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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    GF
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    Both top five in my book.

    But CR just has more meat on the bone.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Both are great but as someone who enjoys cheesey Bond GF wins for me :D Its more iconic, has a better theme song, isn't quite as pretentious, has some fantastic characters and Connery is cooler than Craig (there I said it!).

    I'll agree that GF is a bit "oafish" and slightly overrated but I think he's more memorable than LeChiffe. Plus, when was the last time you saw Bond and the baddie play golf. Bond plays cards all the time ;)

    I suppose they are quite different in style. GF was never a particularly "deep" novel anyway.
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    Definitley Goldfinger, despite it's flaws it's a classic Bond film with Connery at the peak of his time in the role.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    GF.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Unless Im mistaken it's 8-6 for CR. CR started out dominating but GF has been making a comeback.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    If I'm honest I'm not sure I can see Royale being as popular 50 years down the road. I could be VERY wrong though.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Unless Im mistaken it's 8-6 for CR. CR started out dominating but GF has been making a comeback.
    I'd be happy to vote twice!
    :P
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Casino Royale
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I think these to are very evenly matched. I think I'd pick Goldfinger going by memory. I'm not certain on that though.

    Someone needs to do a GF/CR double bill!!! ;)

    No, I think I need to watch them all and will do later in the year. I've forgotten why I thought what I did, about many of the films.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Goldfinger hands down!
    I love Casino Royale and it will always be in my top five but GF is in my top two. It's the first Bond film I saw from start to finish and just has a good feel to it. Plus it has more classic scenes, like when Bond is tied down to the table with the laser about to cut him in half, when Bond and GF are playing a game of golf, and when Bond meets Pussy for the first time.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    GF

    These two films feel like polar opposites to me.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Unless Im mistaken it's 8-6 for CR. CR started out dominating but GF has been making a comeback.

    Thanks! It's a very tedious task trying to count up the votes, so I'm glad someone did the job for me!

    Currently, the score is 9-8, with Casino Royale in the lead by one vote! I knew this would be a good round!
    JBFan626 wrote:
    GF

    These two films feel like polar opposites to me.

    That was my thinking when I was trying to decide which two to pick. Also, GF is considered a classic, and even in only 5 years, CR is starting to go down that road as well, so we'd get a similiar feel. I figured that we'd bring in the "Fantasy Bond" fans and the "Fleming Bond" fans with this round.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    00Beast wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Unless Im mistaken it's 8-6 for CR. CR started out dominating but GF has been making a comeback.

    Thanks! It's a very tedious task trying to count up the votes, so I'm glad someone did the job for me!

    Currently, the score is 9-8, with Casino Royale in the lead by one vote! I knew this would be a good round!
    JBFan626 wrote:
    GF

    These two films feel like polar opposites to me.

    That was my thinking when I was trying to decide which two to pick. Also, GF is considered a classic, and even in only 5 years, CR is starting to go down that road as well, so we'd get a similiar feel. I figured that we'd bring in the "Fantasy Bond" fans and the "Fleming Bond" fans with this round.

    GF the film isn't TOO different to GF the book. True its more fantastical and some of the plot details are different but quite a lot is fairly similar

    -Bond being asked to investigate Goldfinger on suspicion of cheating at cards in Miami
    -Bond meeting Jill Masterson
    -The presence of Oddjob, Goldfinger and Pussy Galore
    -Bond playing golf with GF
    -Bond being trapped by GF and almost being killed only to be spared at the last minute (its a saw rather than a laser).
    -Tilly being killed by Oddjob's bowler hat (at the end rather than half way through)
    -The elimination of a gangster who doesn't want to be in on GF's scheme
    -The climax is on board an aeroplane
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @BAIN123: I've only read the ending before, where they are on Goldfinger's plane, and I must say, the directors butchered that fight between Bond and Goldfinger! Now yes, some things had to be changed from that to keep the Fort Knox climax in, like Oddjob getting sucked out of the plane window, but since the movie used the plane climax to some degree, why not use that fight from the novel and make it a duel to the death, where Bond barely comes out alive after choking Auric to death? That would have been much better than the cheesy death where he gets sucked out the window.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited January 2012 Posts: 401
    Goldfinger by far. Casino Royale is an abomination, and hopefully will be forgotten in a decade or so. Goldfinger is a better adaptation of the book as well. I don't remember Bond running through a construction site and breaking into an embassy, with only a slap on the wrist as a punishment in the Casino Royale novel. It's not really that "gritty" as everyone says, is it? Sounds like absolute fantasy to me. Also, 0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, it has the "Best Bond theme"? Are you kidding me? How is the OHMSS theme a lesser theme to Chris Cornell's whiny voice screaming incredibly bland lyrics?
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Goldfinger by far. Casino Royale is an abomination, and hopefully will be forgotten in a decade or so.

