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  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited January 2014 Posts: 5,767
    Very nice work @0Brady!

    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Didn't they say that the bomb was planted by that bloke, who was secretly working for North Korea?
    Yes, and it´s impossible that he acted on his own. And it´s obvious that
    Magnussen was somehow connected to it, because he arranged for John to be put into the bonfire. Both the bonfire and the bomb were related to Guy Fawkes.
    That could be a co-incidence, but it just would be so much bigger if something bigger was behind it ;-).

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    4EverBonded wrote:
    Nice! As always,@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 , I enjoy your art work a lot. :)
    boldfinger wrote:
    Very nice work @0Brady!
    Thank you both. :)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Just caught an interview with Moffat and he says something I completely agree with about Sherlock Holmes:
    " “He’s not a sociopath, nor is he high-functioning. He’d really like to be a sociopath. But he’s so fucking not. The wonderful drama of Sherlock Holmes is that he’s aspiring to this extraordinary standard. He is at root an absolutely ordinary man with a very, very big brain. He’s repressed his emotions, his passions, his desires, in order to make his brain work better — in itself, a very emotional decision, and it does suggest that he must be very emotional if he thinks emotions get in the way. I just think Sherlock Holmes must be bursting!”"
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Oh, I do like that, @Sandy! Thanks for posting it. I concur. A true sociopath would not have those feelings of friendship and loyalty to Watson, for one thing.

    Here's a nice picture I found, even though it does leave out my dear Jeremy Brett:
    robert-downey-jr-basil-rathbone-benedict-cumberbatch.jpg
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Great comment by Moffat. As I often tell my friends, either those who like Holmes or who don't know him from Dupin, he is the biggest bullsh#$$er in the land. He is contradictory is so many things that he says because he almost tries to lie to himself that he doesn't have certain feelings or emotions, things he believes to affect his mental detecting processes. While things can get worse when they grow personal, I think Sherlock sees through his care of people like Watson and Irene that emotions aren't always a bad thing, and can in their own right be life-savers. After all, who would Holmes be without his Boswell? ;)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    That montage is great @4EverBonded, although I'm no big fan of Rathbone (though he did have the looks).
    Today I stumbled upon a comment by one of the Baker Street Babes in answer to a question they got concerning The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton and about Watson being an unreliable narrator (aren't they all?). Along the way there was this delicious paragraph that made my not so amazing day a lot better:

    "So how reliable are they? This is a murky area, made murkier by Arthur “Continuity” Doyle and by Sherlock Holmes himself, the Master Secret-Keeper and Emotion-Repressor, King of All Reticence, Snark Factory, Prankster, Liar, Master of Disguise, Chap Who Employs Aloof Humor as the Ultimate Waterproofing Against Strong Sentiment, Man Whose Childhood Has Been Stricken from the Record Due to Reasons Unknown, Mr. “I Never Knew You Had a Brother” Holmes, Whoops! I Died That One Time, etc., etc. "
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    That made me laugh, @Sandy! Thanks. :) And yes, isn't that true?
    I love the wild complexity of Holmes. He is continually fascinating - look how long his character has been famous and still incredibly popular - and the new BBC version gives us much to carry on with.

    ALSO - we are discussing Mary Morstan from the Doyle story compared with Mary on BBC's Sherlock (Amanda Abbington) on our Sherlock thread, A Study in Sherlock - hop on over and join in the discussion. This new Mary is oh so different! But I, for one, am very happy with her. We'd like your comments, too. :D
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    edited January 2014 Posts: 4,012
    Regarding the difference/similarity between canon and BBC Sherlock Holmes, I stumbled upon something today that shows how well the character is portrayed.
    The text is from The Adventure of the Musgrave Ritual, the photos are from Sherlock.
    http://thenorwoodbuilder.tumblr.com/post/26889550814/one-of-the-most-untidy-men-that-ever-drove-a
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Oh, what a great link! Thanks, @Sandy. I was unfamiliar with that piece as I don't read tumblr. The photos are just perfect! Yes, I have been quite happy seeing Cumberbatch's Sherlock mess up the apartment, shoot at the wall, keep papers under a knife, and drive everybody to distraction with his chemicals and experiments at home. It is very true to Doyle. Sherlock is, shall we say, unique and eccentric. What a great character, and I do love the BBC portrayal.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    @4EverBonded I also don't read tumblr, except for the Baker Street Babes and This one, The Norwood Builder (love the name) when I remember ;)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I like Baker Street Babes and I like Norwood's name, too.
    If I started something, I'd love to call it The Giant Rats of Sumatra. Ha! ;)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Well, I just looked at the Baker Street Babes website; haven't been on in a while.
    And I found a notice about an upcoming symposium at the University of Central London (if you are in London, lucky you!).
    The link is: http://bakerstreetbabes.com/new-directions-in-sherlock-a-sherlock-conference-on-april-11th/. Essentially, it says:
    *****
    CFP: New Directions in Sherlock
    Sherlock Holmes: Past and Present
    Friday, April 11, 2014 from 10:00 AM to 7:00 PM (BST)
    Department of English, UCL

