Sherlock (2010) BBC Series Discussion Thread

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  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I'll try to figure out something, but I'm surprised they are showing tennis instead at the moment (and not even live).
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    The Empty Hearse and The Sign of Three are the first two titles with the third to be revealed yet.
    Obviously the first two titles are derived from The Empty House and The Sign of Four, which is very convenient for me, having recently re-visited both. :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    When anyone finds the hidden clues, can you please post them? Thanks!!
    I am curious of course. I could make any wild guess about the next story, but I'd like to wait for some hints.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    edited July 2013 Posts: 4,012
    Still haven't started, once I get something I will post here.

    EDIT: I don't think they are showing it tonight, they just said they had to make some changes due to the tennis match and just started showing EastEnders which was supposed to come before Sherlock.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    If anyone does find out anything and wishes to share, the use of spoiler tags would be appreciated for those that live for the mystery. :)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    It's confirmed, they postponed Scandal to next Friday. I won't be able to get it then.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    It's confirmed, they postponed Scandal to next Friday. I won't be able to get it then.

    How scandalous....
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thanks for the reminder about spoiler tags, 0Brady.
    So it seems I will have to wait over a week until anyone can post the hidden clues.
    And I cannot watch the show myself. Life is so cruel at times.

    (picture of Sherlock fake crying here ...)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    After all that, the tennis took over! Oh well, something to look forward to next week I guess.

    Any idea what the title could be or what story the episode will be based on? It will be three words long with one word in each of the three repeats.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    After all that, the tennis took over! Oh well, something to look forward to next week I guess.

    Any idea what the title could be or what story the episode will be based on? It will be three words long with one word in each of the three repeats.

    Well, I'm just spit-balling, by I will quickly share my theory:

    Moriarty was the big baddie for the first two series, so maybe in three they will introduce the infamous Holmes character Charles Augustus Milverton, a slimy bugger with real potential to be explored in a modern and updated setting. Moffat has alluded to even darker things occurring in the series after Moriarty's influence, and maybe it could be Charles and his plans that he was referring to. While Jim was behind the events that Sherlock was faced with in series one and two, maybe Milverton will be behind some events in series three and, maybe, series four. Charles's has a three part name (his first, middle and last name), which is three parts just like the title episode is supposed to be, and the BBC could spread clues around the shows easily, maybe by showing a Milverton St. sign while Sherlock and John are running about solving cases, or something like that. The title of the episode could even be named just like it is in the classic Doyle story, simply called "Charles Augustus Milverton".

    Like I said, I am just spit-balling, but I would love to see Moffat, Gatiss and co. give their handle on the character. And it would be so cool to see Holmes and Watson
    break the law after committing a little B&E on Milverton's home
    just like in the story.
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    Here's a T-shirt Forbidden Planet will certainly carry (for now, it's on the Diamond Comics website, in the UK section) :

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  • edited July 2013 Posts: 4,622
    As a side note, with The Man From Uncle experiencing a renaissance, it's worth noting that Uncle was not only rooted in Ian Fleming, but also in Holmes.

    From wiki:

    "U.N.C.L.E.'s chief adversary was a vast organization known as THRUSH (originally named WASP in the series pilot movie). The original series never divulged what the acronym THRUSH stood for, but in several of the U.N.C.L.E. novels written by David McDaniel, it appears as the Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity, and is described as having been founded by Col. Sebastian Moran after the death of Professor Moriarty at the Reichenbach Falls in the Sherlock Holmes story, "The Final Problem"."
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    Indeed. Most notably "The DAGGER Affair" gives a complete history of THRUSH, and although the name of the Napoleon of Crime isn't said out loud, there are enough clues to allow us to make the connection.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    @timmer and @Gerard: That's cool! I didn't remember that about THRUSH, having a Holmes connection.

    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I also like the idea of Milverton coming into play soon. He was evil and sneaky and had his web of deceit spread throughout London, indeed all of England. Holmes loathed blackmailers. Milverton is a worthy adversary. Indeed, I think he is the strongest villain left in all of the stories, or perhaps on par with that despicable sadist and murderer, Baron Adelbert Gruner. Okay, I am going to make my own farfetched guess for the next title (just having fun here): Carrie Ann Milverton.
    Oh, I am so sneaky. ;)

    I'd dearly love for Gruner to be part of this series, but finding a 3 word play on the title of that story (The Illustrious Client) isn't easy, either. Maybe: "The Illustrated Client" ... they'd have to put their own unique twist to it, which of course is what they are so great at (Moffit and Gatiss).

