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What don't you want to see in Skyfall?

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  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Shaky cam,
    split-second editing,
    Bond with a machine gun,
    explosions galore,
    unwitty one-liners,
    indifference towards a Vodka-Martini, shaken, not stirred,
    superficial characters,
    QOS-style opening credits.
  • PlykshowPlykshow Kent, United Kingdom
    Posts: 35
    I don't want to see any crap that was apparent in OHMSS, Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. Something like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day would be nice
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Plykshow wrote:
    I don't want to see any crap that was apparent in OHMSS, Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. Something like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day would be nice

    Uh oh you're going to get into trouble....
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,278
    Plykshow wrote:
    Something like GoldenEye,
    Lots of grey dull buildings
    Plykshow wrote:
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    Lots of machinegun fire
    Plykshow wrote:
    or Die Another Day
    Lots of CGI
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    A film less than 2 hours long!
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Basically, almost everything of what @DaltonCraig007 said.
    Don't want Eve as Moneypenny
    Don't want Dench to quit after this film
    Don't want Fiennes to be M
    Don't want Moneypenny to NOT be in the film

    And some of mine...

    No internal jokes
    No 50's easter eggs, as almost every1 here said
    if make CGI's, PLEASE. make'em the most realistic as possible.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited February 2012 Posts: 6,432
    Don't want the James bond theme shoehorned in. want it to feel natural and incorporated well into the score.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    fire_and_ice wrote:
    Don't want the James bond theme shoehorned in. want it to feel natural and incorporated well into the score.

    I think that will be done! We have waited so long for it now? They cannot afford to mess it up!
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    fire_and_ice wrote:
    Don't want the James bond theme shoehorned in. want it to feel natural and incorporated well into the score.

    I think that will be done! We have waited so long for it now? They cannot afford to mess it up!

    Hope so mate, i want them to go fully at it, bond should be bond at his maximum now, in full flow as 007. origin/reboot story is history now or should be.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    The Bond theme feeling natural is very important in my opinion. The last time it did Barry was most likely in charge of scoring. Good luck to Newman becuase he needs to give us a great Bond score as well. Plus, co-writing a theme song, which in turn needs to be part of the score.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I don't want Adele as lead vocalist, and I certainly want to steer clear of last time out and a repeat of the awful Keys/Black disaster or anything similar. Have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed though but something like what we heard with Royale would be just fine. I hope common sense prevails and the producers realize that not all James Bond fans are stone deaf fourteen year olds. I do feel strongly about this, for me there has been a distinct shortage of decent themes in recent years, I don't want a continuation of that this coming year
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    The Bond theme feeling natural is very important in my opinion. The last time it did Barry was most likely in charge of scoring. Good luck to Newman becuase he needs to give us a great Bond score as well. Plus, co-writing a theme song, which in turn needs to be part of the score.

    In a few movie's the bond theme appears out of nowhere and feels out of place with the rest of the score. heard some of newmans work, admittedly its not my taste. though i hope he approaches it wanting to make his own stamp, and his soundtrack is more organic.
  • commandbond007commandbond007
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    Plykshow wrote:
    I don't want to see any crap that was apparent in OHMSS, Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. Something like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day would be nice

    crap? Casino Royale is awesome compare to DAD which had too much CGI and TND Bond using a machine gun too much

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    commandbond007 wrote:
    Plykshow wrote:
    I don't want to see any crap that was apparent in OHMSS, Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. Something like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day would be nice

    crap? Casino Royale is awesome compare to DAD which had too much CGI and TND Bond using a machine gun too much

    CR is awesome compared to any Bond film. 'Nuff said.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited February 2012 Posts: 6,432
    I think DAD is possibly the worst, CR is battling out for a top 5 place. in ten years i think CR maybe seen as a classic, if not already in some people's eyes.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    A dream machine.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.

    What melodies ? CR's score is a extremely poor. Many very underwhelming, basic, simplistic cues that don't belong in Bond films. CR's score is the most typically hollywoodian action music in the franchise... Barry's soundtracks are lightyears better. Even Serra's GE score was much better.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.

