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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • slyfoxslyfox
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    In fact I can't stand The Spy Who Loved Me, box ticking at it's worst.

    I thought I was alone...
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    slyfox wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In fact I can't stand The Spy Who Loved Me, box ticking at it's worst.

    I thought I was alone...

    @Shark is also with us on this one, so there are a few that don't like it. Now Moonraker is really good and so much better as well. In Spy even the music sucked.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited January 2012 Posts: 401
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Now Moonraker is really good and so much better as well.
    You must be joking. I might not be a big fan of TSWLM, but Moonraker was just awful.
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In Spy even the music sucked.
    "Bond 77" wasn't that bad.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Now Moonraker is really good and so much better as well.
    You must be joking.

    No. I prefer Moonraker to The Spy Who Loved Me.
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    In Spy even the music sucked.
    "Bond 77" wasn't that bad.

    It's alright. I'll give it a pass.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    Posts: 401
    Samuel001 wrote:
    No. I prefer Moonraker to The Spy Who Loved Me.
    What are your reasons? Just wondering.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    No. I prefer Moonraker to The Spy Who Loved Me.
    What are your reasons? Just wondering.

    Better use of locations, great special effects, better Bond girl, better villain, better score, better performance by Moore and the fact that The Spy Who Loved Me is a near remake of You Only Live Twice.

    There is no doubt more but I'm doing this from memory and haven't watched any of the Bond films in years. When I watch the series again later this year, I'll get back to you.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited January 2012 Posts: 401
    Samuel001 wrote:
    the fact that The Spy Who Loved Me is a near remake of You Only Live Twice.
    I fully agree. Within the first 5 minutes of the film, TSWLM basically reveals itself to be just that, a remake. It just replaced spacecrafts with submarines. Although I enjoyed it more than YOLT to be honest.

  • slyfoxslyfox
    edited January 2012 Posts: 940
    Yes. And I also prefer MR because:
    -The score so much better.
    - Bach is completely wooden in TSWLM. Naomi was under-used.
    - I adore Corrine and Manuela in MR.
    - I find TSWLM rather slow and drab. Submarine scenes in Bond don't do it for me either. MR is more entertaining and the pace is great. It's pure popcorn fun!
    - I find Strongberg extremely dull. Drax is the more interesting of the two.
    - Both have a great stunt in the PTS (though I prefer the skydive - there's more to enjoy).
    - Locations are varied and exciting in both but I prefer MR's use of them.
    - Sets are magnificent in both but MR's slightly more memorable.

    I know Moore regards TSWLM as his favourite, but I think he was terrific in MR. I admit that Jaws was poor (and pointless in MR) and the film is not perfect by any means, but I would still say it probably makes it into my top 10, TSWLM is no where near.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    the fact that The Spy Who Loved Me is a near remake of You Only Live Twice.
    I fully agree. Within the first 5 minutes of the film, TSWLM basically reveals itself to be just that. It just replaced spacecrafts with submarines.

    On YouTube there is a video (I believe called "The Spy Who Lived Twice") which shows the many shot for shot sequences in both films that are near identical. From Bond or the girl in bed at the start to Bond jumping on a monorail.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Goldfinger
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    The two most over rated films of the franchise.

    GF, despite the shotty editing is less over rated.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    I remember this having it's own thread. They're both really close IMO but I'll give the slight edge to TSWLM.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    GF. It set the gold standard for the franchise, and most of the films that followed (with the possible exceptions of OHMSS, LTK, and CR) are unthinkable without it.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Based on previous comments, I think it must be said. I really don't like Moonraker, and couldn't ever imagine putting it above a classic like TSWLM. Whether or not TSWLM is heavily influenced by YOLT is beside the point. TSWLM is YOLT done right, and adds MUCH more color and excitement compared to the dull YOLT. Also, when compared to TSWLM's fast-paced action plot, MR sits still as a complete dud. Quite frankly, here's my look on that: Which is easier to sit througn and enjoy? TSWLM, or MR: It's definitely TSWLM.

    In regards to the current topic, the same is true. GF is extremely slow and dull, and takes double the time to watch it start to finish as a result. TSWLM is a thrill ride start to finish, and it's over before you know it, which is always the mark of a great Bond movie!
  • Arsenal02071Arsenal02071
    Posts: 162
    TSWLM is my 5th favourite Bond after quickly ranking them in my head, and GF is probably my 7th or 8th. Moonraker is about 20th for me, it's meant to be James Bond but its Roger Moore in Star Wars instead. In my view, TSWLM is the funnest and most action packed Bond, it keeps going and going. Its great fun.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I too think Goldfinger has the edge and is the clear winner though as a whole both aren't that great. In fact I can't stand The Spy Who Loved Me, box ticking at it's worst.