    Heralded by The Telegraph as a ‘global phenomenon,’ the BBC Sherlock is now one of the most commercially and critically successful series of all time. This one-day symposium focuses on the series to look back at its roots in Conan Doyle’s stories, to situate it in light of contemporaneous adaptations and pastiches, and to examine its treatment of a range of issues including race, gender, terrorism, and international relations. The fruits of this symposium will lead to the publication of a special journal issue dedicated to the series.
    In this symposium, we will screen His Last Vow, attend presentations, and discuss Sherlock Holmes, the BBC Sherlock, and aspects of neo-Victorian detective writing.
    *****

    You can submit an abstract and get involved. It is free to the public to attend.
    I do wish I could go! Here is a link to a map for it: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/maps
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Why we might have to wait two years for Season 4:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/you-might-have-to-wait-two-years-for-sherlock-season-4/
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well, it's not definite; but thanks for posting that, @Creasy47. I think of course Moffat and Gatiss have said all along they want to keep the quality and freshness of the show. We know they are busy elsewhere. And the main actors also keep on with their careers so schedules become full. But ... I'm not concerned, I think this was just stating the obvious.

    I don't want to wait 2 full years, none of us do. I think they will get it done sooner, if they can. We shall see. I'd be more concerned if there was an article saying definitely, now there are too many other commitments, it will be a full 2 year wait. That hasn't happened yet.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    There was a Q&A with the Freeman, Abbington, Cumberbatch, Vertue and Moffat a couple of days ago and it was recorded. It's free on iTunes, which unfortunately means I can't watch it :( For those who can I think it might be worth checking out.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thanks, @Sandy. :)
    I cannot get it either.
    But I hope someone does listen to that and let us know what was said, in general.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    There was a Q&A with the Freeman, Abbington, Cumberbatch, Vertue and Moffat a couple of days ago and it was recorded. It's free on iTunes, which unfortunately means I can't watch it :( For those who can I think it might be worth checking out.

    Never fear, Brady is here! I've just finished downloading it and I will share my thoughts on it and comment on what was said shortly. It's about 50 minutes and there's even video footage. I can't wait to watch it. :)

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2014 Posts: 28,694
    Hello again, everyone. The iTunes Q&A was really cool. There wasn't anything revealed about series 4, just that Sue and the team are working out schedules and planning when it could get done, as you'd expect. It was a very fun and light-hearted Q&A that had a great set of questions from the interviewer and the audience. Some asked the actors what their favorite moments of the season were, another wanted acting advice as they are in acting school, and then the questions were asked that you'd expect about how their characters developed during the season and throughout the entire length of the show. The cool thing was that Martin was a surprise guest, and none of the fans knew he was supposed to be there, so it was a real treat seeing the big reaction and watching him, Ben, Amanda, Sue and Moffat all up there and having a great time. Like I said, it was fun, witty and very light-hearted, but nothing relevant to series four was revealed if anybody was worried about that. For anyone that can check it out, I highly recommend giving it a watch. :)

    Here's a link to download it if you have iTunes:
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/sherlock-meet-the-filmmaker/id815189745?mt=2
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Well, I just found this interview with Cumberbatch online. I haven't watched it; yet, but I thought I'd share it here, as I think many of you may be interested in it, too:

    vhttp://movies.yahoo.com/video/full-interview-benedict-cumberbatch-bafta-012445213.html

