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The 'Die Another Day' Curse

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  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    X3MSonicX wrote:
    Actually, of what i know of, Moonraker is totally different from DAD... and the one which looks CLOSER to it is Nightfire.
    Firstly, i know Bond is on the space, at MR. No space in DAD.

    In the novel by mr. Fleming 007 is trying to find out the evil plans of a Hugo Drax who turns out planning to shoot a nuclear rocket on London to take revenge from losing the war against the Vaterland.

    MR the movie as written by Christopher Wood has a space station. ANd is very unlike the novel. That said the novelistation is the closest that anyone came to Flemings style and making it enjoyable.

  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited February 2012 Posts: 401
    commandbond007 wrote:
    are you serious Casino Royale does NOT suck..........must be watching the wrong movie.
    No, I watched the right film (unfortunately). The first time, I couldn't get through it, the second time, I just barely did. Haven't watched it since. I guess lines like "NOW THE WHOLE WORLD'S GOING TO KNOW YOU'VE JUST SCRATCHED MY BALLS" don't amaze me.
    commandbond007 wrote:
    DAD is garbage
    Just remember, the same people that wrote DAD wrote CR as well.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Casino Royale is not for everybody

    I can appreciate why some may take issue with it, nevertheless I enjoyed it for the most part, it's arguably one of the best of the last twenty years
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited February 2012 Posts: 401
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Casino Royale is not for everybody
    Neither is Tosca.
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I can appreciate why some may take issue with it, nevertheless I enjoyed it for the most part, it's arguably one of the best of the last twenty years
    I wouldn't say that. TLD and LTK were great. Brosnan's films were mostly stupid, but they weren't unwatchable. Even DAD has it's moments.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    In what respect were Brosnan's films stupid? I don't understand that at all. Ok it has some validation towards his end tenure but the Irishman gave us some damn fine outings on occasion
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited February 2012 Posts: 401
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    In what respect were Brosnan's films stupid? I don't understand that at all. Ok it has some validation towards his end tenure but the Irishman gave us some damn fine outings on occasion
    There were many, many plot holes. That, and the writing wasn't exactly intelligent. I could probably point the plot holes out to you if I watched the films right now.

  • SJK91SJK91
    edited February 2012 Posts: 1,310
    002 wrote:
    Die Another Day is a thousand times better than Qantum of Solace
    Whoa, whoa let's not get too ahead of ourselves. Yes, Quantum of Solace was a lesser Bond film for sure, but Die Another Day is just a complete embarrassment for me.

    So far, there really has only been one film that senselessly acknowledged itself as an "anniversary" film by throwing in a bunch of lame references to the previous films (sigh). No other Bond film has really referenced others in the preposterous ways DAD managed to. So is there really a 'curse' at play here? I'm not so sure. But as long as Mendes and the gang do not take the DAD route, at the very least Skyfall will be serviceable...more than I can say about Die Another Day as a whole.
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Even DAD has it's moments.

    You are right about that, the film's opening and everything up to Halle Berry's intro was actually pretty good. But the film mostly goes to hell once it hits Iceland.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Will SF's gunbarrel have something special? DAD's one has, the bullet.

    I really hope it won't, because the original is better.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Die Another Day is similar to the RMS Titanic in a sense in that once it hits ice it sinks and disappears without trace :-S
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Well, conisdering how much is riding on this movie what with the big 5-0, a good director, and seemingly a good set of actors, I'd say that SF is looking to be a modern-day GF, TB, MR, or GE in terms of success at the box office. As for "classic", only time will tell.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    What is the DAD "curse" exactly? Anniversary films?

    There was no 30th anniversary film, but there was a 25th anniversary one (TLD) that was pretty smashing, in my book. Surely 25 maps to 50 better than 40 does...
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    Were the 40th anniversary nods really the major issue with DAD, or was it that it was just a pretty crap film?
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    Sorry, i actually didn't know that had another THREE threads. So i guess u should close this lol

    Anyway...
    002 wrote:
    it is the true adaption of the moonraker novel

    Actually, of what i know of, Moonraker is totally different from DAD... and the one which looks CLOSER to it is Nightfire.
    Firstly, i know Bond is on the space, at MR. No space in DAD.

