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However he does get better and delivers the last scene perfectly. Also, I defy anyone to not get a bit emotional during the scene in the barn when Bond proposes to Tracy.
While I do probably put Dalts higher than Laz, OHMSS easily beats Kill. I've said this so many times on here that I (fairly) recently had a double bill of OHMSS and LTK and the former just has a more "Bondian" touch and sensibility, not to mention that it's heavily based on Fleming's novel. In comparison Kill just feels a bit...generic.
Who's that aimed at?
But the win this round goes to OHMSS.
Easily one of the best films of the series. Lazenby you fool.
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9. LTK
Definitely OHMSS for me.
LTK is the old story of the cop whose frien has been injured or killed by someone he arrested before. He is taken out of the case but he refuses, so he is suspended. However, he continues with the case and he gets the villain with a little bit of help of his friends in the office.
This film, LTK could be any film in the 80s, change Bond for McClane and this could be a perfectly valid Die Hard film.
But in QOS, we have the mission of discovering what organization is behind all these acts and who's the boss, plus we have the revenge theme from the only person Bond has ever really loved in his life, plus he thinks that she was a mole and that she betrayed him.
In QOS the worst things are the shaky-camera, the TS, theme song and the gun barrel, but the rest, what matters, is much much better than LTK.
And you ignore all my points of why it feels like a Bond film. Nice one.
The mission in QOS wasn't just discovering Quantum (it should've been), it was something about stealing water??? I'm not sure, because I had no idea what was going on. And you never see the boss.
Bond loved Tracy.
What exactly, is much better than LTK? The villian? Some forgettable european guy in a suit is better than a classic, menacing and memorable villian like Sanchez? The whole water story, which is forgettable and is a mess, is better than Bond going for revenge but then playing Sanchez against his own people and destroying his organisation from the inside? The action, QOS we have a ton of chase sequences ruined by the shaky cam and a decent finale, vs brilliant stunt work like the plane fishing or the tanker chase?
Seriously, you said the rest of QOS is much better than LTK, what do you think is actually is better? You can have your opinion and everything but I'd like to hear why you have it. Now I'm going to stop arguing with you because we're really derailing this thread.
Let me answer your questions first. They follow the marked money that was introduced in the organisation to Greene. Then, following the mission, he follows him to the tosca in Bregenz. He follows Greene, with the help of Mathis, to Bolivia. There they steal the water to sell it later in high prizes. Greene is trapped and tells Bond everything about Quantum.
Bond loves Tracy but CR and QOS happen before OHMSS, so in the moment that QOS happens the only woman Bond ever loved is Vesper.
As you said we don't get to see the boss of the organisation so, IMHO, we don't really see the main villain in this film. The same way we don't in dr No. However, as I said before Sanchez could have been in any movie in the 80s. Greene and a complex organisation like Quantum could only exist in a Bond film. I don't mean I don't like Sanchez I just mean that I'm more used to see this type of villain in other non-bond films. About the plot I think it's more interesting than LTKs. The water idea is very clever, and it's nowhere as messy as you claim it is.
And about the last question: Bond, Leiter, the story, the stunts (not the cam),...
I think we will never coincide in this one...
1. They haven't done enough with QUANTUM or any specific villain to get into Sanchez' league. Silva may have that potential from what I've seen, but he isn't with QUANTUM. Great point as well by Oiker noting the QUANTUM parallel to SPECTRE at this point. Patience. I'm sure we'll eventually have a head baddie and some more serious endeavors down the line. Thus far it's all about the money and control with QUANTUM, and not about any grand megalomaniac schemes. The answers for QUANTUM and where they go next with it are at least 2 years away.
2. The impression I got was Greene's water plot was something either in a trial stage in Bolivia, and possibly in it's early stages elsewhere when Bond got to it. If he was able to control water in many countries, that was a potential big money maker for the organization. I chuckle when people think the water plot was lame. The results were evident when the Bolivian people abandoned their homes and village when they had none. Try going without it sometime. I think what people are trying to really say is that the scheme wasn't ambitious enough.
That said, I like QOS. But even with the plot holes filled in, to me QOS is simply not a better film than LTK. But they do share a lot in common with OHMSS in that all 3 have been black sheep in the series and underrated by many. OHMSS has been fully rehabbed, more and more appreciate LTK as the years have gone by, and I think QOS will follow a similar path in the future.
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We are in a rebooted storyline, so OHMSS may not and probably will not ever happen to the new Bond.
No, it's the same storyline. The only thing we miss out on are the Vesper references in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, from the novel. Obviously, because Casino Royale came out 40 years after OHMSS. Same character, same timeline, but the movies were made at different times, so there were script restrictions.
CR and QoS come before OHMSS.
I'll always have a sweet spot for LTK, though, as it was the first Bond film I ever saw.
FCWL- No, I think you're wrong about it being the same timeline. My understanding of a reboot is that we're supposed to pretend that all the movies previous to the reboot film simply never happened (different than a prequel). So in this timeline the only two Bond adventures are CR and QoS. So Bond has never married, and Felix still has both arms and both legs. In theory Eon could remake both OHMSS and LALD, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen (who wants to see Bond's wife killed again and Felix lose his limbs again)?
Next round: Live and Let Die vs. Quantum of Solace
imo, LALD is a proper classic. QOS is just, meh.
Is it just me or are these choices getting tougher?