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Certainly not serious, but fun ;)
for years i thought i was alone in my pining for the loss of Dalts and the having to watch the mid atlantic pain-face disco-diva roll the franchaise towards the cliff of oblivion
really good to hear that alot of people here thing the same
good work!
Oh I suppose Tracy's death in OHMSS was Bond not showing any emotion? Or Bond discovering Felix's body in LTK? Did you even see all the films? Brosnan brought nothing.
i have seen dialogue in die another day that is less akward than that line in Casino Royale
seriously
i know he did a great peformance. i loved Carey Mulligan too (its funny enough she use to play goldeneye on the 64 and called Brozzer her goldeneye) especially when she plays as Sally Sparrow
Oh I suppose Tracy's death in OHMSS was Bond not showing any emotion? Or Bond discovering Felix's body in LTK? Did you even see all the films? Brosnan brought nothing.[/quote]
alright i will give you Timothy Dalton because he had good acting
but i think the whole Tracy/Bond relationship in OHMSS was really forced- it didnt feel natural at all but i guess it was noteworthy
and Brosnan did bring something- he brought hope that Bond can exist outside of the cold war- remember when reporters said will bond be relevant in the 90s...brosnan and goldeneye made that happen...even some fans hailed him the second coming of Sean Connery...though i cant find the article it was mentioned on Comanderbond.net
anyway back on topic- TImothy Dalton did a fantastic job on Chuck especially his first episode
Indeed. A great scene and one of his best. Also, definitely putting his armour on to keep Domino from getting too close.
Sanchez is awesome and the script is terrific and fun. I love TD.
Mi3 and the new Batman movie pay homage to two action scenes in the first half, plus DC and co must have watched this film religiously to get a sense of where they were taking his Bond character. TD's two films have never been bettered so far.
read BAIN123s post. We'd seen emotion before but brosnan was the 1st bond to actually have experienced something like tracy dying, which made it a bit more authentic when he did have emotional moments. Dalton will always be my fave bond but brosnan is great, and I'm sick of people making out he's such a bad james bond. What exactly did craig bring that was new??? dalton had done the whole dark thing, and lasenby the emotional thing before right??? but craig is still a good james bond isn't he. Brosnan, and craig, brought nothing new because there wasn't anything new to bring, moore had done the light hearted, dalton the darker side, and connery had done the whole classic bond thing. What could brosnan have brought that hadn't been done before??? Brosnan did everything he could do and he turned out to be a great james bond.
chuck norris could do anything. he's chuck norris.
TRUE CHUCK NORRIS FACTS
If chuck norris is running late, then time slows the f*** down.
There's no life on mars and other planets because chuck norris got there first.
We now have over 7 billion people on earth.... because chuck norris allows them to live
chuck norris doesn't have cereal in milk for breakfast, he eats mini grenades in poison
in goldeneye, 006 switched places with a disguised chuck norris while bond wasn't looking, and chuck norris took a bullet to the head
the world will not end in 2012, the world will end whenever chuck norris wants it too
chuck norris killed a man in antartica by practising bruce lees one inch punch. He was in new york at the time
You can read my posts and you'll see I said him experiencing it in real life meant absolutly nothing. All that matters is what's on screen and Brosnan sure as hell didn't outperform Dalton in his emotional scenes. That's because he's simply not a good actor. I highly doubt anyone watched Brosnan's scenes and said "Wow either he's the greatest actor in the world or he really did lose his wife". All Brosnan did was grimace and wince. He should've spent a few more years in acting school.
No he didn't outperform dalton in the emotional scenes. But read my other post, you talked about how brosnan brought nothing new, I said there wasn't anything new to bring.
I would strongly disagree with that. Just because Dalton played a "dark" Bond and Craig plays a "dark" Bond doesn't mean the performances are similar (I'd even disagree with the "dark" part). Look at how many different takes there are on Sherlock Holmes...or Hamlet! Not only is it the same character but because of the source material the dialogue is even often exactly the same. Yet the different actors playing the role can give very different performances.
Brosnan wasn't just a retread of Moore, he was his own character. Was that character consistant and played with utter conviction? Not always. So I think that he did indeed bring some new things to the character but I feel that he wasn't able to back it up with the acting ability needed. That doesn't mean that he was a *terrible* actor, just that his reach might have exceeded his grasp.
As for Craig he as well has brought "something new" to the character - indeed, that was something commonly pointed out for praise in the reviews of CR (and likely a big reason for his BAFTA nomination). I think that if you gave each of the 6 Bond actors the same scene to do with the same dialogue you'd be surprised at just how different the scenes would turn out.
