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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Thanks, @Murdock!

    I might go in for some juicy Arnold vs. Newman bitchery. And I do love me some typos!

    You mean tiepose?
  • Thanks, @Murdock!

    I might go in for some juicy Arnold vs. Newman bitchery. And I do love me some typos!

    You mean tiepose?

    *salivates*
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thanks, @Murdock!

    I might go in for some juicy Arnold vs. Newman bitchery. And I do love me some typos!

    It's a riot. ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    If it's not Arnold for 25 I'm going to be very wary.

    You and me both.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Could we merge this thread with @jake24 s Bond 25 Production Thread?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It's quite sad (and pathetic) that, after we know about the return of Daniel and the release date of the film, and that it's his last, people still want more news. Let them make the damn film and be glad you have what you got.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Let's not be cryptic.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Let's not be cryptic.

    I assume you're talking about @Birdleson here, as my thoughts on this are known and I don't hide my annoyance with the usual suspects on the production thread.

    RE: the production thread, I find it amusing that the people like myself who figured that Dan would return, that the movie would be his last, and that the movie would only come out in either late 2018 or 2019 are the ones who are the most mature and relaxed in the aftermath of the "big news," while all the folks who denied Dan's return and thought 2019 was an impossible window to meet are acting spoiled and brattish. I actually like these movies (most of the critics don't seem to) and yet I don't get worked up over it like so many do.

    The fact that Dan went on a random talk show and spilled the news is pretty amazing, and we finally have a clear idea of what to expect going forward which is a bigger revelation (to the unobservant fans post-SP, that is) than we've had since the last film came out. If people are still whining and acting entitled to more from EON, they've lost the plot because Dan didn't need to tell anyone anything beyond him being back, and he didn't have to do it as a big surprise out of nowhere while promoting a film completely unrelated to Bond.

    EON seem to be enemy number one around here a lot of the time (often illogically), but boy do some of the "fans" here make good company.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    Well said, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Still confused as to who @Birdleson 's comment was directed towards.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Directed at anyone who derides others on here.
    I don't think it's deriding as much as it is childish attitude and moot/unrelated discussion as Brady put. Regardless I do think people have remained mostly civil throughout, at least in the said thread, which is a good thing.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just the whole idea of calling others and their behavior "sick" and "childish" is what I'm talking about. There are some people that seem to have to go personal with everything. That others that disagree or go in directions that they don't care for are wrong or deficient in there tastes and understanding.

    It's one of the reasons why in the past I would take long stretches where I just stuck to the Originals thread (until that got invaded by those whose snarkiness and eagerness to argue killed that one for me too) and the trivia games.
    People are free to discuss whatever they please on this forum with regards to Bond. It's one thing to show interest in a certain topic (the Craig-era timeline or lack thereof), but to constantly flood a thread where that discussion is not only moot but irrelevant is a complete showcase of immaturity. It's not only that, it's the overall spoiled and selfish air that contaminates the thread, with people coming in every day to whine and shame EON for not spoon-feeding us news at their preferred frequency when we have learned more about the forthcoming film in the last two months than we did in the year prior. It's this childish attitude that perfectly warrants that label.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited September 2017 Posts: 25,413
    jake24 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just the whole idea of calling others and their behavior "sick" and "childish" is what I'm talking about. There are some people that seem to have to go personal with everything. That others that disagree or go in directions that they don't care for are wrong or deficient in there tastes and understanding.

    It's one of the reasons why in the past I would take long stretches where I just stuck to the Originals thread (until that got invaded by those whose snarkiness and eagerness to argue killed that one for me too) and the trivia games.
    People are free to discuss whatever they please on this forum with regards to Bond. It's one thing to show interest in a certain topic (the Craig-era timeline or lack thereof), but to constantly flood a thread where that discussion is not only moot but irrelevant is a complete showcase of immaturity. It's not only that, it's the overall spoiled and selfish air that contaminates the thread, with people coming in every day to whine and shame EON for not spoon-feeding us news at their preferred frequency when we have learned more about the forthcoming film in the last two months than we did in the year prior. It's this childish attitude that perfectly warrants that label.

