Sherlock (2010) BBC Series Discussion Thread

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  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    He's not autist.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Indeed, he is not.

    I could have died if I had any more cough syrup with codeine, but that's a story for another time ...

    I also want to just say how much I enjoy seeing
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    little Sherlock! I thought Louis was very good in this role. Rather brave parents, I think.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    OK. First impressions are sometimes wrong. I will take your word for it, @Sandy.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Indeed, he is not.

    I could have died if I had any more cough syrup with codeine, but that's a story for another time ...

    I also want to just say how much I enjoy seeing
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    little Sherlock! I thought Louis was very good in this role. Rather brave parents, I think.

    Isn't he great? Actually they didn't want to let him do it but allowed him to the casting and he passed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I read the interview/Q&A someone posted earlier (probably you ...) with Gatiss. I loved it, and laughed when
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    I read that Louis had said to his dad - because he dad said he would not help him get the role - "You are the worst dad!"
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Yes, I read the interview/Q&A someone posted earlier (probably you ...) with Gatiss. I loved it, and laughed when
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    I read that Louis had said to his dad - because he dad said he would not help him get the role - "You are the worst dad!"

    Someone else posted it before I could. If you can do listen to the interview because they only transcribed a portion of it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:

    Someone else posted it before I could. If you can do listen to the interview because they only transcribed a portion of it.

    It was a lovely interview. Gives a lot of insight to what the team tried to bring to us in series three, and teases what is coming in series four without saying anything about it at the same time. Whenever I listen to Moffat and Gatiss talk, I feel amongst my fellow kin. Three brilliant men, (can't forget Thompson) who have brilliant passion and understanding for these characters. They have a lot to be proud of. It's amazing to realize that this series grew out of little conversations on a train, and has grown into one of the biggest phenomenas of the current day.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I watched His Last Vow for the second time tonight. What an amazing episode! So many nods, so many layers. The non-canonical things are not something that bothered me much, except maybe a thing or two but not to keep me from enjoying this so much. Again, I got the impression that
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    Moriarty is not really back. I keep thinking it was Mycroft. I might be wrong, of course, but now I can't take that out of my mind.

    Oh, and today I was organizing the scientific journals of the library at my work (long story) and I found a Clinical Medicine issue with a cover article named "Sherlock Holmes Revalidated". It's a really interesting paper! Ended up looking for Doyle's scientific publications (since the paper quoted him) and found a couple of comments he published at Lancet, one about gout (wonder if what he found was actually an epigenetic effect, I'll keep that information in mind) and the other relating opthalmology about a case (criminal) he was helping with.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Sandy, I love finding things like that about Doyle's personal life outside of his writing. The man was a regular Watson: a medical mind, brave, prone to adventure, and quite the do-gooder. I watched a documentary years ago that focused on two criminal cases he solved, and have been looking for it ever since to re-watch it, all to no avail. Doyle was quite "the man," for lack of a better term.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Sandy wrote:
    I watched His Last Vow for the second time tonight. What an amazing episode! So many nods, so many layers. The non-canonical things are not something that bothered me much, except maybe a thing or two but not to keep me from enjoying this so much.
    Those "non-canonical things" could be...
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    Holmes killing someone?? That indeed bothers me quite much... And, of course, Watson a father?? No way
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Those "non-canonical things" could be...
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    Holmes killing someone?? That indeed bothers me quite much... And, of course, Watson a father?? No way
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    Holmes killing someone didn't bother me that me, somehow I always thought he was capable of doing it. Watson a father bother me a bit. Janine instead of Agatha as well. I think I'm missing something else but can't remember at the moment. But honestly? It doesn't bother me enough to make me not love the episode.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I can't think of a single non-canonical thing Holmes and Watson have done in the entire show. As I've said before, this is as good as it gets.
  • edited January 2014 Posts: 12,837
    I did always think that Sherlock was meant to be autistic. Have the writers or Cumberbatch ever talked about this?
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I did always think that Sherlock was meant to be autistic. Have the writers or Cumberbatch ever talked about this?

    No, he isn't meant to be autistic. I don't remember the authors ever talking about this but Watson did say something like that when he was really angry at Sherlock in Hound, but he wasn't making a diagnosis. The fact that he can read people so well is also indicative of that he hasn't an autism spectrum disorder. The thing with Sherlock is that he simply shuts himself away from emotions so that he can reason more analytically and not be influenced by external factors.

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Double
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Sandy wrote:
    I watched His Last Vow for the second time tonight. What an amazing episode! So many nods, so many layers. The non-canonical things are not something that bothered me much, except maybe a thing or two but not to keep me from enjoying this so much. Again, I got the impression that
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    Moriarty is not really back. I keep thinking it was Mycroft. I might be wrong, of course, but now I can't take that out of my mind.

    Oh, and today I was organizing the scientific journals of the library at my work (long story) and I found a Clinical Medicine issue with a cover article named "Sherlock Holmes Revalidated". It's a really interesting paper! Ended up looking for Doyle's scientific publications (since the paper quoted him) and found a couple of comments he published at Lancet, one about gout (wonder if what he found was actually an epigenetic effect, I'll keep that information in mind) and the other relating opthalmology about a case (criminal) he was helping with.

