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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • Agent005Agent005
    Posts: 562
    Casino Royale
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    00Beast wrote:
    I too will follow suit and vote for Casino Royale. Not much explanation is needed on this one, it's quite obvious for what reasons it trumps YOLT. Still though, here they are:

    -Better soundtrack
    -Better 007 performance
    -Better action (though it is close)
    -Better villains (Osato and Brandt are cheesy losers, and Le Chiffre beats Pleasance Blofeld)
    -Better locations (I prefer the varied lot of the Florida, Madagascar, Montenengro, and Venice over the whole time spent in Japan)

    Barry beats Arnold every time, and this is from a major Arnold enthusiast. Even Arnold himself says YOLT is his favourite soundtrack of all time.

    The rest, apart from maybe the villains, I agree with, and for that reason, my vote goes to CR.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    @CraigMooreOHMSS: I just dislike the fact that the majority of the soundtrack is all orchestral, stringy, instrumental melody sounds, whereas the CR soundtrack has a much harder rock sound to it, which heightens the enjoyment.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    @00Beast Fair enough, if you prefer the more modern styles then I can't argue. The CR score is very good.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    @00Beast Fair enough, if you prefer the more modern styles then I can't argue. The CR score is very good.

    It's not necessarily the more modern take that I appeal to, but when you compare CR to YOLT on the soundtrack level, I have to go with the harder, more hard rock style. I just think that the CR soundtrack feels more polished and sleek than YOLT's.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    00Beast wrote:
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    @00Beast Fair enough, if you prefer the more modern styles then I can't argue. The CR score is very good.

    It's not necessarily the more modern take that I appeal to, but when you compare CR to YOLT on the soundtrack level, I have to go with the harder, more hard rock style. I just think that the CR soundtrack feels more polished and sleek than YOLT's.

    But then you'd have to consider the films themselves too. Barry fused oriental style with the classic Bond style perfectly. CR, for the most part, is Arnold's love letter to the earlier days of Bond music. It's more similar to Thunderball than YOLT though, I would say.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    @00Beast Fair enough, if you prefer the more modern styles then I can't argue. The CR score is very good.

    It's not necessarily the more modern take that I appeal to, but when you compare CR to YOLT on the soundtrack level, I have to go with the harder, more hard rock style. I just think that the CR soundtrack feels more polished and sleek than YOLT's.

    But then you'd have to consider the films themselves too. Barry fused oriental style with the classic Bond style perfectly. CR, for the most part, is Arnold's love letter to the earlier days of Bond music. It's more similar to Thunderball than YOLT though, I would say.

    Yes, I could definitely see-or hear, rather-the similarities between CR and TB in terms of soundtrack.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    00Beast wrote:
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    @00Beast Fair enough, if you prefer the more modern styles then I can't argue. The CR score is very good.

    It's not necessarily the more modern take that I appeal to, but when you compare CR to YOLT on the soundtrack level, I have to go with the harder, more hard rock style. I just think that the CR soundtrack feels more polished and sleek than YOLT's.

    But then you'd have to consider the films themselves too. Barry fused oriental style with the classic Bond style perfectly. CR, for the most part, is Arnold's love letter to the earlier days of Bond music. It's more similar to Thunderball than YOLT though, I would say.

    Yes, I could definitely see-or hear, rather-the similarities between CR and TB in terms of soundtrack.

    Anyway, at least we can both agree CR is superior to YOLT in most ways!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    Plus in the CR website, it sampled music from TB. ;)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,231
    Murdock wrote:
    Plus in the CR website, it sampled music from TB. ;)

    I didn't know that! :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Plus in the CR website, it sampled music from TB. ;)

    I didn't know that! :D

    Yeah, this was Before CR was released, however after it was released, It uses the same music clip that is in the Skyfall website.
  • DB5DB5
    Posts: 408
    Casino Royale.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Casino Royale (2006 I hope)

    This is a bit of an unfair contest
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    Casino Royale even though the best duck aged quite a bit.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,356
    Casino Royale.
  • SJK91SJK91
    Posts: 1,310
    Without any doubt, Casino Royale.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    edited July 2012 Posts: 1,874
    This one is too easy.
    Casino Royale by a mile. CR is brilliant in so many ways and You Only Live Twice is a mad as a box of frogs! No contest.

    edit do love YOLT score though, one of my favourites of the series.
  • VolanteVolante
    Posts: 774
    Casino Royale
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Common. Casino Royale (although I do enjoy YOLT and don't think it deserves some of the flack it gets)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Casino Royale
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
  • bondsumbondsum
    Posts: 3,333
    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE...
    I like CR a lot but it's just not in the same league as YOLT.
    Connery wins everytime.
  • chuck007chuck007
    Posts: 172
    Casino Royale
  • WVPoefWVPoef
    edited July 2012 Posts: 147
    Casino Royale wins

    List of ratings.
    CR - 2.
    YOLT - 14.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Easy: Casino Royale.

    Like I said: easy.

    Seconded, Casino Royale for me as well. Not that I hate YOLT by any means. Has my favorite Bond girl ever and a lot of good things going for it, including inspiration for the storylines of TSWLM and TND.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Easy: Casino Royale.

    Like I said: easy.

    Seconded, Casino Royale for me as well. Not that I hate YOLT by any means. Has my favorite Bond girl ever and a lot of good things going for it, including inspiration for the storylines of TSWLM and TND.

    I for one have always thought that TSWLM and TND did better with the YOLT plot than YOLT actually did. YOLT leaves many questions and plot holes to be discovered, whereas TSWLM and TND leave little, if none at all. Also, the villain's motives are more clearly explained in the latter two releases.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    00Beast wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Easy: Casino Royale.

    Like I said: easy.

    Seconded, Casino Royale for me as well. Not that I hate YOLT by any means. Has my favorite Bond girl ever and a lot of good things going for it, including inspiration for the storylines of TSWLM and TND.

    I for one have always thought that TSWLM and TND did better with the YOLT plot than YOLT actually did. YOLT leaves many questions and plot holes to be discovered, whereas TSWLM and TND leave little, if none at all. Also, the villain's motives are more clearly explained in the latter two releases.

    What plot holes and questions are you referring to may I ask? I'd be happy to explain whatever it is you are missing. I find Blofeld and the Chinese motives very clear.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Easy: Casino Royale.

    Like I said: easy.

    Seconded, Casino Royale for me as well. Not that I hate YOLT by any means. Has my favorite Bond girl ever and a lot of good things going for it, including inspiration for the storylines of TSWLM and TND.

    I for one have always thought that TSWLM and TND did better with the YOLT plot than YOLT actually did. YOLT leaves many questions and plot holes to be discovered, whereas TSWLM and TND leave little, if none at all. Also, the villain's motives are more clearly explained in the latter two releases.

    What plot holes and questions are you referring to may I ask? I'd be happy to explain whatever it is you are missing. I find Blofeld and the Chinese motives very clear.

    It just does not make sense why the Chinese would pay Blofeld to spark war between the USA and Russia. What is their gain from this? Also, Blofeld's money wouldn't be worth anything, because if war did flare up, and global devestation followed, how could he even use it?
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    This is a hard one but I think I may actually have to give it to Casino Royale.
  • JrW_008JrW_008 The North
    Posts: 112
    This is the most difficult match up I have came across, these two ranking 4 and 5 in my rankings. My heart goes with YOLT, my brain with Casino Royale, and my vote with YOLT!
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