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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    The 1964 one's back in the lead:

    GF-19
    FYEO-18
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    00Beast wrote:
    For Your Eyes Only

    It trumps Goldfinger in every respect, except for maybe the villains. Everything else though, like soundtrack, locations, Bond, action, and pacing all blow GF out of the water.

    Your mad. ;)

    Anyway, For Your Eyes Only
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    royale65 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    For Your Eyes Only

    It trumps Goldfinger in every respect, except for maybe the villains. Everything else though, like soundtrack, locations, Bond, action, and pacing all blow GF out of the water.

    Your mad. ;)

    Anyway, For Your Eyes Only


    I agree whole-heartedly: Barry beats Conti anyday. But to Conti's credit, he does produce a rollicking soundtrack full of excitement. It's dated for sure, but it's a bit campy in that way and makes the scense really exciting.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    JBFan626 wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    For Your Eyes Only

    It trumps Goldfinger in every respect, except for maybe the villains. Everything else though, like soundtrack, locations, Bond, action, and pacing all blow GF out of the water.

    Your mad. ;)

    Anyway, For Your Eyes Only


    I agree whole-heartedly: Barry beats Conti anyday. But to Conti's credit, he does produce a rollicking soundtrack full of excitement. It's dated for sure, but it's a bit campy in that way and makes the scense really exciting.

    Goldfingers score was better but I don't like the theme song, she's just screaming Goldfinger, barely even singing. DAF and MR were better songs from Bassey.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    She's definitely singing, in fact she's belting it out. It's more of a jazz style of vocals. May not be for everyone.
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    Goldfinger, no question. FYEO is a good movie, but it is not a great Bond movie like Goldfinger is. If you ask someone on the street to name as many Bond movies as possible, I guarantee they'll list Goldfinger quickly, if not first, and then they'll struggle to list FYEO, if they can remember it at all. Goldfinger is as classic Bond as it gets, while FYEO feels like it could be any old movie with a spy in it. This is because with FYEO thay had to reign in the over-the-top direction that the franchise was going in with TSWLM and Moonraker, and as a result it misses out on the funner Bond plot elements. Goldfinger on the other hand has a very fun, larger than life plot, dispight it's simplicity. Also, the ace in the hole is that this comparison is putting Sean up against Rog, and I'm sorry but for me that's a no brainer. With the exception of DAF, every Sean film is better than any Roger film that you put it up against. Goldfinger is perhaps the best Bond movie ever made, while FYEO is just another Roger film, which though a very good film I agree, cannot compare at all the the majesty of Goldfinger.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    If it's not been done before, how about OP vs FYEO for the next round?
  • 00Beast00Beast
    edited May 2012 Posts: 4,762
    Well, in a stunningly close match, Goldfinger has pulled the victory by one vote, 20-19 over For Your Eyes Only. Sorry for the delay, I hope to make this match more swift-moving.


    thelivingroyale wrote:
    If it's not been done before, how about OP vs FYEO for the next round?

    Yes, it has already been done. Sorry about that. For your interest, I'm pretty sure Octopussy won that round, though it was a while back, I can't remember completely.

    Okay, here's the next showdown:

    The Living Daylights vs. The World is not Enough
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Well, this should be an arse kicking.

    I vote for TLD because Ms Milovy was far more believable in her fictional occupation than Ms Jones could ever dream to be.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    bah, Goldfinger beat For Your Eyes Only ?! :-L

    next up is Dalton's debut against Brosnan third outing and after some careful consideration I went with Daylights, but this wasn't easy..

    Brosnan's best ever against Dalton's better of the two he did, it was a close call but Daylights gets the vote, if I had a choice anytime I was able to watch one of the two, that would be it
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    bah, Goldfinger beat For Your Eyes Only ?! :-L

    next up is Dalton's debut against Brosnan third outing and after some careful consideration I went with Daylights, but this wasn't easy..

