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Casino Royale- Vesper Lynd

mikebravo008mikebravo008
edited January 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 20
How do you guys think of her? As a villain or not? Also, I think there was no reason for her to kill herself in the end. She could have just told Bond the truth. I can't think a girl would kill herself for being blackmailed.

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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I think she was the victim of circumstance. She had these feelings for Jusef (her "boyfriend"), yet her feelings for Bond may have been stronger (I'm still not sure if she made the deal on the boat for Bond's life, or Jusef, who it seems had been "threatened"). She was put between a rock and a hard place because of her love for these two men and she needed to do something, so she stole a hundred million bucks and tried to pay off Quantum for somebody's life.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    They were adapting the original novel as much and as faithfully as they could. Although its sad she had to die? It's a refreshing change that it did happen.

    Eva Green played her brilliantly i feel. The witty sarcasm between her and Bond i thought was very well done and i enjoyed the verbal jousting between the two.

  • Commander_SkyfallCommander_Skyfall
    edited January 2012 Posts: 371
    I think it was really important that EON didn't tinker to much with Vespers end, if you're like me and a big fan of the books, so much of what Bond's character eventually becomes is molded by his falling for and ultimate betrayal by Vesper, it would have been awful if they had manufactured some sort of reasonably happy ending, Bond is the way he is in the other books, because of the way Casino Royale ends.

    'The Bitch is Dead' - So pleased they kept that in...
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I was watching a late night French film the other night and it had Eva Green with clothes off and all sorts of naked escapades. I'm not really a fan of the actress but somehow I stayed with this movie for the most part for some reason and just kept watching

    Can't imagine why :|
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited January 2012 Posts: 4,399
    she was a pawn... the threat to her "boyfriend" Yusef, was a ruse to get her to leak information from Mi6 - as we discovered at the end of QOS, when Bond confronts Yusef, with another woman - who worked for Canadian intelligence...

    i don't think of her as a villain - even though she was the one who informed LeChiffre that Bond knew his "tell", and also denies Bond the money to re-enter the poker game (so LeChiffre could win)... sets Bond up to get beaten, so he could give up the password to the money he just won... and ultimately, stealing the money to deliver back to Quantum.... she didn't want to do it - but her ulterior motives forced her hand... and i thought Eva Green played her marvelously.. the scene between her and Bond on the balcony after Bond loses it all to LeChiffre is terrific.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited January 2012 Posts: 7,854
    HASEROT wrote:
    she was a pawn... the threat to her "boyfriend" Yusef, was a ruse to get her to leak information from Mi6 - as we discovered at the end of QOS, when Bond confronts Yusef, with another woman - who worked for Canadian intelligence...

    I find only a small problem with this: Vesper works for the Treasury, and they certainly can't really know anything about MI6 (M's line "I report to the Prime Minister, and even he isn't stupid enough to ask what we do" makes it seem as though the Craig-era MI6 is far more secretive than any other era's; also, Vesper's line "Your bosses must be pretty well connected" makes it seem as though Vesper doesn't already know who Bond works for, and only during their evening meal does she find out that it's MI6), and the woman at the end of QoS actually works for Canadian Intelligence.

    Also, Mitchell was as high up as any mole could be inside MI6 (without actually being M, himself), and if he couldn't leak information, why did they even try?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    alright... i fudged that one - she works for the treasury, not Mi6.... and i know the woman at the end of QOS 'works' for Canadian intelligence i never said she was a former employee - you must've read my words wrong..... i typed 'worked' because we are talking about a reference point in time, in the past, with regards to when i last saw the movie - not about someone who is currently alive and working.

    who knows the real reasons Quantum wanted her for.. it just so happens that the timing was right, and they used a fabricated story about Yusef to get her to go along with their plan in helping LeChiffre win the money back.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    HASEROT wrote:
    alright... i fudged that one - she works for the treasury, not Mi6.... and i know the woman at the end of QOS 'works' for Canadian intelligence i never said she was a former employee - you must've read my words wrong.....

    No, I wrote my words wrong. I meant to say that she's actually an employee of CI, not some other branch of the government (such as Vesper is).
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Although I'm not a massive fan of the film overall (lacks humour and is too long), Eva Green's performance is stand out for me and she is one of the best Bond girls.
  • SharkShark Banned
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    They were adapting the original novel as much and as faithfully as they could.