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'll be sure to watch that soon when I have some free time. There's a higher quality video of the interview at this link:
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/video/full-interview-benedict-cumberbatch-bafta-680648
  • FLeiterFLeiter
    Posts: 315
    While I have seasons 1-2 on blu-ray, waiting for season 3 to come to retail in the US. Not to take away from our friend and wonderful VectorVectoria, on the same website that he sells his Bond t-shirts..they also have quite a collection of Sherlock tees. Here is one of my favorites.
    https://www.teepublic.com/show/12429-high-functioning-sociopath-with-your-phone-number
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I came across this on deviantart and had to post it:

    tumblr_myz9n32hYA1s9rk1yo1_500.gif

    How amusing. ;))
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    edited February 2014 Posts: 6,396
    Brilliant :))
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    WillyGalore wrote:
    Brilliant :))

    It'd be amazing to go out to see Bond 24 and that showed up before the film started. :))
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,837

    boldfinger wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Didn't they say that the bomb was planted by that bloke, who was secretly working for North Korea?
    Yes, and it´s impossible that he acted on his own. And it´s obvious that
    Magnussen was somehow connected to it, because he arranged for John to be put into the bonfire. Both the bonfire and the bomb were related to Guy Fawkes.
    That could be a co-incidence, but it just would be so much bigger if something bigger was behind it ;-).

    I'd say it was a coincidence. Magnussen put him in the fire because it was bonfire night, and the bomb was related to Guy Fawkes because it was bonfire night.

    I don't think Magnussen was connected to the terrorist attack at all. Like he said, he wasn't some evil super villain, he worked in news. That's also why I think it was a good move killing him off. I've seen lots of people complain and say he should've been in the next series but he's not a villain with much longevity.

    Moriarty can get up to all sorts. Blowing stuff up, ruining Sherlocks reputation, stealing the crown jewels, etc. He's a psychopath who causes chaos and commits crimes for the fun of it. Magnussen, he's just a blackmailer. He's a creepy, evil blackmailer but that's all he does at the end of the day, and it'd get stale quickly.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    boldfinger wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Didn't they say that the bomb was planted by that bloke, who was secretly working for North Korea?
    Yes, and it´s impossible that he acted on his own. And it´s obvious that
    Magnussen was somehow connected to it, because he arranged for John to be put into the bonfire. Both the bonfire and the bomb were related to Guy Fawkes.
    That could be a co-incidence, but it just would be so much bigger if something bigger was behind it ;-).

    I'd say it was a coincidence. Magnussen put him in the fire because it was bonfire night, and the bomb was related to Guy Fawkes because it was bonfire night.

    I don't think Magnussen was connected to the terrorist attack at all. Like he said, he wasn't some evil super villain, he worked in news. That's also why I think it was a good move killing him off. I've seen lots of people complain and say he should've been in the next series but he's not a villain with much longevity.

    Moriarty can get up to all sorts. Blowing stuff up, ruining Sherlocks reputation, stealing the crown jewels, etc. He's a psychopath who causes chaos and commits crimes for the fun of it. Magnussen, he's just a blackmailer. He's a creepy, evil blackmailer but that's all he does at the end of the day, and it'd get stale quickly.

    I'm 100% with you on this! Magnussen is a slimmey creature, who feeds on other people's weaknesses, a terrible person but not an evil mastermind. He just wants power over others, Freudians probably have a lot to analyse there, but he is no Moriarty! Moriarty is brilliant, Magnussen is a bully...
    a dead bully
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2014 Posts: 28,694
    I just finished that BAFTA talk with Benedict, and it was brilliant, as expected.



    I highly recommend it to any of his fans because he gives a special look into his early acting work, influences, his processes and his motivations for doing what he does. I've said it before and I'll say it again: he's got a mind just as awe-inspiring as his talent. Quite the timeless actor we have here, and he hasn't even hit 40 yet. I see even greater things in his future, and look forward especially to his continued masterful work as our favorite consulting detective.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I came across this on deviantart and had to post it:

    tumblr_myz9n32hYA1s9rk1yo1_500.gif

    How amusing. ;))

    =)) Brilliant!!!
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Moffat about Season 4: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sherlock-season-4-steven-moffat-reveals-moriarty-plans-more-female-characters-new-episodes-1438448

    Not really good news for Canon lovers... :-?
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Moffat about Season 4: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sherlock-season-4-steven-moffat-reveals-moriarty-plans-more-female-characters-new-episodes-1438448

    Not really good news for Canon lovers... :-?

    Not necessarily! In any case, I have learned to take everything Moffat says with more than a grain of salt by now.
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