    I read the update page only on the Bond 25 production thread as there is way too much unrelated stuff to plough through.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    jake24 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just the whole idea of calling others and their behavior "sick" and "childish" is what I'm talking about. There are some people that seem to have to go personal with everything. That others that disagree or go in directions that they don't care for are wrong or deficient in there tastes and understanding.

    It's one of the reasons why in the past I would take long stretches where I just stuck to the Originals thread (until that got invaded by those whose snarkiness and eagerness to argue killed that one for me too) and the trivia games.
    People are free to discuss whatever they please on this forum with regards to Bond. It's one thing to show interest in a certain topic (the Craig-era timeline or lack thereof), but to constantly flood a thread where that discussion is not only moot but irrelevant is a complete showcase of immaturity. It's not only that, it's the overall spoiled and selfish air that contaminates the thread, with people coming in every day to whine and shame EON for not spoon-feeding us news at their preferred frequency when we have learned more about the forthcoming film in the last two months than we did in the year prior. It's this childish attitude that perfectly warrants that label.

    I read the update page only on the Bond 25 production thread as there is way too much unrelated stuff to plough through.
    That's just what I urge people to do when the discussion becomes too much for them.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I wasn't aware that this thread was for people to whine and bitch about fellow members participating in the 'production' thread. Now I know.
    --
    I read the update page only on the Bond 25 production thread as there is way too much unrelated stuff to plough through.

    The crux of it is as follows:

    1. there will be a B25, which we always knew would be the case
    2. release date is November 8, 2019 in the US and earlier in the UK
    3. Craig confirmed his return on Colbert after denying it earlier in the day. He said he wanted to give Colbert the scoop. 007.com has confirmed his intention to return on its website.
    4. P&W writes.

    That's about it for facts. The rest of the 1017 pages is all complete gossip, conjecture and discussion.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    bondjames wrote: »
    I wasn't aware that this thread was for people to whine and bitch about fellow members participating in the 'production' thread. Now I know.
    --
    I read the update page only on the Bond 25 production thread as there is way too much unrelated stuff to plough through.

    The crux of it is as follows:

    1. there will be a B25, which we always knew would be the case
    2. release date is November 8, 2019 in the US and earlier in the UK
    3. Craig confirmed his return on Colbert after denying it earlier in the day. He said he wanted to give Colbert the scoop. 007.com has confirmed his intention to return on its website.
    4. P&W writes.

    That's about it for facts. The rest of the 1017 pages is all complete gossip, conjecture and discussion.
    That's not what this is, @bondjames. But it gets exhausting having to repeat myself several times a day that I chose to take it here.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I wasn't targeting you or anyone in particular with my post @jake24. I just don't see the point in complaining about what goes on in the Production thread. There is NO PRODUCTION at this moment. So what can we expect?

    Correct me I was wrong in what I stated above about the 'hard facts' with respect to B25.

    I appreciate all the effort you take to update that thread daily, but bottom line is the actual 'knowns' are quite limited at present.

    If people choose to speculate and discuss things about Bond which interest them I don't see what the problem is. At the end of the day, as I've noted on that particular thread, nearly all the comments can give us insights into what members collectively desire for Bond films in the future, based on their analysis and remarks about prior films (most notably, SP). I personally find it quite informative to understand where members are coming from. I don't judge their opinions. I just observe and participate until we get some news. Ultimately it's one huge 'speculative database' of sorts.

    No need to worry. I'm sure the thread will clean itself up once there's more substantive information to discuss, whenever that may be.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    bondjames wrote: »
    I wasn't targeting you or anyone in particular with my post @jake24. I just don't see the point in complaining about what goes on in the Production thread. There is NO PRODUCTION at this moment. So what can we expect?