    Nope. They could have been much for faithful in many respects.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Shark wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    They were adapting the original novel as much and as faithfully as they could.

    Nope. They could have been much for faithful in many respects.

    You have me at a disadvantage as i have not read the book i'm afraid.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Number one, ditch the start and end of the film. The middle is alright and could have been worked into something worthwhile. Add some of the book's action scenes in and you'd have a much better film. And kill Vesper the correct way.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Vesper Lynd was the chance of EON to do something dark and really Fleming and they messed it up and quite poorly too. It is one of the great chances and they missed the mark with her.

    Actually so far in the Craig series no female part was actually that good except perhaps the part of agent Field. But overall it leaves me with the feeling that they cannot for the love of movies write a decent believable female part.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    SaintMark wrote:
    Vesper Lynd was the chance of EON to do something dark and really Fleming and they messed it up and quite poorly too. It is one of the great chances and they missed the mark with her.

    Actually so far in the Craig series no female part was actually that good except perhaps
    the part of agent Field. But overall it leaves me with the feeling that they cannot for the love of movies write a decent believable female part.


    Are you sure you weren't watching the 1967 non-canon version? Because the DC version is pure classic Bond and Ms Green is both beautiful and a wonderful actress. Defo one of the best Bond girls ever. Also her death was the mostg tragic scene in a Bond flick since Tracey's in OHMSS

  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    @LeChiffre I think they're talking about how, in the movie, Vesper got caught then killed herself. In the book, Vesper can't stand her betrayal to the man she loves and can't go on living. She leaves a note to Bond, after she dies, confessing everything. At least that's how I remember the book.
  • SharkShark Banned
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    Because the DC version is pure classic Bond and Ms Green is both beautiful and a wonderful actress.

    Hope you enjoyed the brainwashing.
  • jackdaggerjackdagger
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    Vesper is one of my least favorite Bond girls. I didn't mind her in the book- I even felt sorry for her- but in the movie she just annoyed me. I didn't buy that she genuinely cared for Bond at all, she just did whatever she could to keep up the ruse. She also lacked the book Vesper's sense of humor (I loved her velvet dress comment in the book). Movie Vesper was just dry and sarcastic, and it didn't really work for her.

    (I know a lot of you will disagree, but oh well. :) )
  • 001001
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    I think it was very emotional the way bond tried to save her life and was one of Daniels best scenes (acting wise) in the movie.
  • mikebravo008mikebravo008
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    HASEROT wrote:

    i don't think of her as a villain - even though she was the one who informed LeChiffre that Bond knew his "tell", and also denies Bond the money to re-enter the poker game (so LeChiffre could win)... sets Bond up to get beaten, so he could give up the password to the money he just won... and ultimately, stealing the money to deliver back to Quantum.... she didn't want to do it - but her ulterior motives forced her hand... and i thought Eva Green played her marvelously.. the scene between her and Bond on the balcony after Bond loses it all to LeChiffre is terrific.

    Mathis! Rene Mathis! So why did they clean him in QOS when Lechiffre reveals that Mathis was HIS good friend?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I like Vesper. She's beautiful and alluring but I'm not sure she's as 'classic' as many fans make her out to be:

    1. She doesn't come in until about 40 minutes in (it worked for Dr No but I'm not sure it does here).

    2. Some of the romance is a bit awkward between Bond and Vesper - ESP the whole "little finger" and "armour" exchange. (would Bond REALLY say that?).

    3. Her death, though dramatic, isn't as powerful as it perhaps could have been. By the time she dies we know she's a 'traitor'and therefore we know she's going to die.

    Those sound quite harsh but I still really enjoy CR.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    mikebravo008 wrote:
    Mathis! Rene Mathis! So why did they clean him in QOS when Lechiffre reveals that Mathis was HIS good friend?

    I choose to believe that Le Chiffre was setting Mathis up there, because in QoS, Genma says that they found him innocent, and if he'd had any real connection to Le Chiffre, they probably would have hung him.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    2. Some of the romance is a bit awkward between Bond and Vesper - ESP the whole "little finger" and "armour" exchange. (would Bond REALLY say that?).

    I think he would if he was really in love, which he was. I thought the romance in the movie was done right and Bond's reaction to Vesper's death was something Bond would've done, "The bitch is dead."
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