    @Sandy, I love that you found Doyle in your scientific journals! That is cool. It it always interesting to me to read about him as a person. He was so fully active in many things, not just writing.

    I love His Last Vow. I'll be buying the series, of course; but I'm happy to have been able to watch it a few times now. The only thing that has thrown me so far really is
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    Mary being pregnant. Because I do not know where they will go with that. Either horribly dark tragedy or something totally out of the canon; which it already is, of course. But then M & G do their own thing as well; I think they do not mind bringing in new characters, new elements. I can think of one in particular - Molly - that has turned out to be extremely important and great fun. But a child ...? I don't know, but I am hopeful it will be okay in the long run.

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    That also bothers me a bit @4EverBonded, let's see how they work it out. It would mean a great change in their lives, don't you think?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, for sure. And it
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    could be okay, just different. Too dark a tragedy does not fit this show.

    By the way, does anyone think
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    that Mycroft already knows about Mary's background? I think he probably does.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Yes, for sure. And it
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    could be okay, just different. Too dark a tragedy does not fit this show.

    By the way, does anyone think
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    that Mycroft already knows about Mary's background? I think he probably does.

    Mycroft knows everything.

    That video is just brilliant @thelivingroyale! Thanks for sharing it. Regarding what you said about autism I did find one paper of a researcher who claims that Mycroft Holmes is the first description of an Asperger patient and, since he shared several personality traits with his younger brother in addition to genetic, Sherlock Holmes must have also been an Asperger patient. However, although I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I find this line of thought flawed. On the one hand, no one so far was able to prove a genetic background for autism or related disorders. On the other hand people in this spectrum usually have difficulty in "reading" other people. Sherlock is perfectly fine in reading people, especially when he has some interest in them. He ignores people's feelings most frequently, but that's a completely different matter. He does have Asperger features, however that doesn't make him Asperger or autistic himself. Bipolar? Most certainly. High functioning sociopath? I think he exaggerated his self-diagnosis but it's a little bit closer than autistic in my opinion.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    I can't think of a single non-canonical thing Holmes and Watson have done in the entire show. As I've said before, this is as good as it gets.
    Have you read my previous post about "non-canonical" things?
    ;)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Have you read my previous post about "non-canonical" things?
    ;)

    I think Brady meant there is nothing non-canonical in their behaviour. In that sense I agree, they are precisely the same characters behaving in the exact same way except in a different time.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:

    I think Brady meant there is nothing non-canonical in their behaviour. In that sense I agree, they are precisely the same characters behaving in the exact same way except in a different time.
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    Yes, I am referring to how they act, as that is the important thing. I love that the writers have added characters not in the canon and given twists to events and the cases that inspire some of the episodes. I have no issue with that. It's only when Sherlock and John don't feel like Sherlock and John that I will have an issue, which they thankfully never have. Having a show that isn't dependent on Doyle's work completely is great because Moffat, Gatiss and Thompson can pay respect to him and use his stories to inspire their creativity without being chained to doing the same exact things he did. Plus, they had to update the show, so many customs and events had to be written differently than they were in the Victorian period, obviously.

    As for John and Mary having a kid, I have no issue with it and find it interesting. It gives the writers a chance to explore what John's life would mean if there was yet another thing in the way of the "adventures" that he can never kick. Throw in his still present hurt over Mary's lies who is bearing his child, and it could be very interesting.
  • @Sandy Glad you enjoyed the video, they also did a great Bond sketch

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    @Sandy Glad you enjoyed the video, they also did a great Bond sketch


    "He missed and was making the best of a bad job" :))

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    @Sandy Glad you enjoyed the video, they also did a great Bond sketch


    Priceless =))
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Well, talking of "non-canonical" behaviour,
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    I can´t imagine Doyle´s characters drunk, getting in fights in a pub or with their hangovers!
    :-O
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Well, talking of "non-canonical" behaviour,
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    I can´t imagine Doyle´s characters drunk, getting in fights in a pub or with their hangovers!
    :-O

    Well, then you are very wrong, as there are instances in the books of those three things ;)
  • edited January 2014 Posts: 12,837
    ggl007 wrote:
    Well, talking of "non-canonical" behaviour,
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    I can´t imagine Doyle´s characters drunk, getting in fights in a pub or with their hangovers!
    :-O

    If you want something 100% faithful to the original characters then just read the books. It's pretty clear that the show is a new take on it, otherwise it wouldn't be set in the modern day.

    Also, as Bond fans, can we really complain about "non-canonical" behaviour? The majority of the films are nothing like Fleming's books but we still enjoy them.
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    To be fair, I´ve read about 80% of Conan Doyle´s books, and so far I can´t see Watson being as annoyed by Holmes as John is by Sherlock. But that doesn´t bother me in the least. The show works singularly well on its own, and it´s still chock full of canonical references, and it still offers the most accurate depiction of Holmes and Watson any show or film ever did.
    As for John and Mary´s baby, I must admit it gives a slight feeling of The Incredibles. The Mary in the tv show doesn´t allow being hidden in a household or other job. And yet, the writers of this show did such a terrific job in fooling everybody so far that I can´t really worry.
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