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    DarthDimi wrote:
    bondbat007 wrote:
    And where is Return of the Joker? Fantastic film

    That's Batman Beyond. I don't like those things very much. It's either Batman / Bruce Wayne or nothing at all for me.

    Fair enough sir. Although if you haven't seen it, I recommend it greatly. Although make sure you watch the PG-13 uncut version. Just a fantastic film

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    bondbat007 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    bondbat007 wrote:
    And where is Return of the Joker? Fantastic film

    That's Batman Beyond. I don't like those things very much. It's either Batman / Bruce Wayne or nothing at all for me.

    Fair enough sir. Although if you haven't seen it, I recommend it greatly. Although make sure you watch the PG-13 uncut version. Just a fantastic film
    Got the first two seasons of the batman that show was pretty good. Artifacts was excellent, episode set 30 years and a thousand years in the future. mr freeze is the villain.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    bondbat007 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    bondbat007 wrote:
    And where is Return of the Joker? Fantastic film

    That's Batman Beyond. I don't like those things very much. It's either Batman / Bruce Wayne or nothing at all for me.

    Fair enough sir. Although if you haven't seen it, I recommend it greatly. Although make sure you watch the PG-13 uncut version. Just a fantastic film

    I bought it on DVD, gave it a try, it was competently made but like I said, they wasted my time on a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne. I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    Somebody should go to jail for making up puns like that.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    So you prefer the movies?
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    Somebody should go to jail for making up puns like that.

    Nah, @Dimi would just escape anyway. ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 24,256
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    So you prefer the movies?

    I don't understand what you mean.

    Generally speaking, I favour the Batman comics and graphic novels. But I was discussing Batman Beyond and I favour nothing that takes place in this spin-off universe, neither films nor comics.

    Incidentally I would like to comment on Batman & Robin. It's overall one of the least enjoyable products in the Batman franchise but there are moments when I can ever so slightly appreciate some of the things it did. You see I grew up watching reruns of the old Adam West show. One thing I noticed while viewing B&R ten years later was how similar this film is to the 60s Batman in terms of its campiness and some of its actors going into overdrive. While I prefer the darker toned Batman over anything campy, I can find myself experiencing B&R as an homage to the Adam West days with some basic joy. Obviously they could have told Clooney to be more like Bruce Wayne and less like his TV series characters, they could have stripped those impractical fins off the Batmobile, they could have entered Batgirl more convincingly into the story, they could have dropped that fluorescent, post-modern motor cycle race thing altogether... Yes, there's a lot about B&R that offends the seasoned Batman comic reader. Not Arnold though. His performance was so over the top, I actually quite like it. He and Uma seem like the only two people in this film who are aware of the fact that its logic goes through the roof and they at least seem to be in on the joke, whereas everybody else actually seems to be taking their part pretty seriously. Arnold and his ridiculous lines, often delivered with a spine chill inducing effect, keep me going while watching this film. Kudos to Arnold for realising that one has to be pretty retarded when praising this film as a master piece. So he played his part with such an obvious awareness of its overall stupidity that he at least manages to put a smile on my face. He, and Uma.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    So you prefer the movies?

    I don't understand what you mean.

    Sorry for mispelling. I meant that, if you don't like Batman's comics or cartoons, i guess that you'd rather to watch or like the movies instead.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    Somebody should go to jail for making up puns like that.

    Nah, @Dimi would just escape anyway. ;)

    That depends upon the prison. I know a place that happens to be in another dimension. >:)
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    In light of the recent comments, Batman Beyond is okay with me. I prefer Bruce Wayne as Batman in a '30s and '40s setting where gangsters where suits and ties and smoke cigars with tommy guns at their sides. I prefer a gruff, no-nonsense Batman who sticks to the facts and doesn't take no for an answer. Thankfully, Terry McGinnis didn't completely ruin this, since he was much darker and harder-edged than if someone else had taken over the role, like Tim Drake. Dick Grayson could have pulled off Batman later down the road, possibly. The thing is though, he's just better as Robin and/or Nightwing. That's his character, so it made sense to bring in someone new, although he had no history with Bruce Wayne whatsoever, which bothered me a little bit. Also, I don't like the laser gun issue in BB. I know that it is supposed to be at least 40 years in the future, but come on, this isn't a sci-fi show! Anyway, BB isn't too bad. After all, it's got Bruce Timm and Paul Dini working on it, what can go wrong?
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    DarthDimi wrote:


    I bought it on DVD, gave it a try, it was competently made but like I said, they wasted my time on a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne. I neither like the animated nor the comic book version of Batman Beyond. The entire concept is frankly 'beyond' me.

    Fair enough that you tried it. I for one love the series and the film, but I can understand somebody who doesn't.

    And fantastic pun by the way :)
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    On the Batman Beyond subject, and I hope I'm not... aw, the hell with it:
    Bruce Wayne is Terry McGinnis' father.
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    On the Batman Beyond subject, and I hope I'm not... aw, the hell with it:
    Bruce Wayne is Terry McGinnis' father.

    How in the world is that possible?!?! Ahhh, my mind is pounding right now!
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    00Beast wrote:
    On the Batman Beyond subject, and I hope I'm not... aw, the hell with it:
    Bruce Wayne is Terry McGinnis' father.

    How in the world is that possible?!?! Ahhh, my mind is pounding right now!