    Also, I really want that T-shirt!!
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    A little bit of news I have just got back from this weeks recording of the bbc show top gear
    on which a certain Mr Cumberbatch is the guest it looks to be a great interview I won't say more as I don't wish to spoil it for anyone the show goes out on Sunday evening at 8pm on bbc two enjoy regards coggins .
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I've always enjoyed Top Gear! That sounds great. Wish I could see the current shows; I can't as I live in Asia. Waaaah!
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    A Scandal in Bohemia – Review (Warning: contains spoilers)

    “To Sherlock Holmes she is always THE woman. I have seldom heard him mention her under any other name. In his eyes she eclipses and predominates the whole of her sex.”

    It is with these memorable sentences that one of the most beloved Sherlock Holmes adventures, A Scandal in Bohemia, starts. This is a short story, one can read it in a heart beat, in a single breath, but it is one of the most memorable stories featuring our favourite detective and it presents, undoubtedly, one of the most iconic characters to grace the Holmesian canon: Irene Adler, THE Woman!

    “Grit in a sensitive instrument, or a crack in one of his own high-power lenses, would not be more disturbing than a strong emotion in a nature such as his. An yet there was but one woman to him, and that woman was the late Irene Adler, of dubious and questionable memory.”

    At the start of this story we find Dr. Watson recently married, absorbed by his newly-found conjugal happiness and settled as a civil physician. He has seen little of Holmes lately for those precise reasons. We are also presented with a description of Holmes' unusual habits “...alternating from week to week between cocaine and ambition, the drowsiness of the drug, and the fierce energy of his own keen nature.” It happens by chance that Watson passes through his former lodgings in Baker Street one night, spots his silhouette against the window, and finds himself wondering what his friend is up to. For the good doctor it was clear ,"He had risen out of his drug-created dreams and was hot upon the scent of some new problem.”, he can't resist and rings the bell. I could go on and on about those initial pages in this story but, alas, time is scarce as I write this review. It must be finished before my train reaches the fair city of Köln.

    Holmes greets his friend with his usual manner, and tells him he has received a misterious letter he might find interesting. It is here that Holmes gives us all a precious advice, one of the guidelines I have been following in my professional (and, why not, personal) life: “I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” Watson himself is able to deduce some things by merely looking at it (he's learned a few tricks) but Holmes knowns a lot more already. I cannot help but laugh every time I read how he concludes that the person who wrote it was German “It is the German who is so uncourteous to his verbs”. It is so true! Only a speaker of German will understand the brilliance of this sentence. Shortly after, the client arrives. Making a long story short (or at least trying) this is the kind of Bohemia, who found himself in an uncomfortable situation. A few years before he had an affair with the adventuress Irene Adler, an American Opera singer of very disputable reputation. The king is to have his engagement with a daughter of the king of Scandinavia announced and Miss Adler threatens to make the affair public (and cause an end to the engagement) by showing a compromising photograph as a proof. The king has tried with little success to recover said photograph by several mean with no success. This is a woman of superior intelligence and wit, no doubt, “... she has a soul of steel. She has the face of the most beautiful of women, and the mind of the most resolute of men”. Holmes takes the case (along with a generous payment) and promises to solve the problem by obtaining the photo.

    “She is the daintiest thing under a bonnet on this planet.”

