Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • Posts: 266
    TMWTGG for me but only just. I voted for that one mainly because of Scramanga.
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    Looking at my most recent rankings, it is extremely close for me, but Die Another Day pulls the lead by one position. Over The Man with the Golden Gun, it boasts better action sequences that deliver more excitement and energy, the better 007 actor, and a better soundtrack. TMWTGG delivers the better main villain and better story, and both movies feature incredible locations, so no winner on that note. Still though, I prefer DAD.
  • Posts: 165
    Yikes. It's Bond stuffing a midget into a suitcase vs. Bond in an "invisible" car.
    Laughably awful Bond girl vs. awful, groan-inducing dialog with awful Bond girl.
    Bland Bond vs. over-the-top Bond.
    Sun-powered death ray from space vs. sun-powered death ray from space.

    TMWTGG isn't a bad movie, but it does tend to make me sleepy. DAD, on the other hand, is a pretty bad movie, but for some reason doesn't bore me as much. I guess the action sequences (terrible CGI not withstanding) are good enough to keep my eyes open for the full 2.5 hours.

    So if I had to choose, I'd have to go with Die Another Day. But I don't feel good about it.
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    The Man With The Golden Gun
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Both are Bond films lacking in taste and neither I would actually want to watch, unless I were having a 00Heaven season. Yes, TMWTGG may have the legendary Chris Lee. But otherwise it has nothing else going for it, it is insipid trash. A puss filled boil on the arse end of the series. DAD doesn't have anything in it's favour, excpet at it's worst, it's not quite as soul crushingly awful as DAD at it's own worst. "Yo mamma" included in that last sentance.

    DAD.
  • Posts: 1,492
    Whenever DAD is put up against anything its massacred. And quite right too,..

    I think Clown porn is better then DAD..

    GG is great, I love it.
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    Both are bottom of the barrel for sure, but Die Another Day edges this one out for me...barely.

    I give it to DAD because most of the opening half is entertaining to an extent I suppose. Golden Gun just never really had anything going for it in the first place.
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    Grinderman wrote:
    Yikes. It's Bond stuffing a midget into a suitcase vs. Bond in an "invisible" car.
    Laughably awful Bond girl vs. awful, groan-inducing dialog with awful Bond girl.
    Bland Bond vs. over-the-top Bond.
    Sun-powered death ray from space vs. sun-powered death ray from space.

    TMWTGG isn't a bad movie, but it does tend to make me sleepy. DAD, on the other hand, is a pretty bad movie, but for some reason doesn't bore me as much. I guess the action sequences (terrible CGI not withstanding) are good enough to keep my eyes open for the full 2.5 hours.

    So if I had to choose, I'd have to go with Die Another Day. But I don't feel good about it.

    While I would put GG above DAD (Chris Lee influenced that decision more than anything) part of me gets what you mean. GG is alrite but feels very slow and uninspired (the middle section in particular). DAD may be a lot of things but it isn't "slow".

    That said GG probably has a more class than DAD. The dinner scene between Bond and Scaramanga stands out in particular.

    Never been a fan of GG - even when I was a child I thought it was quite boring and routine - but enjoyed it a bit more the last time I saw it.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    actonsteve wrote:
    I think Clown porn is better then DAD..

    This statement is 100% accurate.
  • Posts: 5,634
    Stop that at once, we'll get Buttons back on with this.... :-S

    Christopher Lee is head and shoulders (in more ways than one) over Toby Stephens as lead villain, Nick Nack makes for a better henchman that Vlad (or even Zao) and Lulu is streets ahead with the music over Ciccone. The pre title sequences are harder to seperate though, as Die Another Day is, actually very well done and may even be a winner on that level. But Golden Gun does not irritate me, there is lots to get involved in, it has Clifton James return, some great shots of Thailand and China, and does keep the interest, and it is much more plausible, no CGI crap either that I can remember from a last viewing. Moore looks more feasible as James Bond than Brosnan did in his final release also, to be truthful

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    @Baltimore_007: Of course, yes, Francisco Scaramanga is a much superior villain than the cruddy Gustav Graves, but as far as the henchmen are concerned, I'd have a hard time trying to pick between Nick Nack and Zao or Vlad. None of them are good honestly, they all stink big time. Certainly all last picks for me on the henchmen list.
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    Nick Nack had that eerie quality to him. A bit of an unknown quantity even. You never seemed to tell what side he was on also some of the time, remember he wanted Lee dead so that he could inherit the Scaramanga Island for himself. He is way more stand out than the terribly underused Vlad and disappointing Zao characters
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I would probably select Zao, just because the fight scene between him and Bond in Cuba was pretty entertaining. I don't even consider Nick Nack a villain, as he had absolutely zero threatening qualities about him. But, if there's one thing he was a professional at, it was whipping bottles.
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    Nick Nack had that eerie quality to him. A bit of an unknown quantity even. You never seemed to tell what side he was on also some of the time, remember he wanted Lee dead so that he could inherit the Scaramanga Island for himself. He is way more stand out than the terribly underused Vlad and disappointing Zao characters

    I do see what you're saying, definitely. He always did seem to have his trust in the middle of the road, especially in scenes where he gives Rodney the money for the kill, but then tricks Bond into thinking he's on his side, and then goes to help Scaramanga from the control room. And then there's the confusion as to why he risked his freedom or possibly his life to go back and attempt a last kill on Bond on the boat. Was it because he cheated him out of his chances at inheriting the island, or was it because he had murdered his boss? Hmm......
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I would probably select Zao, just because the fight scene between him and Bond in Cuba was pretty entertaining. I don't even consider Nick Nack a villain, as he had absolutely zero threatening qualities about him. But, if there's one thing he was a professional at, it was whipping bottles.