    Brosnan's best ever against Dalton's better of the two he did, it was a close call but Daylights gets the vote, if I had a choice anytime I was able to watch one of the two, that would be it

    Best ever? I wasn't aware that you preferred TWINE to the legendary classic that is GoldenEye! Why do you like it better than GE? Just asking, I'm curious.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I've always had The World Is Not Enough as more favorable than Goldeneye, it's merely Brosnan at his best, doing his best work, the closest to the Fleming creation there on occasion, although that was evident in Goldeneye too, but to a more benign degree

    Add to that, the best and longest pre credits sequence of the series, better than Goldeneye, and that takes some doing, Garbage put together a damn fine song, it has Robert Carlyle in it, and some fine action sequences, Brosnan is the very epitome of Bond when I watch it sometimes, he does such a fine job
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    I would rather watch any Brosnan film over any Dalton film, including Die Another Day, so it's The World is Not Enough for me...
  • VolanteVolante
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    TLD
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    TLD, by far.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    sirseanisbond wrote:
    I would rather watch any Brosnan film over any Dalton film, including Die Another Day, so it's The World is Not Enough for me...

    all you for real ?

    What I mean is, Die Another Day, you would rather watch that, than any of Tim's two outings - what does that say for Dalton?

    Oh dear

    :((
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    I would rather watch any Brosnan film over any Dalton film, including Die Another Day, so it's The World is Not Enough for me...

    all you for real ?

    What I mean is, Die Another Day, you would rather watch that, than any of Tim's two outings - what does that say for Dalton?

    Oh dear

    :((

    It says that he's a pretty terrible Bond. Sure his films were good, but I never felt like they were Bond movies because he never convinced me he was Bond. It's sort of similar to how I view Craig, because while I really love his movies, Daniel has never really quite fit as Bond, starting with his blond hair and ending with how neither CR or QOS saw Bond fully formed as the charector we see in the other films. That said, at least Craig has more films to do to make up for that, while Tim only had his two films, and they never felt like Bond films to me. Die Another Day may be terribly cliche and poorly written but if you watch DAD after DAF, or MR, it doesn't feel that silly, and it will always feel like a Bond movie, no matter how you slice it. Dalton is overrated! Brozzer at his worst is still more entertaining than Tim at his best, that's it!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I read the first bit but stopped at 'pretty terrible Bond' OK, I'll continue..

    and then again I read ... Die Another Day and Moonraker... not too silly ?

    Oh I see what you mean now, but Dalton is my favorite Bond of the six and I don't like to sometimes hear a bad word against the man, but it's all about opinions

    But Brosnan at his worst, better than Dalton at his best ? - that's about as far away as Neptune for me, I had to make sure I read correctly in actual fact - but Yes, fair enough, I can appreciate why some may see Dalton as banal or lifeless, but still a damn Fine Bond, best ever even, dark, serious etc, just how Bond should be

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    So you watch DAF and MR, then realize DAD isn't that silly. You know that isn't a point in its favor, right. That's like watching horrible films in a series to appreciate the not as gut wrenching films. It is watching crap just to make other crap seem polished, and I don't see the logic in that. And once we define Brosnan's worst we can compare his efforts to Tim's best, which far exceeds anything Brosnan could have done from acting talent to being a believable on screen, things he severely lacked.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TWINE for me, but TLD is still an excellent film.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    TLD. It's just the better written, better made film.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    sirseanisbond wrote:
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    It says that he's a pretty terrible Bond. Sure his films were good, but I never felt like they were Bond movies because he never convinced me he was Bond. It's sort of similar to how I view Craig, because while I really love his movies, Daniel has never really quite fit as Bond, starting with his blond hair and ending with how neither CR or QOS saw Bond fully formed as the charector we see in the other films. That said, at least Craig has more films to do to make up for that, while Tim only had his two films, and they never felt like Bond films to me. Die Another Day may be terribly cliche and poorly written but if you watch DAD after DAF, or MR, it doesn't feel that silly, and it will always feel like a Bond movie, no matter how you slice it. Dalton is overrated! Brozzer at his worst is still more entertaining than Tim at his best, that's it!

    Its getting more and more evident on this site that some people will chose a movie -even if it is a steaming pile of crap - over another because it is a "Bond movie". No matter if the other film has a better story, Bond, action, music, momentum. They prefer their Q scenes and vodka martinis. Its fandom at its most conservative.

    Back on topic..

    TLD for a trillion reasons. Its my number two and is one of the best Bond films ever made. Just as Bond was looking very tired in 1985 this film came along and it was like a bucket of cold water.