    Holmes gets to know a great deal a
    “She is the daintiest thing under a bonnet on this planet.”bout this woman by taking the time to go to her street, observe and ask around. He comes back fascinated! Under the disguise of a groom out of work he finds all sorts of information and is involuntarily involved in an occurrence that changes everything: he serves as a witness in the marriage of Irene Adler to Godfrey Norton, a lawyer. Holmes cannot help but laugh out loud of the entire situation. The new Mrs. Norton (née Adler) thanks the poor groom (Holmes) by giving him a sovereign “... I mean to wear it on my watch-chain in memory of the occasion.”
    Holmes has a plan and asks for Watson's assistance. She, he says, will show him the location of the photo herself. The plan in brilliant, you will have to read it for I will not go as far as explaining it, but disguised as a clergyman Holmes finds a way of being taken by Adler to her sitting room where, after a false fire alert, she makes a mistake of reaching for the place where she hides her most precious possession. But she realises her mistake, he outsmarts Sherlock Holmes himself! When Watson and Holmes reach Baker Street they are greeted by a young man “Good-night Mister Sherlock Holmes.” The next morning, the two are accompanied by the king himself to Adler's lodgings to recover the photo however, the lady isn't there and has taken all of her things. She has fled during the night, took a train with her husband and left England never to return again. In the photo's hiding place she leaves a letter to “Sherlock Holmes Esq. To be left till called for”. There she explains her story, why she fled, how she discovered his plan, why she is taking the photo with her, and why the king mustn't be worried about her creating a scandal. She leaves a photograph of her in an evening gown as a souvenir to the king. She shows in that letter what an intelligent and modern woman she is, who wears masculine clothes frequently (the young man wishing Holmes goodnight was her) to take advantage of the freedom she enjoys by doing so. She is a match for Holmes, she is THE woman indeed. And when the king says “Is it not a pity that she was not on my level?” Holmes answers “From what I have seen of the lady she seems indeed to be on a very different level to your Majesty”, she is superior to him the reader understands. Finally the king is satisfied with the result and wishes to reward Holmes with an emerald ring he is carrying. Holmes, however, tells him he holds something he will value more highly “This photograph”.

    “And when he speaks of Irene Adler, or when he refers to her photograph, it is always under the honourable title of the woman.”



    Holmes – He is brilliant but there is someone who shines brighter than him this time... and he known it.
    Watson – Now a married man, he still finds time to help Holmes. He is witty and dependable, typical Watson.
    Villain – Who is the villain in this story? Irene Adler, who threatens the king? The king? No one. This is another morally ambiguous story.
    Supporting characters – Irene Adler, such a short appearance but such a lasting impression. One of the best female characters ever written. Smart, beautiful, complex, original, modern, independent. What a queen she could have made! The king is much below her, as Holmes himself concludes.
    Atmosphere – Not much to say about this one, but we do get a description of a quiet part of London not often depicted by Doyle.
    Suspense – As Holmes' plan unrolls, we think how on earth he is going to pull it out... and he doesn't. There is also suspense in the very first part of the story, the first meeting with the king as well as the conversation between Holmes and Watson that precedes it.
    Violence – Not much, other than a (fake) row that takes place outside of Irene Adler's house.
    Humour – Not much to write home about, I'm afraid.
    Cleverness – Very clever, Holmes, Watson and, most of all, Miss Adler have high quality brains.
    Case – Seemingly easy, retrieve a photo, prevent a scandal from happening. This story is not about the case, it is about showing that Holmes is not infallible and that there is a beating heart somewhere inside of him.
    Doyle – Managed to pick a simple story and surround it with little details. Along the way he gave literature a truly wonderful female character, so lacking even nowadays. I wonder the scandal it caused at the time: an independent woman, adventuress, smart, who even enjoys passing as a man. The way he avoided any possible clichés with this story is a testimony of how a writer he was.

    Final verdict – just like the previous one this is another of my favourite Sherlock Holmes adventures. The characters are so fleshed out in the little descriptions we get. It doesn't shy away from showing Holmes' problems (drugs, sociopathy, bipolarity), but gives him a heart, albeit only vaguely. Irene Adler is memorable, and her impact reaches much beyond the story. She is so great that she has been used in almost every Sherlock Holmes incarnation. However, I think none of these extended Adler roles reaches the impact of the original. Even BBC Sherlock's Adler got her plan from someone else. Not the book Adler, this one has a mind of her own, and what a mind. Another absolutely mandatory reading for every one, one of the very best Doyle works.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oops, Sandy posted in the wrong Sherlock thread. As she is not on just now, I will copy and paste it into the right thread for her.

    Although I hope everybody on this thread enjoyed her review, too; it is about the story as Doyle wrote it - not the BBC tv series.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited July 2013 Posts: 13,356
    A Comic-Con write up:

    Stars Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman were never scheduled to appear in person at Sherlock’s debut Comic-Con panel but they showed up anyway – via video. Both actors filmed short shout-outs to the very loud jam packed Ballroom 20 of the San Diego Convention Center. “Make sure you really scream and shout ask them lots of belligerent questions,” quipped Freeman to the fans about the in-person panel of co-creators/EPs Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss and producer Sue Vertue. Working on a Peter Jackson’s still filming sequel, Freeman was in full Hobbit makeup and shades in his clip. Cumberbatch on the other hand was more casually dressed in his pre-taped appearance. After joking that he was doing a junket for Star Trek Into Darkness and other projects before talking about Sherlock, the vacationing actor launched into a long edited mimed play on what it’s like to play a modern version of Sherlock Holmes. “It’s more fun making than watching,” also Cumberbatch told the crowd as he thanks the fans for watching and showing up. The BBC show, seen here on PBS, has currently two episodes of its upcoming Season 3 and about to start on a third.



