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Pierce Brosnan's Fisticuffs

Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
edited January 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 41,011
Which Bond film do you think Brosnan stood out in the fisticuffs department ?

I think nothing compares to his fight with Alec Trevelyan at the end of GE. That hand-to-hand fight scene they share is so brutal. It has to be one of my favorite bits of the film.

Which do you think stands out the most?
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  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    edited January 2012 Posts: 2,341
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    All these fisticuffs threads are popping like daisies. Well, for Brosnan, I'll have to think a bit...

    I know that I don't much like the GE fight with Alec. It just felt clumsy and looked like Alec was the better agent than Bond, when Bond should've been on top. I think I'll go with one that sticks in my head. I'll say in TND when Bond gets taken to Carver's men while he's crashing Carver's event. The fight with all the guards is entertaining, especially when we see the man in the surveillance room looks on, while Bond is smashing face between just a pane of glass. Then, Bond throws a guard through the pane, and smashes the other guard with a brick, if memory serves me right. TND also has great fights in Carver's newspaper HQ. The PTS for TND also has brilliant moments of Bond brawling. Then there is the fight near the end with Bond and the stereotypical Russian as I like to call him. So, upon my reflection, I'd firmly say TND.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Brosnan unarming Zukovski's thug at the casino and then stabbing the knife into his tie to pin him to the bar and proceeds to sip his martini in TWINE; a very slick and smooth piece of quick action right there.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    GOLDENEYE without question was his finest fighting sequence. Brough back memories of Rob Shaw and Connery in FRWL. Classic Bond, none of this "boring" Bourne fast editing.
  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    I'd call it a tie between the swordfight in DAD and the final fight with Alec in GE. The swordfight had an incredible sense of escalation and was well directed - it's ludicrous but in the moment you totally buy into it (especially given Graves's ego).

    But the fight with Alec was the one fight where I actually bought Brosnan as being tough and strong. I put that down to the directing as Brosnan gained weight as he went on (one report said he put on fifteen pounds - supposedly all muscle - for TND) yet even at his most manorexic in GE he was more credible in the fight scenes. That really alleviated some of my fears about Brosnan not being tough enough for the role, although he never recaptured that in his subsequent films.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    The DAD swordfight is very cool, but loses points for consideration because they've openly admitted they sped up the film. The brawl with OO6 however, is awesome
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    The fight with 006 at the end of GE.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Already have a thread on this:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/244/pierce-brosnans-fisticuffs#Item_21

    Craig also has one, on page 18 of 'Bond Movies', only Lazenby doesn't.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2013 Posts: 12,837
    the final fight with 006 is one of my faves
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    The DAD swordfight is very cool, but loses points for consideration because they've openly admitted they sped up the film. The brawl with OO6 however, is awesome
    I didn't know that. :O
  • VirageVirage
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    Dose EON against Jaws count?
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Virage wrote:
    Dose EON against Jaws count?

    Haha! Yeah, that's a good one too. "I don't suppose we can just talk about this!"
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
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    GE hands down had the best fight scene. Bond considered Alec Trevelyn as freind. So when they face off at the Antenna Cradle, it was personal & intense. The fight scene was amazing! Pierce Brosnan & Sean Bean did their own stunts for that scene.
  • R_JohnCleeseR_JohnCleese
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    battle on swords from "Die another day"
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    R_JohnCleese wrote:
    battle on swords from "Die another day"

    That scene is great and really underrated.

    @Goldeneye95, I couldn't possibly agree more.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2013 Posts: 12,480
    I'll go with the fight with Alec Trevelyn, it was brutual and really great. Brosnan handled himself well.

    But I also have other moments I love with Brosnan, such as some already mentioned: the sword fight in DAD (sped up a tad or no, it was fun and well done!), several of the fights in TND (especially as 0Brady mentioned, the taking out of the thugs at Carver's event, in the control room), and definitely as Doubleoego mentioned the slick moves at Valentin's casino in TWINE (not much of a fight, just very smooth disarming of his opponent). How I wish Brosnan's Bond in TND had been more evident in his last two films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Bond fighting the thugs in TND's control room was good, too. Doesn't he take the ice tray, pat it against his palm a few times, and then smash it into one of their heads? I love it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Doesn't he take the ice tray, pat it against his palm a few times, and then smash it into one of their heads? I love it.
    It was a solid glass ash tray...*ouch*
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited March 2013 Posts: 12,480
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Bond fighting the thugs in TND's control room was good, too. Doesn't he take the ice tray, pat it against his palm a few times, and then smash it into one of their heads? I love it.

    Yes; I really enjoyed those kinds moments, the oh so slight move, or as in your example taking something in the room that is a little unexpected and just putting an end to the fight with that, or just a brief expression on his face. Brosnan had some good ones as Bond.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    Agree the fight in Carver' s control room is good. Also dealing with the guy with a towel on the boat in GE is cool.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Oh yes, it was, @chrisisall. Even more painful. Another great moment of his is strangling the big guard at the bar in TWINE with his own knife, downing the vodka martini, and then walking off to meet Valentin. So suave.
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Bond fighting the thugs in TND's control room was good, too. Doesn't he take the ice tray, pat it against his palm a few times, and then smash it into one of their heads? I love it.

    I loved that fight scene. Pierce Brosnan had style for his fight scenes.
  • KanangaKananga
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    The end of Goldeneye with 006, thats his best fight scene.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Kananga wrote:
    The end of Goldeneye with 006, thats his best fight scene.

    Couldn't agree more. I always think that my favorite fight scene in the history of Bond is Bond fighting Slate in QoS - so brutal - but the relationship he has with 006 just trumps it.
  • KanangaKananga
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Kananga wrote:
    The end of Goldeneye with 006, thats his best fight scene.

