy fest.....and please, no more over dramatised spewing from Dench.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    QoS can leave a few things out, or outright doesn't tell you things. Two instances up for example are when Bond asks Mathis if [Mathis] is his cover name. Mathis agrees, and Bond says "it's not a very good one". I never understood why Bond asked if Mathis was a cover name. How did he know? Was it because he saw that the General was on to him and had him killed?

    Another time, after Bond meets with Yusef, Bond walks away from M after saying "you were right about Vesper". What was M right about? At the end of CR she said to him that she gave her life to save him, so was he agreeing that her motives were good? Does anyone here know the answers to either of these? They stump me. :-??
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited January 2012 Posts: 7,854
    QoS can leave a few things out, or outright doesn't tell you things. Two instances up for example are when Bond asks Mathis if [Mathis] is his cover name. Mathis agrees, and Bond says "it's not a very good one". I never understood why Bond asked if Mathis was a cover name. How did he know? Was it because he saw that the General was on to him and had him killed?

    Another time, after Bond meets with Yusef, Bond walks away from M after saying "you were right about Vesper". What was M right about? At the end of CR she said to him that she gave her life to save him, so was he agreeing that her motives were good? Does anyone here know the answers to either of these? They stump me. :-??

    Well, I'm still in the dark about Mathis and his "cover name". I tend to ignore that part (I assume, of course, that the chief of police knew that Mathis worked for/works for MI6, and he's obviously under Quantum's thumb, and so he reported it to Greene, and Greene ordered him to have his men kill him).

    As for Bond with Yusef, something tells me there's a scene that might have been in the script (or even filmed) that had M telling Bond something about Vesper, which Bond didn't believe, then after he speaks with Yusef, he discovers that M was right all along, and since Forster didn't want to sacrifice the relationship with Bond and M, he kept the scene of Bond telling M she was right, with no reference to what it was she was right about.

    When I novelize this film for my Fanfiction.net account, I'm gonna have to use a lot of glue and paste explanations into places they need to be.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    QoS can leave a few things out, or outright doesn't tell you things. Two instances up for example are when Bond asks Mathis if [Mathis] is his cover name. Mathis agrees, and Bond says "it's not a very good one". I never understood why Bond asked if Mathis was a cover name. How did he know? Was it because he saw that the General was on to him and had him killed?

    Another time, after Bond meets with Yusef, Bond walks away from M after saying "you were right about Vesper". What was M right about? At the end of CR she said to him that she gave her life to save him, so was he agreeing that her motives were good? Does anyone here know the answers to either of these? They stump me. :-??

    Well, I'm still in the dark about Mathis and his "cover name". I tend to ignore that part (I assume, of course, that the chief of police knew that Mathis worked for/works for MI6, and he's obviously under Quantum's thumb, and so he reported it to Greene, and Greene ordered him to have his men kill him).

    As for Bond with Yusef, something tells me there's a scene that might have been in the script (or even filmed) that had M telling Bond something about Vesper, which Bond didn't believe, then after he speaks with Yusef, he discovers that M was right all along, and since Forster didn't want to sacrifice the relationship with Bond and M, he kept the scene of Bond telling M she was right, with no reference to what it was she was right about.

    When I novelize this film for my Fanfiction.net account, I'm gonna have to use a lot of glue and paste explanations into places they need to be.

    I always assumed what M was right about was that Vesper did do everything that she did for Yusef; Bond only had it confirmed once he saw Yusef with the Canadian Intelligence woman.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    ^
    By "did everything", you are referring to the confirmation that Vesper agreed with Quantum's demands to save Yusef? M could be right about a number of things. She could be right that Vepser knew she was going to her death when she delivered the money in Venice, though it doesn't fit. But after he says that M is right, Bond tosses the Algerian love knot into the snow. I view it as a sign of him moving on, but does anyone view that differently?
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