    If you're being serious, go to the DCAU wiki (dcanimated.wikia.com) and look up the JLU episode "Epilogue". If you're not being serious: I wasn't sure that anyone else knew, okay?
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    @Agent007391: I was being serious, just to let you know. Sorry if that sounded sarcastic, I didn't mean for it to be!
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    When I first saw that episode, I thought it was stupid and a disgrace to the entire Batman Beyond saga. But now when I look at it, it's perfect. The whole series is about fate and destiny. I love it
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    00Beast wrote:
    @Agent007391: I was being serious, just to let you know. Sorry if that sounded sarcastic, I didn't mean for it to be!

    That's okay. Sometimes, it can be difficult to tell what a person means just by what they type up on a monitor. It doesn't surprise me that you didn't know this, especially if you didn't get to see all of (or any of) JLU.
    bondbat007 wrote:
    When I first saw that episode, I thought it was stupid and a disgrace to the entire Batman Beyond saga. But now when I look at it, it's perfect. The whole series is about fate and destiny. I love it

    Yeah, I originally felt, "Oh, God, they went that way...", but now I feel that it was the perfect ending to Batman Beyond. I read on the DCAU wiki that it was originally the plan for a second Batman Beyond movie, but something about how Return of the Joker being too dark put a stop to it, so they used it for the JLU episode.
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    Only watched odd episodes of batman beyonds first season. interesting outcome for terry mcginnis. i remember at the time of watching batman beyond what a great aging batman/bruce wayne, clint eastwood might have made.
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    I absolutely love the early 90s Batman The Animated Series, and further adore the late 90s The New Adventures of Batman, which was mature and very dark. It focused more on Batman's team than the dark knight at most intervals, but it was a spectacular 24 episode run. Batman Beyond was a big part of my childhood, and I still have fond memories of it to this day. A new direction that I remember very positively. When I play the Batman Arkham City dlc I always picture the Batman Beyond batsuit Batman as Terry instead of Bruce. :)
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    They put the Batman Beyond suit in Arkham City?
  • I only got intrested in batman after seeing batman begins so I guess I prefer the movies, but I've got afew of the comics too
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    They put the Batman Beyond suit in Arkham City?

    YES! There is a DLC pack with all the batman suits, new challenge maps, and the robin and nightwing DLC or $15 PSN dollars. Hell of a deal!
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    I'm wondering if this thread should be re-named the Batman thread?

    Havent got into the animated stuff too much myself but am a big fan of the graphic novel stuff. Jeff Loeb probably my favourite writer - Long Halloween etc are top notch. But nothing comes close to Hush. Jim Lee's artwork is just phenomenal!
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    Steven wrote:
    I'm wondering if this thread should be re-named the Batman thread


    Nope lol, its a FREE discussion. Chatting and things like that. The topic by now is batman, so...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Steven wrote:
    I'm wondering if this thread should be re-named the Batman thread?

    Havent got into the animated stuff too much myself but am a big fan of the graphic novel stuff. Jeff Loeb probably my favourite writer - Long Halloween etc are top notch. But nothing comes close to Hush. Jim Lee's artwork is just phenomenal!

    Nah. Hush's story was a little loose. My tops are The Dark Knight Returns(pure Frank Miller awesomeness), The Long Halloween(a damn good mystery), and Year One(another Frank Miller, but an origin story). I also enjoyed Joker, by Brian Azzarello and great art by Lee Bermejo. The Killing Joke is stellar, and the perfect portrait of the Joker, and by Alan Moore, one of the greatest writers and the writer of my bible(Watchmen).

    There should be a bloody smiley face emoticon on MI6!
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    I've read all of the above except Joker by Brian Azzarello - i'll maybe look into getting it. currently reading JLA Identity Crisis which is pretty good so far (bit darker than the normal Justice League stuff).

    Ps. Totally agree about Alan Moore.
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    Frank Miller penned my all-time favorite Batman comics, Year One and The Dark Knight Returns. I never much cared for The Dark Knight Strikes Again or Spawn/Batman, and though I agree with most criticisms about it, I did like All Star Batman and Robin.
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    Steven wrote:
    I've read all of the above except Joker by Brian Azzarello - i'll maybe look into getting it. currently reading JLA Identity Crisis which is pretty good so far (bit darker than the normal Justice League stuff).

    Ps. Totally agree about Alan Moore.
    Kingdom Come is great too.

    Frank Miller penned my all-time favorite Batman comics, Year One and The Dark Knight Returns. I never much cared for The Dark Knight Strikes Again or Spawn/Batman, and though I agree with most criticisms about it, I did like All Star Batman and Robin.

    I refuse to read The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Utter trash, and Frank did it only to silence fans who wanted a sequel to The Dark Knight Returns. Bet they're happy they whined now(sarcasm). The evidence is there. Frank's art style in TDK Strikes Again was trash, like he didn't care how it looked(quite likely), and it looks like a scribbled mess. His art in TDKR was brilliant, when he cared for the project. In my mind, TDK SA never existed.
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    In my mind, TDK SA never existed.

    I wish I could do that, too, but since I know about it, it can't go away (the same thing happens to me with the Metal Gear series [which I love] and Snake's Revenge [which is abysmal]), and I had to read it. It has the stupidest story of any of Frank Miller's Batman works (and with Spawn/Batman being in there, that's saying something), the worst art (not counting some of Miller's covers to All Star Batman and Robin) and just the worst presentation.

    That said, there are things I like about it. Superman and Wonder Woman's daughter (who's name escapes me) is well thought-out, and pretty attractive. Dick Grayson being the bad guy is cool (and unexpected). Those are the two things I liked about it.
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