Its really weird. I think out of all his performances TWINE is often met with the most controversy. I remember Haphazard saying he thought it was Brozza's best performance (bar his "there's no point in livinng" scene) and he said he thought Brozza did well in giving the character "new dimensions". Others seem to think its his worst. I think we can all agree on one thing - Brosnan improved as Bond as he went on.
I don't think brosnan and craig brought anything new, but I don't care. They are still great bonds and there isn't anything REALLY new to bring.
I also had the misfortune of watching Remember Me... and I thought Brosnan was immense in the film. He stole every scene he was in. He has like 8 minutes of screentime at most, yet he totally outshines the main characters. When Brosnan and Pattinson were in the fancy restaurant, Brosnan looked completly 'in his element' - full of grace, commanding figure - while Pattinson looked like a baffoon. And when Pattinson goes to throw a tantrum in Pierce's office, I could feel the rage in Brosnan while sitting infront of my computer... it really felt like Brosnan was about to annihilate Pattinson's existence.
I know Pattinson is far from being a great actor... but Brosnan really wipes the floor with him... Brosnan outperforms Pattinson by a huge margin, so he must be a good actor atleast...
He overacted a little with the"SIT THE ****DOWN" line though.
That said I really felt sorry for his character in The Greatest.
I didn't see the film, but this is EXACTLY the ambience, where Pierce feels totally at ease and in the right place, hence it works for his Bond. Here he exudes all, what is necessary to be a convincing Bond. But he largely lacks in danger and action. This is when he becomes less convincing and looks out of place. But I think, that those nice location parts are those, where people enjoyed his Bond.
Moore did it well in TSWLM when XXX kept pushing him about Tracy. One of Moore's best scenes in the franchise.
They all did. Especially Dalton and Lazenby. But I suppose some people think Bond was some sort of robot before Brosnan. Even though all he did was make funny facial expressions.
In a way, that is true. To me the essence of Bond was his coolness, which was proven by not showing much of emotion, never mind what. They kill and turn around - unmoved. They love and turn around - unmoved. Obviously Tracy was the exception.
I kinda liked that, made him larger then life.
I am a fan of Moore (yes, Dalton/Craig), because even though he was a lightweight, he had tons of charme to make up for not being a tough guy. He was my favourite Bond and in some way, still is.
I think, Dalton failed not because his films were darker, but because of his lack of appeal. SDo, to answer the title question, he was not ahead of his time, he was the wrong man to bring it up.
Pierce to me is the least convincing Bond.
DC is my favourite Bond actor, but not my favourite Bond, if that makes any sense. That is Moore...
Exactly. What defines Bond (and lets down Craig for me) is that sense of devil may care, do or die, coolness. Brozza turned him into a groaning, moaning, mincing pansy, and Craig is just too damn serious about everything. Although Rog' was slated by countless Sean fans, I think time has allowed us to get perspective on his take on Bond, and the conclusions are pretty positive. Oodles of charm, likeability and a sense that he'd get through anything. Plus, you root for him. He's not as physical as Sean, so you don't necessarily see him as the automatic winner - this makes his big confrontations more gripping. I've seen heard some people compare him to Brozza, which is absurd and completely misses the star quality that Moore brought to the screen.
A true legend.
I'm always surprised when people say this. I started a thread quite some time back about "favourite moment of humour in Craig's films" and I think that showed that the humourless, dark Craig Bond (or Bond films) is a bit of a case of people seeing what they want to see. Craig flirting with both Solange and Vesper (especially telling her that her cover name is Stephanie Broadchest), teasing/humiliating Dimitrios and the German tourist in the The One and Only Club, joking while eating caviar after winning the card tournament...I think that some people don't like the "darker" moments and then project that onto everything.
I think a similar thing happened to Dalton. I thought that he showed charm and a nice light touch with the lines and humour in TLD. But then people didn't like his take in LTK (I agree that his charm disappeared in that film) and retroactively remembered TLD as lacking humour.
I think you're right Flasheart. I was watching a bit of LTK yesterday and, while there are a few lighter moments with Dalton ("why don't you wait until you're asked") its overshadowed by the grim, violent nature of the plot. When people think of "humour" they often think of one-liners and there's no denying that they often fell a bit flat when Dalton attempted them ("he looks like he came to a dead end"). The same goes for Craig in Quantum ("thank you, she's seasick")