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Better Bond Villains - GE (Trevelyan, Ourumov & Onatopp far stronger)
Better Soundtrack - TLD
Better Bond girls - the chemistry between Bond and the leading lady is superb in both.
Both girls suffer from poor wardrobes in their films. They could have looked far sexier in my opinion. I personally prefer Natalya to Kara but both are great alongside Bond.
Over all - I rate Dalton so much more than Brosnan as Bond. Despite GE being Brosnan's best for me, I could see Dalton in GE but couldn't imagine Brosnan in TLD.
Both superb Bond flicks, but TLD wins my vote convincingly.
This one is easy for me: TLD... by far!
Yeah I'll admit GE wasn't the funnest Bond film to look at. Honestly niether is TLD but I think it easily had better visuals. The Vienna scenes are pretty nice.
Sorry Dalts!
Moore also did this with Tee Hee in LALD.
To me GE had a bit more of a slickness direction-wise that TLD lacked.
A good example is when Xenia starts machine-gunning the workers in Serveneya. It cuts from Xenia's gun to close ups of Natalyas terrified face and her broken coffee cup. I find that quite effective. Campbell would develop his style with CR.
Good scene!
The plot isnt as interesting in GE. its another orbiting death spewing satellite. We'd have another of these in the Brosnan era.
We'd also had another one of these 24 years before in DAF.
Well not exactly, the GoldenEye satellite was used only for electronic purposes to which Trevelyan and the Janus organization could effectively sabotage the Bank of England and rob it of its vast supply of money. The satellite wasn't used for mass destruction and blackmail, just electronic sabotage and robbery really. I think GE's plot is very fascinating, especially with the heated tension between Alec Trevelyan and 007, as well as between Natalya and Boris. Also, you've got the Russians being betrayed by their own man, General Ourumov. Even further, there's Zukovksy's hatred of Bond and how the two of them put aside their feud and become allies. There's really more to get involved in with GoldenEye than there is in The Living Daylights.
Wasnt it used to nick all the money from the Bank of England then destroy London to destroy the traces?
Thats another death spewing satellite. Been there. Done that.
I think Trevelyan's plan was to rob the Bank of England through the GoldenEye satellite and then wipe out all of London's electronic stuff as to erase any record of the theft, but not completely destroy the city, just cripple their economy. However, you may be right, I could have missed something there.
Compliments..compliments...all I get is sweet nothings...
I didn't mean to offend you, it's just that 00Beast really likes to defend Brosnan against all tides... and judging from experience some opinions on Bond are hard to defend.
Oh you didn't offend me. I like everybody here and certainly wish you no ill will.
And I am open to persuasion on Brosnan. There are elements of his films I like....
But the worship at the shrine of Goldeneye gets on my nerves. Its like a sacred cow to some people.
To me the way its executed was exciting - mainly because I cared about the character involved in it all. A satalite used as a weapon actually done in a GOOD way unlike DAD. Plus, I can't remember all that many previous Bond films involving deadly satellites. There was the dull DAF (which was ripped off in DAD) and I think that was about it. DN, MR and YOLT were space crafts not satelites.
Seeing as GE was the first Bond film I saw I didn't view it "another orbiting death spewing satellite" anyway :P :P
Besides you love YOLT, TSWLM and MR - films that have EXACTLY the same stories. At least GE has Bond going up against a former ally - something that hadn't been done before.
NOTE: I like those 3 movies too ;)
But the worship at the shrine of Goldeneye gets on my nerves. Its like a sacred cow to some people.
I'm not saying its a sacred cow, just that anyone who dares to criticise it shall be dropped from an antenna and then crushed as it explodes and the wreckage falls to the ground ;)
Only joking but, seriously, for a lot of people (including me) that film has a very personal connection. I'm not saying it's immune to criticism - it isn't - but still it's like the Goldfinger for kids growing up in the 90s. That's why it's often viewed as a "sacred cow".
it has it all- great villians, great story, great bond and two sexy bond girls
The Living Daylights has a decent bond and good music but everything else was poor especially the villian who hugs and kisses everyone...still more badass than the villian in QOS though
No offense @DaltonCraig007 but isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. You're extramly anti-Craig and will defend the likes of TMWTGG, MR, and DAF with all your energy. So much so sometimes Im not sure if your being serious.
List of rating.
TLD - 5
GE - 17
I was actually introduced to the world of 007 through Nightfire, but GoldenEye was one of the earliest I saw, and it did propel me further into Bond's world, to which I kindly put it at #1 for that reason and so many others that I've already stated in this thread and many others.
By my count, The Living Daylights wins, and it was extremely close, with TLD at 15 and GE at 13. Such a shame! Oh well, congratulations to TLD and the '80s Bonds!
All right, now I believe we're ready for the next match-up, which is:
Moonraker vs. For Your Eyes Only
It's fantasy Bond against real Bond! Who will win?! I have a feeling that the gloves are about to come off!
Not trying to start and argument or criticize, but I'd much rather have Melina Havelock with her deadly crossbow and determination than Holly Goodhead, who annoys the crud out of me! She's just so snappy and quarrelsome, and then when she actually lightens up to Bond, the terrible acting in Lois Chiles comes out! As for the main villain, I'd take Kristatos over Drax actually, I think Kristatos was a pretty effective main villain in FYEO, and he actually kept me awake unlike "bore me to death" Drax!
A Sir Rog bond film turned up to 11 in MR is just too indulgent a pleasure to resist.
I'm ashamed of myself.