    An abomination? That's quite a bit of anger for a man of peace, Professor Doctor Metz.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    00Beast wrote:
    @BAIN123: I've only read the ending before, where they are on Goldfinger's plane, and I must say, the directors butchered that fight between Bond and Goldfinger! Now yes, some things had to be changed from that to keep the Fort Knox climax in, like Oddjob getting sucked out of the plane window, but since the movie used the plane climax to some degree, why not use that fight from the novel and make it a duel to the death, where Bond barely comes out alive after choking Auric to death? That would have been much better than the cheesy death where he gets sucked out the window.

    The death of GF in the book is more brutal thats for sure. Fleming said it was the first time Bond "went beserk". I suppose they wanted to tame it down a bit. I don't really have an issue with GF's death, its still quite a good sequence (naff special effects aside).
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    @BAIN123: I've only read the ending before, where they are on Goldfinger's plane, and I must say, the directors butchered that fight between Bond and Goldfinger! Now yes, some things had to be changed from that to keep the Fort Knox climax in, like Oddjob getting sucked out of the plane window, but since the movie used the plane climax to some degree, why not use that fight from the novel and make it a duel to the death, where Bond barely comes out alive after choking Auric to death? That would have been much better than the cheesy death where he gets sucked out the window.

    The death of GF in the book is more brutal thats for sure. Fleming said it was the first time Bond "went beserk". I suppose they wanted to tame it down a bit. I don't really have an issue with GF's death, its still quite a good sequence (naff special effects aside).

    Eh, I really hate the ending. It's too rushed, which makes no senese considering they had PLENTY of time to draw it out, given the 1 hour 50 minutes run time. Also, the fight between James and Auric is WAY to short. You get this build-up throughout the movie as if it'll come down to a kind of fight like 006 vs. 007 in GE, and then it turns out too short and very dull.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I do think its quite funny how Bond is frantically trying to fly the plane bending over the co-pilot chair one minute then the next the dot shows he's ejected. Also, would a seat have a tracker on it?
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Plus I don't think GF has aged as gracefully as some of the other 60s Bond films such as FRWL or OHMSS. I honestly don't think it deserves it's reputation.

    YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT!! Despite what GF meant to the series/genre and containing all the elements from beautiful women, eglomanical villian, good henchman, Sean in his heyday and charm it simply has not "aged" well. It looks very very "dated".

    CR like FRWL and OHMSS will age very gracefully. so my vote goes to

    Casino Royale

  • bondbat007bondbat007
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    GF is a killer film and I love it. But if you ask me which film I would rather watch again for the 100th time, it would be CR, every time.

    Casino Royale
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Plus I don't think GF has aged as gracefully as some of the other 60s Bond films such as FRWL or OHMSS. I honestly don't think it deserves it's reputation.

    YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT!! Despite what GF meant to the series/genre and containing all the elements from beautiful women, eglomanical villian, good henchman, Sean in his heyday and charm it simply has not "aged" well. It looks very very "dated".

    CR like FRWL and OHMSS will age very gracefully. so my vote goes to

    Casino Royale

    Most of Fleming's books are pretty dated too but they are still "classics" when it comes to 007.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Plus I don't think GF has aged as gracefully as some of the other 60s Bond films such as FRWL or OHMSS. I honestly don't think it deserves it's reputation.

    YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT!! Despite what GF meant to the series/genre and containing all the elements from beautiful women, eglomanical villian, good henchman, Sean in his heyday and charm it simply has not "aged" well. It looks very very "dated".

    CR like FRWL and OHMSS will age very gracefully. so my vote goes to

    Casino Royale

    Most of Fleming's books are pretty dated too but they are still "classics" when it comes to 007.

    Well, typically, "classic" means "old".
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,778
    Just becasue GF was the first to utlize the full formula doesn't neccesarily mean that it did it best. Personally I enjoyed the likes of OHMSS, TSWLM, FYEO, CR, etc more. I still liked GF but it lacks any edge that DN and FRWL had and Bond spends alot of time kinda just sitting around.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    GF ... lacks any edge that DN and FRWL had and Bond spends alot of time kinda just sitting around.

    This fits GF perfectly.
  • SJK91SJK91
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    I'm going to give it to Casino Royale. CR and GF are 1 and 2 on my list respectively...but I think Casino Royale just edges Goldfinger out....by that much.
  • 00130013
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    For me it's very difficult. Goldfinger is the first one I saw but Casino Royale is the one that made me a Bond fan. CR is 2 in my ranking and GF my 4. While I think GF contains more historical salience, CR is better made in some ways. With some improvements GF could have been much better, with Terence Young perhaps.
    Conclusion: Casino Royale.
  • AussieBondAussieBond
    Posts: 185
    CR
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Final Score: Casino Royale with 14 votes, and Goldfinger with 9 votes

    Now on to the next round! It'll be a showdown between Connery and Moore, as we go to the space Bonds!

    You Only Live Twice vs. Moonraker
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