    The Moonraker BOOK!
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    In what respect were Brosnan's films stupid? I don't understand that at all. Ok it has some validation towards his end tenure but the Irishman gave us some damn fine outings on occasion
    There were many, many plot holes. That, and the writing wasn't exactly intelligent. I could probably point the plot holes out to you if I watched the films right now.

    Goldeneye had a great storyline
    TWINE had a good thriller- i mean the whole plot twist with Electra King (Alright Denise Richards as a Scientist requires a much suspend of disbelief) was a stroke a geneius- the first time in the bond series that there was a female villian (not henchwoman)

    Tommorow Never Dies is a guilty pleasure but it isnt that bad....

    Die Another day is the only victim of poor writing- Gene Therapy

    but look at Qantum of Solace- the writing was abysmal- what was the villian after Oil? Nah scratch that they want to control the water supply so they get an extra couple of dollar bills on everyones water bill....FFS- worst thing was that because of the writers strike they had to scrap the original storyline which would have probarly be decent..i mean a hotel in the middle of the desert that with one spark can set it completely on fire...
  • Char35tChar35t
    Posts: 289
    Actually DAD is the worst bOND film ever made....

    QOS is right in my middle range as a solo film but couple it with CR (my #2) it shoots into my top #8.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited February 2012 Posts: 1,661
    Bond and Graves meet up at the Ice Palace...

    "So you live to die another day....?"

    "Yes, Mr Bond I do. And thank you for mentioning the title of this film."

    "I mention all the Bond titles in my films. I'm under contract to do so. If I don't, Eon get cross."


    :P
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Not all Bond titles have been mentioned in respective films throughout the series though, I take one such example off the top of my head for instance, er, The Spy Who Loved Me, should be safe enough

    @identigraph too, the past references were not the major concern with that release, in hindsight they could of reduced significantly what they did, but most people take umbrage with the fact it was an overall disaster of a picture, said it before if they had cast other members, a different tune, cut out all that awful CGI trash and not insulted our intelligence then maybe it could of been a movie fitting of the 40 year celebrations. Instead of that it will be remembered for all the wrong reasons

  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    Posts: 2,635
    fanbond123 wrote:
    "I mention all the Bond titles in my films..."

    Holy hell, that's really true, lol.

  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    It's not impossible that Skyfall will be cr*p, but if it is it will be for entirely different reasons than DUD. Mendes has assembled (on paper) a great cast and has enough respect for the franchise to avoid really bad CGI, naff gadgets and bad jokes. However, if they don't finally find some way of working some genuine humour into Craig's Bond, and if the plot sucks (what we've heard about it so far sounds very worrying) then there is a high risk the film will not deliver what we're after, which is a return to a good, solid, mission-based story with strong performances, nice locations and some good set-piece action.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Getafix wrote:
    It's not impossible that Skyfall will be cr*p, but if it is it will be for entirely different reasons than DUD. Mendes has assembled (on paper) a great cast and has enough respect for the franchise to avoid really bad CGI, naff gadgets and bad jokes. However, if they don't finally find some way of working some genuine humour into Craig's Bond, and if the plot sucks (what we've heard about it so far sounds very worrying) then there is a high risk the film will not deliver what we're after, which is a return to a good, solid, mission-based story with strong performances, nice locations and some good set-piece action.

    How from what we've heard about the plot so far do you extract a worrying disposition? We've heard nothing but positive exclamation and jeering from the cast and crew about how great the script and the story they're getting to tell is. I don't see your logic.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    The plot supposedly relates to an attack on MI6 and something in M's past coming back to haunt her. Or at least that's what I've heard. This sounds strangely similar to TWINE, which starts with an attack on MI6 and is followed by a chase through London. The plot of TWINE also included some tedious past history of M and was far too M-focused for my liking. I prefer M to be sat behind her desk in Whitehall, not in the field interogating people or placing herself in absurd situations of personal risk. Bond is the agent - M is supposed to set him on his way and perhaps get a little bit frustrated at his apparent lack of progress half way through the film.