    TWINE? You might as well turn it off after the Thames chase. Its downhill from there.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    A bit closer for me than I realized - but TLD wins, even though I like Brosnan a lot as Bond.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    actonsteve wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    [
    It says that he's a pretty terrible Bond. Sure his films were good, but I never felt like they were Bond movies because he never convinced me he was Bond. It's sort of similar to how I view Craig, because while I really love his movies, Daniel has never really quite fit as Bond, starting with his blond hair and ending with how neither CR or QOS saw Bond fully formed as the charector we see in the other films. That said, at least Craig has more films to do to make up for that, while Tim only had his two films, and they never felt like Bond films to me. Die Another Day may be terribly cliche and poorly written but if you watch DAD after DAF, or MR, it doesn't feel that silly, and it will always feel like a Bond movie, no matter how you slice it. Dalton is overrated! Brozzer at his worst is still more entertaining than Tim at his best, that's it!

    Its getting more and more evident on this site that some people will chose a movie -even if it is a steaming pile of crap - over another because it is a "Bond movie". No matter if the other film has a better story, Bond, action, music, momentum. They prefer their Q scenes and vodka martinis. Its fandom at its most conservative.

    Back on topic..

    TLD for a trillion reasons. Its my number two and is one of the best Bond films ever made. Just as Bond was looking very tired in 1985 this film came along and it was like a bucket of cold water.

    TWINE? You might as well turn it off after the Thames chase. Its downhill from there.

    And here I thought this forum was for all Bond fans, all kinds. Opinions welcome and respect for others opiions that just differ from yours, and all that. Silly me.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited May 2012 Posts: 28,694
    On this forum I am getting just as sick of people firing off at other people's opinions as I am about people firing off about the people firing off at other people's opinions. :-w
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    4EverBonded wrote:
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    And here I thought this forum was for all Bond fans, all kinds. Opinions welcome and respect for others opiions that just differ from yours, and all that. Silly me.

    Actually reading that back, that does come across abit snotty. So apologies.

    I still think its a relevant point what some fans want and others don't.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    There are good things in TWINE though and I don't think it's quite as bad as some people say.

    Other than the boat chase I enjoy the Scottish castle setting (complete with the Bernard Lee pic in the background), the skiing shots with the Barry-esque music, some of the casino stuff (namely when Brozza is smirking his way through the scene and when he pins that goon to the bar), Robbie Coltrane, laughing at Denese Richards and of course Sophie marceau (turning it off after the boat chase means we don't get to see her).

    Can I suggest (if it hasnt been done already) TLD vs CR for a future round).
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    I would rather watch any Brosnan film over any Dalton film, including Die Another Day, so it's The World is Not Enough for me...

    all you for real ?

    What I mean is, Die Another Day, you would rather watch that, than any of Tim's two outings - what does that say for Dalton?

    Oh dear

    :((

    It says that he's a pretty terrible Bond. Sure his films were good, but I never felt like they were Bond movies because he never convinced me he was Bond. It's sort of similar to how I view Craig, because while I really love his movies, Daniel has never really quite fit as Bond, starting with his blond hair and ending with how neither CR or QOS saw Bond fully formed as the charector we see in the other films. That said, at least Craig has more films to do to make up for that, while Tim only had his two films, and they never felt like Bond films to me. Die Another Day may be terribly cliche and poorly written but if you watch DAD after DAF, or MR, it doesn't feel that silly, and it will always feel like a Bond movie, no matter how you slice it. Dalton is overrated! Brozzer at his worst is still more entertaining than Tim at his best, that's it!

    Dalton, a terrible Bond???

    9rIPL.jpg

    Seriously, how is Dalton terrible. He was way ahead of his time, doing the whole dangerous dark spy thing almost 20 yeas before Craig, his films were dark but still had classic Bond moments with some humour, and he was the most badass guy to play the part. Nobody can beat him.

    Anyway, I like TWINE, Brosnan is good and it's in my top 10. But up against TLD? Dalton's 2 films are in a league of their own. There's only one film that can beat TLD and that's LTK. So I vote for TLD.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    The Living Daylights is superior to TWINE on almost every conceivable level..

    Daylights has the better plot
    Daylights has the better girl
    Daylights has the slightly better villain
    Daylights has the better score
    and..
    Daylights has the better Bond

    I appreciate the effort that TWINE put forth, and what it was trying to accomplish and go for... but ultimately it fell flat.. it was an attempt to add more emotional depth and complexity to not only Bond himself, but the plot - neither worked, because they tried to confine it all to the traditional formula... in the end, we get a mishmash of who knows what - and a film that struggles to have an identity... it's still entertaining to watch... but not often.

    IMO, The Living Daylights is the best Bond film between itself and Casino Royale.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    TLD because it's the better film. Period.
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