    Correct me I was wrong in what I stated above about the 'hard facts' with respect to B25.

    I appreciate all the effort you take to update that thread daily, but bottom line is the actual 'knowns' are quite limited at present.

    If people choose to speculate and discuss things about Bond which interest them I don't see what the problem is. At the end of the day, as I've noted on that particular thread, nearly all the comments can give us insights into what members collectively desire for Bond films in the future, based on their analysis and remarks about prior films (most notably, SP). I personally find it quite informative to understand where members are coming from. I don't judge their opinions. I just observe and participate until we get some news. Ultimately it's one huge 'speculative database' of sorts.

    No need to worry. I'm sure the thread will clean itself up once there's more to discuss.
    I think to say there is no production going on would have been true when the thread was first conceived, but certainly not now. The film is being written and directors are likely being lined up, none of which was even a thought in January 2015.

    But you're right in that it doesn't change the fact that we barely know anything other than the hard facts you mentioned above.

    The thread is meant as a place to discuss certain elements one would like to see in B25 as much as it is to discuss production developments ranging from pre-production all the way to the film's home media release. Talking about reasons for why Madeleine Swann should or shouldn't return is fair game. A 10 page discussion about the musical subtleties of Thomas Newman's American Beauty score is not.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I agree with @Birdleson, some people just have an appetite to derides others opinions as a means to elevate their own. If everyone who disagrees is "childish" then they must be mature by contrast, is the way it goes. I admit it does get tiring to listen to sometimes.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I wasn't targeting you or anyone in particular with my post @jake24. I just don't see the point in complaining about what goes on in the Production thread. There is NO PRODUCTION at this moment. So what can we expect?

    Correct me I was wrong in what I stated above about the 'hard facts' with respect to B25.

    I appreciate all the effort you take to update that thread daily, but bottom line is the actual 'knowns' are quite limited at present.

    If people choose to speculate and discuss things about Bond which interest them I don't see what the problem is. At the end of the day, as I've noted on that particular thread, nearly all the comments can give us insights into what members collectively desire for Bond films in the future, based on their analysis and remarks about prior films (most notably, SP). I personally find it quite informative to understand where members are coming from. I don't judge their opinions. I just observe and participate until we get some news. Ultimately it's one huge 'speculative database' of sorts.

    No need to worry. I'm sure the thread will clean itself up once there's more to discuss.
    I think to say there is no production going on would have been true when the thread was first conceived, but certainly not now. The film is being written and directors are likely being lined up, none of which was even a thought in January 2015.

    But you're right in that it doesn't change the fact that we barely know anything other than the hard facts you mentioned above.

    The thread is meant as a place to discuss certain elements one would like to see in B25 as much as it is to discuss production developments ranging from pre-production all the way to the film's home media release. Talking about reasons for why Madeleine Swann should or shouldn't return is fair game. A 10 page discussion about the musical subtleties of Thomas Newman's American Beauty score is not.
    I agree and I realize liberties have been taken. However, what I took from that particular discussion is that either Newman or Arnold will be very controversial with a specific segment of the membership and we learned why through that discussion on the thread. It certainly could have been done elsewhere, but I'm certain it wouldn't have given us so many insights if marginalized in a specific thought controlled thread. Point taken though.

    Your thread is a goldmine of insights, for those who care to look.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I agree with @Birdleson, some people just have an appetite to derides others opinions as a means to elevate their own. If everyone who disagrees is "childish" then they must be mature by contrast, is the way it goes. I admit it does get tiring to listen to sometimes.
    To disagree is one thing, to say "EON better give us some news soon because things have been far too quiet lately" is undeniable childish behaviour.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Directed at anyone who derides others on here.
    I don't think it's deriding as much as it is childish attitude and moot/unrelated discussion as Brady put. Regardless I do think people have remained mostly civil throughout, at least in the said thread, which is a good thing.