    Hahahaha, indeed, indeed! I certainly agree also that he was not threatening in the least. His size alone determined that, but we were even more sure about his weakness given that pathetic fight he put up on Scaramanga's boat at the end of the movie. At least Zao could put up a decent fight. Still though, both are incredibly cheesy to me and aren't worth a whole lot as henchmen.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The sad thing is that I don't know if we were supposed to take him seriously. He seems slightly menacing, but that is completely 86'd when he gets stuffed in a damn suitcase. Poor little guy.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    The sad thing is that I don't know if we were supposed to take him seriously. He seems slightly menacing, but that is completely 86'd when he gets stuffed in a damn suitcase. Poor little guy.

    Hahaha, exactly, it is a question at that as to whether or not he was played for laughs or for an actual cunning/lethal henchmen. Either way, I think both failed.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The only way I could have possibly taken him seriously is if he just shot Bond in the back at the end and the Bond franchise stopped from there on out.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    The only way I could have possibly taken him seriously is if he just shot Bond in the back at the end and the Bond franchise stopped from there on out.

    Hahahaha, then he would easily become the most hated character in the franchise!
  • Posts: 5,634
    Next time you watch the end of Golden Gun, on Scaramangas Junk boat, watch when Nick Nack goes to the wine rack and throws random bottles at Moore, they smash and crack all over the place but................





    There's no Liquid in any of them ?!


    (Maybe Lee got real thirsty and had a party on board and put all the empties back, but it's still a nonsense event)
  • Posts: 4,762
    Next time you watch the end of Golden Gun, on Scaramangas Junk boat, watch when Nick Nack goes to the wine rack and throws random bottles at Moore, they smash and crack all over the place but................





    There's no Liquid in any of them ?!


    (Maybe Lee got real thirsty and had a party on board and put all the empties back, but it's still a nonsense event)

    Oh right, this goof. Indeed, this one is hard to let go! It's just that bad! If there can be that much broken glass on the set, then how about going the extra mile and putting some real liquid in those bottles!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It could be something to do with an agreement with the company. The same thing happened with the cans in the GE tank chase, when Bond plows through the Perrier (right?) truck.
  • Posts: 4,762
    Creasy47 wrote:
    It could be something to do with an agreement with the company. The same thing happened with the cans in the GE tank chase, when Bond plows through the Perrier (right?) truck.

    Yeah that's it, Perrier.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yeah, anyway, they allowed the cans to be used, but they had to be emptied beforehand.
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    What happened was,

    JW Pepper got on board and drunk the lot some point earlier in the film. He did seem a little bit inebriated during the car chase in Thailand and somersault stunt

    'Little Brown Pointy Heads!'........

    'Did ya ever think about gettin' a drivers license boy!'......

    'Whooooo, Wheeeeeeee !, I ain't never done that before!'

    Ah, it all becomes clear now..
  • Posts: 4,762
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Yeah, anyway, they allowed the cans to be used, but they had to be emptied beforehand.

    That's so weird, you'd think it would do the company better if everyone could see the actual product onscreen!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    00Beast wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Yeah, anyway, they allowed the cans to be used, but they had to be emptied beforehand.

    That's so weird, you'd think it would do the company better if everyone could see the actual product onscreen!

    The problem is those cans were flying straight at Brosnan, and in the long distance scenes, the Tank driver/stunt man. Having full soda cans being launched at you can (no pun intended.) be dangerous and painful. Empty cans were better because they can hit you and not hurt you.
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    Murdock wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Yeah, anyway, they allowed the cans to be used, but they had to be emptied beforehand.

    That's so weird, you'd think it would do the company better if everyone could see the actual product onscreen!

    The problem is those cans were flying straight at Brosnan, and in the long distance scenes, the Tank driver/stunt man. Having full soda cans being launched at you can (no pun intended.) be dangerous and painful. Empty cans were better because they can hit you and not hurt you.

    Well you know you're right, I hadn't really thought about it that way. I guess I assumed he was inside the tank and the cans would just bounce off of the armor, but now that I remember this, he was outside the tank at that moment.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If anything, seeing those cans on screen made me want to roll a tank through busy streets and smash into things.

    If you have never done it, you should watch the commentary for GE. Very enjoyable. I believe it's Campbell and MGW.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    If anything, seeing those cans on screen made me want to roll a tank through busy streets and smash into things.

    If you have never done it, you should watch the commentary for GE. Very enjoyable. I believe it's Campbell and MGW.

    I need to do that! I usually don't ever fool around with the special features except for the old trailer and TV spots, because typically the features they give outside of that don't keep me engaged that much.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I, too, rarely watch a film's commentary, but I watched GE one night, and restarted it with the commentary attached. Quite entertaining.
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