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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • SharkySharky
    Posts: 266
    Dr No for me, i like OP and i think it is one of the best Roger Moore performances but DN started it all and it was done with such style. Connery's performance is great, as is all the cast actually. The pace is good, the action is all pretty small action but i think that is one of its strengths, the fight with Mr jones, the fight with Quarrel and Pussfeller leading into Felix's introduction, The car chase with the hearse, the action on the beach which leads to the bit in the swamp and then the bit with the dragon and the finale with Dr No's death are all entertaining IMO. And DN has so many iconic moments like Bond's introduction, the killing of Dent and Honey coming out of the sea. DN gets my vote.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Dr. No
  • DB5DB5
    Posts: 408
    I'm sorry, I just can't see James Bond dressed up in a clown suit. James Bond is no clown! Dr. No.
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    Dr No is a classic and started the whole thing but c'mon OP is the too damn good!
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    I like OP; a top ten Bond film and one of Moore's best. But there is no comparison. <b>Dr. No</b>

    *Connery as suave and cool James Bond
    *Dr. Julius No as one of the best villains of the series
    *A more comprehensible, but mysterious Hitchockian plot
    *Terrence Young direction > John Glen
    *Honey Ryder as the ultimate Goddess Bond Girl emerging from the Carribean Waters
    *Quarrel
    *The overall island/tropical feel
    *It doesn't have John Barry, but this doesn't hurt the film, since all the <b>music cues</b> in Dr. No are perfect.

    Whoever said the music to Dr. No is rubbish, is out of their mind. Sure, there aren't the memorable sweeping melodies of later John Barry scores to come. The music in DN is almost a nonentity, I don't really even hear that much soundtrack music in it other than the songs: 3 Blind Mice, JB Theme, Underneath Mango Tree, and the calypso performance by Byron Lee & the Dragonaires in the bar. These songs all fit the mood and atmopshere of the film perfectly. The sound effects also, like stomping the spider, are kitschy and fit the mood of a quirky 1950's detective story/kitchen drama.

    ...Just had to get that off my chest, because I've seen DN get unfairly bashed for it's music, which never made any sense to me, because it has so little importance to the movie (except for the 3 main songs). It's like criticizing Lawrence of Arabia for it's Special Effects.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    DB5 wrote:
    I'm sorry, I just can't see James Bond dressed up in a clown suit. James Bond is no clown! Dr. No.

    The clown suit was Bond doing what he does best, improvising.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Dr. No is my prefered of the two.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Dr No is obviously a great movie but part of me thinks it's a bit too "prototype" for what's to come. Op I just enjoy a little bit more tbh.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited July 2012 Posts: 28,694
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Dr No is obviously a great movie but part of me thinks it's a bit too "prototype" for what's to come. Op I just enjoy a little bit more tbh.

    It was the first film, duh. It's supposed to feel like that.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Dr No is obviously a great movie but part of me thinks it's a bit too "prototype" for what's to come. Op I just enjoy a little bit more tbh.

    It was the first film, duh. It's supposed to feel like that.

    Exactly, I don't see how one can hold that against the film. If anything this is a credit to the film for setting the standard.
  • GrindermanGrinderman
    Posts: 165
    DarthDimi wrote:
    DN

    ..... And one more thing I absolutely love about the film is that there's comedy, but in a controlled fashion. No slapstick, which I often find borderline insulting......

    Thank you! Simply can't say it better than that.

    Dr. No it is.

    Besides, I'd hate to break my streak of voting for the eventual loser. ;-)
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    To beat Doctor No as a Bond movie, you've got to go some... and Octopussy simply can't compare. Maybe I was a little hard on it before, but it simply can't live up to Connery's debut and first release, one of the best ever of the series. Dr No wins
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    Dr No

    Although I think it's time for me to go back and watch OP.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    JBFan626 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Dr No is obviously a great movie but part of me thinks it's a bit too "prototype" for what's to come. Op I just enjoy a little bit more tbh.

    It was the first film, duh. It's supposed to feel like that.

    Exactly, I don't see how one can hold that against the film. If anything this is a credit to the film for setting the standard.

    Yeah but I just enjoy OP more :p
  • wildboonjivewildboonjive
    Posts: 299
    Octopussy is more fun, I'll give you that. But Dr. No is easily the superior entry. Not just is it more iconic, it's simply a better movie, both as a Bond entry and as a standalone. It's much better made.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    wildboonjive wrote:
    Octopussy is more fun, I'll give you that. But Dr. No is easily the superior entry. Not just is it more iconic, it's simply a better movie, both as a Bond entry and as a standalone. It's much better made.

    Dammit in many ways you're right but I'm going to stick to my guns :p
  • wildboonjivewildboonjive
    Posts: 299
    BAIN123 wrote:
    wildboonjive wrote:
    Octopussy is more fun, I'll give you that. But Dr. No is easily the superior entry. Not just is it more iconic, it's simply a better movie, both as a Bond entry and as a standalone. It's much better made.

    Dammit in many ways you're right but I'm going to stick to my guns :p

    The personal passion is what makes this fun :)

  • The007SwedeThe007Swede
    Posts: 127
    A couple of weeks ago I would have said OP. But I revisited Dr No last week and it grew on me. Just Connery's presence on the screen is astounding and him alone gives OP a tough fight. Add a very good villain, Ursula Andress and a rather tight and easy plot and the conclusion is that Dr No is the superior movie. For me that is.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,133
    The007Swede wrote:
    A couple of weeks ago I would have said OP. But I revisited Dr No last week and it grew on me. Just Connery's presence on the screen is astounding and him alone gives OP a tough fight. Add a very good villain, Ursula Andress and a rather tight and easy plot and the conclusion is that Dr No is the superior movie. For me that is.