    @jakee24, I guess we are to take all this as a sign that we are turning into what we have fought so hard against. Oh, no! How very Shakespearean. ;)
    I agree with @Birdleson, some people just have an appetite to derides others opinions as a means to elevate their own. If everyone who disagrees is "childish" then they must be mature by contrast, is the way it goes. I admit it does get tiring to listen to sometimes.

    I don't know what other adjective one could use to describe those who treat bookie bets as confirmation about who EON are considering for Bond #7, who constantly shove the apparent obviousness of another random actor's rise to the Bond throne (a Hiddleston, Turner, Hardy, it's a catch-all) and who can't put two and two together to figure out that without a distributor, films don't get made. The production thread then amounts to a very ignorant, myopic and altogether bumbling showing of what happens when the misinformed get together and have a party.

    "Childish" is far, far too kind a word to use, quite frankly, but that's the most discreet and respectable one can or should go. It's easy to see why those who act in such a way wish for others not to be so honest about their behavior, but because they do the above they don't have to consciously deal with it every day in so many threads, whereas those who don't act that way have to hear the same tired and misinformed opinions daily. Those like myself, @jake24 and RC7 sometimes repeat ourselves by association as we try to reach these folks, but it by no means amounts to the constant recycling of opinions that one hears from the same people every day in numerous posts and threads. I assume the thought is that members are worried the rest of us will forget their opinion if they don't repeat the same thing every day five or six times and have the same conversation about the same topic bimonthly. As it stands I don't know of anyone here who has dementia, so I can't say it's warranted behavior.

    I guess the metaphor to apply here is the baby sticking its hand on the hot oven, crying from the pain that makes them avoid doing it again. The babies are the equally infantile EON whiners and the hot oven are those who try to ease their monotonous experiences on the production thread. I've left them to burn months ago now, knowing it's hopeless. It's no secret why the posters have become a running joke on the community and the content of their ramblings in the thread a punchline along with them.

    The remedy I would suggest are those folks picking up some hobbies, so that one's life doesn't revolve around the production of Bond 25 and nothing else. Pick up landscape painting to soothe your soul, maybe read a good book, take a walk in the park, chat up a girl (and always use protection if it goes farther), etc. Considering that those who are most vocal about Bond 25 on here are those who hate the latest films and EON along with them, it's curious why their lives are spent in such pursuit of commentary on the series they don't have interest in. A bit masochistic, no? What exactly is the point of taking about things you don't like, when you could, I dunno, pursue what makes you happy?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    We all praise the things we love and whine about the stuff we hate. Literally every single person on the forums is guilty of it to some extent. It's understandable, it's why I don't call people out for doing it when I hark on about the stuff I don't care for.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Hi guys. What's going on? Thought I'd drop in for some good conversation.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    There is a nice round of the usual bashing Brosnan and SPECTRE going on in the controversial opinion thread...good to see some things never change ha!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @BondJasonBond006 , do you think I was actually bashing Brosnan?... C'mon now, I do have an opinion, and that doesn't mean I was bashing him.

    He's my least favourite Bond (as I explained in the other thread, sometimes it was due to his acting, sometimes the scripts he was attached to), but I'm still happy he became Bond.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Bashing the Brosnan is that a euphemism ? ;-)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Bashing the Brosnan is that a euphemism ? ;-)

    No :))
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,592
    There is a nice round of the usual bashing Brosnan and SPECTRE going on in the controversial opinion thread...good to see some things never change ha!
    Nobody was bashing him mate. No forum exsists where everyone can have the same opinion. Can you seriously not handle others disagreeing with you? Having a vast array of seasoned opinions is what makes this place as great as it is.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @jake24
    I think you need to revisit some of the post on Brosnan on that thread if you think it's not bashing....

    it's all a mix of ridiculous claims and luckily well founded opinions too...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Brosnan seems to take a lot of heat at times, sadly I expect Craig to get the
    Same treatment , after he too is replaced.
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