    Goldfinger

    Like Samuel001 I was never that fond of TSWLM either. Too campy and overboard with the gadgets. Most fans consider it to be Moore's best but I always felt OP was his best Bond film.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,310
    The Spy Who Loved Me is a fine Bond film, but my God, GOLDFINGER is my choice. A no brainer here. Goldfinger gets an ungodly amount of slack here on these forums, and I just don't understand why. To me, Goldfinger is one of the best films ever made. (I'm sure that'll be quite controversial around here!!!!)

    2. Goldfinger (1964) - 10/10
    3. From Russia With Love (1963) - 9.5/10
    4. Dr. No (1962) - 9/10
    5. Thunderball (1965) - 8.5/10
    6. The Living Daylights (1987) - 8.5/10
    7. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service (1969) - 8.5/10
    8. GoldenEye (1995) - 8/10
    9. You Only Live Twice (1967) - 7.5/10
    10. License to Kill (1989) - 7.5/10
    11. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) - 7/10
    12. Octopussy (1983) - 7/10
    13. For Your Eyes Only (1981) - 7/10
    14. Live and Let Die (1973) - 7/10
    15. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) - 7/10
  • Arsenal02071Arsenal02071
    Posts: 162
    @SJK91 I am curious, what is number 1 on that list.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,310
    Arsenal02071 wrote:
    @SJK91 I am curious, what is number 1 on that list.
    Casino Royale, believe it or not. I have a great deal of history with that film and have loved it ever since I saw it in theaters 6 years ago. It's a bit of nostalgia I suppose, but I find that film incredible. I am admittedly thinking of giving it a re-watch however...I haven't seen it in awhile now, and I'm wondering if I'm going to enjoy it as much as I used to!
  • Arsenal02071Arsenal02071
    Posts: 162
    Yes its my 4th or 5th favourite.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited January 2012 Posts: 3,262
    The 2 most famous Bond actors' 3rd films battle against each other. Both are considered highly by the general public.

    Despite its somewhat falling out of favor recently, GF gets my vote. Connery and Barry are the deciding factors here for me.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    Two of the gilt edged Bonds.

    GF is probably the better film but I adore Spy more. It just has that Fleming sweep that drives you along and that Liparus supertanker interior is just stunning.

    Both are two highlights of the series IMO.
  • AussieBondAussieBond
    Posts: 185
    Goldfinger
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    TSWLM easily for me, always been a bit disapointed by Goldfinger.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    TSWLM for me....GF is very over-rated and Bond doesnt do much in the whole film if you look at it properly,not even stopping the nerve gas that would have killed all the US soldiers (and he didnt look too concerned about it either).
    Gert Frobe is the best thing about GF along with the golf match.
  • RogueThunderballRogueThunderball
    Posts: 306
    TSWLM!
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    barryt007 wrote:
    TSWLM for me....GF is very over-rated and Bond doesnt do much in the whole film if you look at it properly,not even stopping the nerve gas that would have killed all the US soldiers (and he didnt look too concerned about it either).
    Gert Frobe is the best thing about GF along with the golf match.

    Agreed. GF is very overrated and you're right, this is one of Bond's most inactive movies. which slows the overall pace down to a screeching halt.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    GF: 12 votes
    TSWLM: 10 votes

    We've got one more day on this round, keep voting!
  • Arsenal02071Arsenal02071
    Posts: 162
    TSWLM was the movie that I watched over and over as a kid.Its maybe my thrid or fourth favourite. Always will have a soft spot for both films but to be perfectly honest, I would rather watch TSWLM.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Arsenal02071 wrote:
    TSWLM was the movie that I watched over and over as a kid.Its maybe my thrid or fourth favourite. Always will have a soft spot for both films but to be perfectly honest, I would rather watch TSWLM.

    Me too. GF is really boring, and can't hold my interest for very long. Also, I despise Pussy Galore and the music. No, I don't dislike John Barry or anything, but the score is annoying! Also, Goldfinger himself can be quite cheesy at times. And another thing, GF has possibly the most boring second half of any Bond movie to date.
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