    Any way, what I'm saying is that the Skyfall plot sounds like a retread of TWINE. I hope it isn't but that's what it sounds like.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    actonsteve wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    DAD did not suck, it could have been better but was not so incredible sh*te as the last 007 adventure QoS which has by now been disowned even by DC.

    .

    Yeah, right. DAD did not suck. I have heard it all now....

    DAD did suck, but it was actually a great movie up until Q revealed the invisible car. Everything after that drags the film down. But QOS was worse than DAD, almost none of it is good, even craig doesn't like it. QOS is the worst bond film ever.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    DAD did not suck, it could have been better but was not so incredible sh*te as the last 007 adventure QoS which has by now been disowned even by DC.

    .

    Yeah, right. DAD did not suck. I have heard it all now....

    DAD did suck, but it was actually a great movie up until Q revealed the invisible car. Everything after that drags the film down. But QOS was worse than DAD, almost none of it is good, even craig doesn't like it. QOS is the worst bond film ever.

    I'm not a big fan of QoS but it its certainly better than DAD. That said there are some action scenes in Die (namely the sword fight) that are more impressive than those in Quantum.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited February 2012 Posts: 12,837
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    It's not impossible that Skyfall will be cr*p, but if it is it will be for entirely different reasons than DUD. Mendes has assembled (on paper) a great cast and has enough respect for the franchise to avoid really bad CGI, naff gadgets and bad jokes. However, if they don't finally find some way of working some genuine humour into Craig's Bond, and if the plot sucks (what we've heard about it so far sounds very worrying) then there is a high risk the film will not deliver what we're after, which is a return to a good, solid, mission-based story with strong performances, nice locations and some good set-piece action.

    How from what we've heard about the plot so far do you extract a worrying disposition? We've heard nothing but positive exclamation and jeering from the cast and crew about how great the script and the story they're getting to tell is. I don't see your logic.

    I agree with @Getafix

    I don't like the sound of skyfalls plot. Everything else seems great, but the plot sounds crap. We've been seeing too much of M lately, it was original in TWINE, now its boring. M should just stay at a desk instead of pretending to be bonds mum throughout the film (another reason QOS sucked). The last thing I wanted was for skyfall was an M/bond trust focused plot, but thats what I've got.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Actually QoS it's great, because of it's action. Not Bondian, but The action on that Eco Hotel It's the best part.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    Posts: 401
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DAD did suck, but it was actually a great movie up until Q revealed the invisible car.
    The invisible car never bothered me. What does bother me is that John Cleese isn't coming back as Q. He was the only suitable replacement for Llewelyn.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DAD did suck, but it was actually a great movie up until Q revealed the invisible car.
    The invisible car never bothered me. What does bother me is that John Cleese isn't coming back as Q. He was the only suitable replacement for Llewelyn.

    I'm annoyed cleese isn't coming back too. He was great and this new guy (young, serious) doesn't sound great.
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    Judi Dench`s M worries me, a lot. It is possible we may end up with an over acted luvvie fest. I do not want anymore emo moody Bond. I do not want Dench overacting AGAIN.
    I am not convinced about Mendes either.
    Hopefully I will have all my concerns blown out of the water, eh???

    QOS has left a very bad taste....
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    Posts: 1,661
    Breaking news - due to the winter weather, Eon and Sony have decided to rename the film....

    Snowfall!





    :D
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited February 2012 Posts: 2,629
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    It's a pity that DAD were bad, because Halle Berry is not a bad actress.

    Actually, she resoundingly is.

    How she got an Oscar for Monsters Ball is beyond me.

    However, she did manage to get Razzies for Catwoman, which was certainly deserved.
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