    What melodies ? CR's score is a extremely poor. Many very underwhelming, basic, simplistic cues that don't belong in Bond films. CR's score is the most typically hollywoodian action music in the franchise... Barry's soundtracks are lightyears better. Even Serra's GE score was much better.

    You must have been listening to the beatles without ear muffs then? Barry i will give you! Serra i will not! They brought someone in remember to rescue parts of his work?
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited February 2012 Posts: 3,278
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.

    What melodies ? CR's score is a extremely poor. Many very underwhelming, basic, simplistic cues that don't belong in Bond films. CR's score is the most typically hollywoodian action music in the franchise... Barry's soundtracks are lightyears better. Even Serra's GE score was much better.
    Your hatred towards Arnold is well-known, but saying that the CR score is "rubbish" that "don't belong in a Bond movie" and Serra's score "much better"? You'll find that a lot of people who would disagree with that.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Zekidk wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.

    What melodies ? CR's score is a extremely poor. Many very underwhelming, basic, simplistic cues that don't belong in Bond films. CR's score is the most typically hollywoodian action music in the franchise... Barry's soundtracks are lightyears better. Even Serra's GE score was much better.
    Your hatred towards Arnold is well-known, but saying that the CR score is "rubbish" that "don't belong in a Bond movie" and Serra's score "much better"? You'll find that a lot of people who would disagree with that.

    And you'll find many, if not a majority of musicians who think that CR's score is extremely poor, and that GE's soundtrack is musically better, even if the music not for everyone's taste. But CR's score is a poor soundtrack, no matter how you look at it... It may sound nice to your ears, but it's much poorer than Serra's GE. It's like comparing a Kit-Kat chocolate bar with a meal in the most fancy restaurant of Paris... the chocolate bar may taste nice, but it's nowhere as elaborate near as a meal in a fancy Paris restaurant...

  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited February 2012 Posts: 3,278
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    CR score is crap?!!!! I don't think so! Although "You know my name" is not everyone's favourite tune? The counter melodies that Arnold creates with it throughout the movie, for me? Are some of his BEST work IMHO.

    What melodies ? CR's score is a extremely poor. Many very underwhelming, basic, simplistic cues that don't belong in Bond films. CR's score is the most typically hollywoodian action music in the franchise... Barry's soundtracks are lightyears better. Even Serra's GE score was much better.
    Your hatred towards Arnold is well-known, but saying that the CR score is "rubbish" that "don't belong in a Bond movie" and Serra's score "much better"? You'll find that a lot of people who would disagree with that.

    And you'll find many, if not a majority of musicians who think that CR's score is extremely poor, and that GE's soundtrack is musically better, even if the music not for everyone's taste. But CR's score is a poor soundtrack, no matter how you look at it... It may sound nice to your ears, but it's much poorer than Serra's GE. It's like comparing a Kit-Kat chocolate bar with a meal in the most fancy restaurant of Paris... the chocolate bar may taste nice, but it's nowhere as elaborate near as a meal in a fancy Paris restaurant...
    Do you want to turn this into a kids discussion?

    Who made you the judge over others people's taste?

    I am a musician as well and I know several other musicians that are into Bond - highly skilled people with years of experience. They all hate Serra's score and find it very lacking.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2012 Posts: 15,723
    I do not know what soundtrack you listened to, but CR's score is simply not as good as GE's. CR's score is just a very, very poor soundtrack. I cannot understand how anyone, especially someone with musical knowledge can seriously say that Arnold's CR is better than Serra's GE. Yes, GE's soundtrack may sound weird sometimes, and is not for everyone's taste, but it is musically better and more elaborate than CR's.

    Leave behind your distaste for GE's score and just analyze the cues... it's evident that this soundtrack is better than CR's. I'll give you that CR sounds better and more 'classical' than GE's, but the latter is the better score.