    After pleas from Vertue of no one to film it, the panel also showed a clip from the second show of the upcoming season. The clip consisted of Cumberbatch/Holmes delivering a best man speech at Freeman/Watson’s wedding and how the detective was asked to do the honors. Heavy on the comedy, the nearly 5 minute scene certainly got big laughs and a standing ovation from the audience. “Imagine if he solved a crime,” joked Moffat to the response.

    Typically keeping any tips of future episodes and seasons close to their respective chests, the panel did reveal that Sherlock’s sibling Mycroft Holmes, played by Gatiss, would return. Otherwise it was slim Sherlock spoiler pickings, though Moffat did venture a Sherlock film could happen. “It’s an interesting thought,” Moffat said, “but we’d never want to do something that reduced the quality of the show.” Moffat, who is also the EP of Dr. Who, was also unresponsive if that show could see a woman taking over as the Time Lord in the next series. Dr. Who has its 50th anniversary panel on July 21 in Hall H. Back to Sherlock, the panel was asked if Season 3 would have a cliffhanger ending like Season 2 did. “You’ll watch it and say ‘they wouldn’t stop it there, would they?’ “ teased Moffat about another cliffhanger season ending for Sherlock’s third cycle. All agreed the show will go on. “As long as everyone wants to keep doing it, we’ll keep doing it,” added a more serious Vertue. The new season premieres in early 2014.

    http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/comic-con-sherlock-stars-show-up-via-video/#more-544299

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/tubetalk/a499501/sherlock-at-comic-con-panel-live-blog.html
  • edited July 2013 Posts: 4,622
    Har har har har. (the video) Cumberbatch spoils how Sherlock survived the fall, but not really, due to video technical interference ( wink wink)
    The lengths these guys go to, to play with the poor comic-conners.
    Freeman was funny, especially in his Hobbit get-up.
    OK, so they are waiting for Freeman to doff his Hobbit ears and get back to England and shoot the third episode of Series 3.
    re. a feature film; sure why not, but this series already is a series of well produced 90 minute movies, so it's not like we don't have movie-like presentation anyway.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    That was a hilarious video! Hopefully the real solution isn't as outlandish as Benedict jokes. ;)
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    G-d, how I love those two guys =)) ! That is such a great video, thanks for sharing @Samuel001!

    timmer wrote:
    re. a feature film; sure why not, but this series already is a series of well produced 90 minute movies, so it's not like we don't have movie-like presentation anyway.
    Absolutely. I find it hard to imagine what would be really better in a cinematic film.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited July 2013 Posts: 13,356
    Here's the panal video:



    The final episode of Series 3 is called His Last Vow.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited July 2013 Posts: 13,356
    Production on His Last Vow began today after a two month break. It will last for around a month, until 30th August.

    Series 3 is expected to be shown in the UK in December, despite rumours of an October air date flooding the internet at the moment. Sherlock does not air on Thursdays!
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    And the news is the new bad guy...




    Lars Mikkelsen as Charles Augustus... Magnussen

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited July 2013 Posts: 13,356
    Great, this series should be really fun but then, Sherlock, never isn't that.

    I would imagine our new villain has been revealed as he will be filming outside scenes for the third episode, in public view.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well ... His Last Vow is a great title but it is the title of Sherlock's very last, final adventure. Please do not tell me this series is stopping after this one!!

    The villain - interesting, some of us were guessing this slime would turn up next.
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    Well ... His Last Vow is a great title but it is the title of Sherlock's very last, final adventure. Please do not tell me this series is stopping after this one!!
    So you haven´t seen the video above where they say they´ve been opted for season 4 :)>- ?

    The "His" of His last Vow doesn´t necessarily have to be Sherlock, does it ;-) ?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I did read they were opted for season 4, but that title threw me.
    No, the "his" does not have to be Sherlock's. These writers loves to play on words and do things with a different twist, which makes it so enjoyable and fun of course.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    His Last Vow sounds like a wedding gone bad...oh wait, what happens in episode 2. ;)
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