    And this from the country who gave us Maud and Kristina. OO7Swede, you may well hang your head in semi-shame.

    ;)
  • The007SwedeThe007Swede
    Posts: 127
    Benny wrote:
    And this from the country who gave us Maud and Kristina. OO7Swede, you may well hang your head in semi-shame.

    ;)

    It feels as a betrayal against Maud and Kristina.. But against Andress they don't stand a chance even though they are fellow swedes!
    :D
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    Im really happy to see Octopussy getting so much love. I thought it was gonna get maybe 3 or 4 votes, one of them being mine. I always felt it was an underrated Bond film and easily one of Roger Moore's better outings.
  • Agent005Agent005
    Posts: 562
    Dr. No
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Im really happy to see Octopussy getting so much love. I thought it was gonna get maybe 3 or 4 votes, one of them being mine. I always felt it was an underrated Bond film and easily one of Roger Moore's better outings.

    Octopussy is a GREAT Bond film, make no mistake. I would wager one of Moore's best two. But compared to Dr. No, which has a very fluid story, Sean Connery, Joseph Wiseman, Ursula Andress, Jack Lord, Jamaica, Ken Adams set, Terrence Young direction, a full Ian Fleming Story--I just can't say OP is better. But it is great--definitely top 10 for me.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    A great battle here between to quality entries.

    I entirely respect those who have gone for OP. It is an excellent entry. And as someone noted above it is amazing what Roger was able to get away with. Indeed, he doesn't just pull off the bad jokes and comedy, he makes it integral to the overall enjoyment of the film. It's a testament to his utter class as Bond.
  • GrindermanGrinderman
    Posts: 165
    Getafix wrote:
    ...Indeed, he doesn't just pull off the bad jokes and comedy, he makes it integral to the overall enjoyment of the film. It's a testament to his utter class as Bond.

    See, here's where The Great Divide begins between the major factions of JB fans. What you call "bad jokes" and "comedy", others (myself included) call glibness, flippancy and just plain bad writting.

    A matter of taste, I suppose. But one thing's for sure: the cliche 'over-the-topness' and coyness of Moore's films sure made Mike Myers a ton of money.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    OP
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Heh, just an image of Connery swinging through the trees doing Tarzan yells, putting on 'gator suits and clown 'fits and telling tigers to 'sit' in Doctor No...

    The first release was dead serious as was the second, and that's how I like my Bond, Roger Moore was a decent Bond, but he took the humor a little too far on occasion in 1983
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Grinderman wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    ...Indeed, he doesn't just pull off the bad jokes and comedy, he makes it integral to the overall enjoyment of the film. It's a testament to his utter class as Bond.

    See, here's where The Great Divide begins between the major factions of JB fans. What you call "bad jokes" and "comedy", others (myself included) call glibness, flippancy and just plain bad writting.

    A matter of taste, I suppose. But one thing's for sure: the cliche 'over-the-topness' and coyness of Moore's films sure made Mike Myers a ton of money.

    I think there are those who see it as a Great Divide and others who see it as all part of the glorious mash-up that is Bond tradition. The seeds of the Moore brand of comedy were laid during Connery's tenure. OP has a lot more going for it than a few dodgy sight gags. If you want bad writing then check out the Brosnan outings.
  • JrW_008JrW_008 The North
    Posts: 112
    As much as I enjoyed certain parts of Dr No, I disliked others. Octopussy, on the other hand, currently is and has potentially been my favourite Bond film for a good year or two, having watched it around 9 times in that period, each time without fail I enjoyed it from A to B.

    So for me, my vote goes to Octopussy
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    DarthDimi wrote:
    DN

    Many people have lost perspective nowadays and fail to understand exactly how impressive it is that they were able to reach this film's high quality given its small budget, relatively inexperienced team (inexperienced at least in terms of energetic spy thrillers) and the fact that there was no blueprint for the modern Bonds yet. Considering how bold they were, how much they pushed the barrier in those days, it was nothing if not a successful gamble with many strokes of genius. Unfortunately, like I said, many people have forgotten how much more of an impact DN had on films in those days versus OP in the early 80s. And today, this is what makes me decide. I think OP is an overall great film but DN ranks much higher on my list. I not only find it an entertaining film (and I'm a fan of 'older' films), I respect this film, I appreciate what it did for the franchise, but I'm afraid only a handful of fans who really want to pay deference to it are left. Some even dare to call it dull and tedious. Wow, unbelievable, blasphemous even! This is the film that introduces Connery as Bond lighting up a cigarette (they don't even dare to do that nowadays!), this is the film that shows us the Bond girl in a bikini coming out of the water (downright revolutionary in those days), this is the film where Connery's Bond shoots Dent in one of the most iconic scenes ever in the Bonds. There was no checklist like in the later films, there was groundbreaking material in all regards, from the opening titles, with gunbarrel, the Bond Theme music, the acting, the manners of the characters... A thousand times wow - WOW - WOOOW!! And one more thing I absolutely love about the film is that there's comedy, but in a controlled fashion. No slapstick, which I often find borderline insulting, like the entire Monsoon palace escape sequence in OP. It's a big no-no for me. No matter how much I love OP, it's a good meal like I've had several meals before. DN is like reliving that very first time I tasted the most excellent stuff I'd never tasted before.

    Basically everything he said. Dr.No gets my vote too.
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