    If you don't focus on the odd-sounding music in GE, you'll clearly see Serra made much more elaborate music than Arnold. CR is just very, very basic, simplistic music. Just read the partitions to see that it's very simplistic music that anyone could write, or even write better music than this... I don't think this is what you'd expect from a professional composer, that it's very easy to write as good, if not better music than what he did...
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    And I do not know what soundtrack you listened to. The GE score is simply not as good as CR's. Serra's score is just a very, very poor soundtrack. I cannot understand how anyone, especially someone with musical knowledge can seriously say that Serra's GE is better than Arnold's CR.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Zekidk wrote:
    And I do not know what soundtrack you listened to. The GE score is simply not as good as CR's. Serra's score is just a very, very poor soundtrack. I cannot understand how anyone, especially someone with musical knowledge can seriously say that Serra's GE is better than Arnold's CR.

    Read the partitions... most of CR's cues are just simplistic to the extreme... is that what you want for Bond music ? Simplistic music from a so-called 'professional' composer that anyone could write ? or even write better music ?

    As i said - leave behind the odd-sounding music in GE and just study the partitions... it's clearly evident GE's soundtrack is much more elaborate and musically greater than CR's.

    It's laughable that a musician would seriously say that CR's music is better than GE's... it's like saying a catalogue of cooking recipes is better litterature than Victor Hugo's novels, or Voltaire's books.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited February 2012 Posts: 3,278
    @DaltonCraig007

    You are arguing that "anyone" could have written the CR-score.

    Another proof of your hatred towards Arnold. I get it, okay? But what I do find "laughable" myself, is that you are trying to define what other people should or should not like and what they themselves define as a "good meal." It's like arguing that vegetarians don't eat proper food!

    Besides, there are much more to music than partitions. For me (not you, I know) good melodies comes first. That's what defines a good musician in my world.

    Likewise, you can find guitarists which are much more technically brilliant than Slash (Malmsteen fx). But Slash is considered one of the best guitarists in the world, because he has made some wonderful and "simplistic" riffs.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Eh ? Where did I say you shouldn't like CR's score ? All I'm saying is that you shouldn't exaggerate things about it... I happen to love the film 'The Core'.... I don't go around saying it's a greater film than Taxi Driver, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Scarface....

    CR is a poor soundtrack. But if you want to love this score, you can love it all you like... but it doesn't change the point that it's poor music...
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    "Shouldn't exaggerate?"

    With arguments like "anyone could have written the CR score" who's exaggerating here?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Zekidk wrote:
    "Shouldn't exaggerate?"

    With arguments like "anyone could have written the CR score" who's exaggerating here?

    Well have you read the partitions of CR's soundtrack ? Because I have, and I have read more elaborate music written by people in music school than Arnold...

    CR's score is simplistic to the extreme. End of. Reading the partitions of many of the tracks, it's clearly evident the music is quite easy to write. Anyone with basic musical knowledge could have written the same music, if not even better music. There's no complexity in the partitions at all. So anyone can come up with a basic melody and write a cue.

    Anyone can write a post on MI6Community. It's easy, it's not litterature. But try to write a 500 page novel like 'Around the World in 80 Days', and you'll find that not many people can write such a thing.

    Well, Arnold's CR is a post on MI6Community. Anyone can write a post here. Some posts a better than others, but anyone can understand how to write a basic one.

    Many of CR's cues are just notes put together into very basic melodies... it's quite easy for someone who plays an instrument to write his own music, he just puts notes together... Anyone can put notes together randomly.... but writing complex music is a different matter entirely... and there is no complexity at all in CR.....
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited February 2012 Posts: 3,278
    So you don't like "simplistic"? That's fair. I find that some of the most memorable scores, guitarriffs, songs etc are very, very simplistic, using very few chords fx. Take Beatles fx. Take some of John Williams' iconic scores.

    Anyone can learn to be "technically brilliant", but it takes creative skill and a lot more musical talent to create music that will appeal to people (and their feelings).

    That's what seperates the artist from the technician.
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