    Couldn't agree more. I always think that my favorite fight scene in the history of Bond is Bond fighting Slate in QoS - so brutal - but the relationship he has with 006 just trumps it.

    GE had the script to 'You know James i was always better' and the classic 'For england James?. 'No for me' - then lets his ex best friend fall to his death.

    Classic.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    I'm gonna join the masses and say the cradle brawl was easily Brosnan's best moment. I always found him very unconvincing in fight scenes.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I'm gonna join the masses and say the cradle brawl was easily Brosnan's best moment. I always found him very unconvincing in fight scenes.

    Well certainly more than Sir Roger's, but then he was always the type to outwit the other guy as he wasn't much of a fighter in real life.

    I know everyone loves the fight versus 006 and it's a great one for the most part, but what hurts it for me is the graphic end of it was too, shall we say, "GQ". He didn't look nearly as beat up as Trevalyan and he should have been just as bloody and bruised as he took an equal share of punishment. Connery in Dr. No, Dalton at the end of LTK, Craig in his first two films, so much more realistic. If you've been in your share of knock down drag outs in real life you know what you and the other guy ought to look like after a war like that and you tend to appreciate the realism you don't exactly get here. If you have, you probably see my point, if you're the Moore type you won't get my point nearly as well. Plus there's that backwards flip on the dish ladder that was very unlikely without him being a world class gymnast, let alone not breaking or hyperextending something while smashing his face up real good and looking like Trevalyan.

    I'll go with the DAD sword fight, it was more realistic than anything he'd done in his tenure and a real bright spot for me in this film. The stunt fighting was better and I loved the old recall to the Hollywood classic swashbucklers and even the newer Banderas Zorro remakes as well as the POTC films which followed.


  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2013 Posts: 11,189
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I'm gonna join the masses and say the cradle brawl was easily Brosnan's best moment. I always found him very unconvincing in fight scenes.

    Well certainly more than Sir Roger's, but then he was always the type to outwit the other guy as he wasn't much of a fighter in real life.

    I know everyone loves the fight versus 006 and it's a great one for the most part, but what hurts it for me is the graphic end of it was too, shall we say, "GQ". He didn't look nearly as beat up as Trevalyan and he should have been just as bloody and bruised as he took an equal share of punishment. Connery in Dr. No, Dalton at the end of LTK, Craig in his first two films, so much more realistic. If you've been in your share of knock down drag outs in real life you know what you and the other guy ought to look like after a war like that and you tend to appreciate the realism you don't exactly get here. If you have, you probably see my point, if you're the Moore type you won't get my point nearly as well. Plus there's that backwards flip on the dish ladder that was very unlikely without him being a world class gymnast, let alone not breaking or hyperextending something while smashing his face up real good and looking like Trevalyan.

    I'll go with the DAD sword fight, it was more realistic than anything he'd done in his tenure and a real bright spot for me in this film. The stunt fighting was better and I loved the old recall to the Hollywood classic swashbucklers and even the newer Banderas Zorro remakes as well as the POTC films which followed.


    TND is the worst offender when it comes to this. Granted Brosnan does look pretty slick but I've noticed that his hair keeps styling itself. One minute its blowing in the wind as he's climbing up a ladder and riding a bike through the streets, next its all neat and perfectly in place.

    That said I'd argue the only time we've REALLY seen Bond bruised and battered on film is CR.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I'm gonna join the masses and say the cradle brawl was easily Brosnan's best moment. I always found him very unconvincing in fight scenes.

    Well certainly more than Sir Roger's, but then he was always the type to outwit the other guy as he wasn't much of a fighter in real life.

    I know everyone loves the fight versus 006 and it's a great one for the most part, but what hurts it for me is the graphic end of it was too, shall we say, "GQ". He didn't look nearly as beat up as Trevalyan and he should have been just as bloody and bruised as he took an equal share of punishment. Connery in Dr. No, Dalton at the end of LTK, Craig in his first two films, so much more realistic. If you've been in your share of knock down drag outs in real life you know what you and the other guy ought to look like after a war like that and you tend to appreciate the realism you don't exactly get here. If you have, you probably see my point, if you're the Moore type you won't get my point nearly as well. Plus there's that backwards flip on the dish ladder that was very unlikely without him being a world class gymnast, let alone not breaking or hyperextending something while smashing his face up real good and looking like Trevalyan.

    I'll go with the DAD sword fight, it was more realistic than anything he'd done in his tenure and a real bright spot for me in this film. The stunt fighting was better and I loved the old recall to the Hollywood classic swashbucklers and even the newer Banderas Zorro remakes as well as the POTC films which followed.


    TND is the worst offender when it comes to this. Granted Brosnan does look pretty slick but I've noticed that his hair keeps styling itself. One minute its blowing in the wind as he's climbing up a ladder and riding a bike through the streets, next its all neat and perfectly in place.

    That said I'd argue the only time we've REALLY seen Bond bruised and battered on film is CR.

    Brosnan was on great fighting form in GE but then on he didn't really sell the physical side of the character. He's very lean in GE and from TND on he became a little more soft in the middle.

    It's a shame because he really was good in the fight scenes in GE especially the final confrontation with 006. I think this sequence has more to do with Martin Campbell however, who on both GE and CR referenced the FRWL train fight for his inspiration for the hand-to-hand combats.

    I do agree that Bond should wear the wounds of his battles after the event. Craig is always scarred up after a fight and I think it really registers his Bond as fallible human-being.

    I do like that Bond gets blooded-up in TND's finale but his look here owed more to fare like 'True Lies' opposed to showing a more human side to 007.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    @Bain- I don't see how you can overlook DN or especially LTK, I really don't.
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