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'The Expendables' got me thinking..... (yes this is Bond related)

Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
edited February 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 4,813
Take a movie like The Expendables. Sylvester Stallone is well into his sixties- EX2 will have even more stars that are 'up there'- Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chuck Norris....
This makes Moore in AVTAK not seem so bad doesn't it! Practically a youngster! lol :))
Not many people took issue with the actors ages in The Expendables. Some did, sure, but most people were just so happy to see them on the big screen again.

Yet Moore's 'hanging around too long' is a subject on this board that comes up very often, myself included. I'm wondering, suppose another unofficial Bond film were to be made one day involving a retired OO7, just as in NSNA (but better executed) Maybe the story could involve something so big that MI6 doesn't know how to handle it-- and they need to call BOND.
If it starred TIMOTHY DALTON, or PIERCE BROSNAN..... hell, I'd be first in line!!

In this day in age, do you suppose such a film could work?

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  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
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    If done properly, I'd love to see Dalton return as Bond one last time. Brosnan could be cool also, but I'd rather have another Dalton Bond film
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I brought this up yesterday with the idea that what would Brosnan returning 12 years after he left be like. That would be in 2014 when he is 61, how would his film cope against Bond 24?

    Many felt, it would be a hit and take money but it will not be to the level of the original Bond, Connery coming back. That is something everyone wanted to see.

    No one really wants to see Dalton or Brosnan back.
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    I don't think age is really that big a deal but obvioulsy it something that needs to be addressed in the script instead of just pretending it's not there.

    I think part of the Expendables appeal was seeing a lot of over the hill action stars in the same film!
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited February 2012 Posts: 4,399
    oddly enough..

    Kevin McClory was all set to take his Thunderball rights which he used to make Never Say Never Again, and make "Warhead 2000 AD" in either 1998 or 1999... it was to star Timothy Dalton as Bond, with Connery set to play the villain i believe..... but EON/MGM put a halt to that - and in a court settlement EON won the filming rights to the character James Bond, which sunk any chance of McClory ever getting to make the movie...

    i would go see Dalton suit up as Bond one last time... but i am just part of handful - thus, I think the movie would make some money, but i don't think it would be deemed a success by any margin.... actually, it would more likely fail than succeed.
  • KennonKennon
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    You could of course have a film about a retired secret agent coming back on last time. I he's not called Bond/007 you could sail close to the riffs and still make it. But would that really be original or interesting? Countless heroes coming from retirement, it's a subgenre by now. With Expendables it's a central point of the story, same with Rooster Cockburn. But with Bond the only point would be to see a favourite of the moviegoers coming back. Moore now definitely is beyond that. Dalton or Brosnan wouldn't draw the people. Apart from that I doubt either one would be up for a production to rival EON's. Dalton is practically family and Brosnan not angry enough despite his often critical comments.
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
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    HASEROT wrote:
    i would go see Dalton suit up as Bond one last time... but i am just part of handful - thus, I think the movie would make some money, but i don't think it would be deemed a success by any margin.... actually, it would more likely fail than succeed.

    I guess if Dalton would return, it would really be for the Bond fans. Look around this forum, I've never really seen anybody bash Dalton. Now, maybe I just haven't looked hard enough, but I find Dalton is at least the least hated Bond of all (Except Connery, who is untouchable). So, I think fans would love the return of Dalton for one more film!

    However, mainstream audiences either don't remember him, or now him as 'the one that only did two' or (like my mom) 'the one that was to soft for Bond, but acted so good in Wuthering Hights' (see went on to say that his eyes where to soft, so he wasn't believable in the dark Bond setting :P).
    They would most likely respond more positively to the return of Brosnan and a lighter Bond, a Bond feeling they feel is the real Bond (DAD still get's 4 stars in my Tv-Guide everytime it's on. Reviewer says it's "A Bond with all the classic ingredients")

    So, maybe a bit too much detail, but that gives you a view of Bond fan vs Mainstream audiences, and what I think they'd respond to.

  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Good call on the general audiences perception of Dalton @BondWillReturn. I think it's very accurate what you said. However he may have a little bit more going for him with the younger folks, having been extremely popular in Hot Fuzz and Chuck (I still need to watch Chuck-- caught a glimpse of Dalton on Youtube and he was hilarious!)
    'Being made just for the fan's is right on the money. It's really the only way such a movie would work in this case. I'd hate to suggest it, but perhaps the only way it could be made is if rather than the theatre, maybe it could be one of those big budget TV movies. They can really make an event out of those when they want to. But sadly, I'm only daydreaming :(
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    BondWillReturn wrote:
    I guess if Dalton would return, it would really be for the Bond fans. Look around this forum, I've never really seen anybody bash Dalton. Now, maybe I just haven't looked hard enough, but I find Dalton is at least the least hated Bond of all (Except Connery, who is untouchable). So, I think fans would love the return of Dalton for one more film!

    I'm always bashing Dalton. I thought I was becoming tiresome..turns out no one bothers to read what I write. ;)
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    This is from Chuck-
    he looks GREAT and I even like his short hair!

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Dalton is aging well... i remember seeing him in Hot Fuzz and thinking "he could still pull off Bond." lol.... but that aside I love seeing him in stuff - i almost squee'd like a fangirl would when i heard his voice as Mr Pricklepants in Toy Story 3 lol.
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
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    I am now totally convinced Dalton could pull of one last (unofficial) Bond film, with him as an older agent, maybe a "last job" type of deal.

    Bond Tv-Film with Dalton sounds pretty good, and might be more realistic than a theatrical release. With the quality those things have these days, it could totally rock!
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Looks like that Dalton looks better Now than when he made Bond films.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    That's a very valid argument! You may be right! I think his hairdo in the Bond films is a bit poofy and 80's looking. It forever dates the films unfortunately. Maybe he should have had short hair in his films.
    I'll say this much: I'll be very lucky if I age like Dalton!
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    Like most others I would defo like to see Tim Dalton (muchmore of a man than Mel Gibson!) return and do one more. He looks in alot better shape than Rog Moore did in his last 2 or 3 films esp, AVTAK! If given a choice would prefer to see Dalton again ahead of Brosnan.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited February 2012 Posts: 12,837
    I'd love to see dalton play some sort of spy again, even if its not bond. He was the best bond ever. I heard quentin tarantino was considering a british spy film, maybe dalton can be the lead guy???
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
    edited February 2012 Posts: 816
    Tarantino + British + Spy + Dalton = AWESOME !

    Although, knowing Tarantino, it'll probably be inspired by those '70s spy films, and star Pierce Brosnan (who he wanted to work with on Casino Royale)

    EDIT:

    Looks like Tarantino already has his cast and story picked:
    http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/719321-tarantino-plans-british-spy-movie
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited February 2012 Posts: 401
    Dalton should come back as some type of spy. I would prefer James Bond, but I don't see that happening.
  • KennonKennon
    Posts: 297
    You guys know that Dalton did play a spy again (American CIA though) in the adaption of Follett's Lie Down with Lions?

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    An almost 70 Dalton in a rogue Bond film? He looks good for his age, no doublt, but that's quite a strain for someone his age. It's not really fair to expect him to go through that again now. Not only that, but Dalton has a rare degree of respect for the series to do something like a rogue film.

    Let's not forget that he turned the role down not because it was beneath him, not because the money or the character, but because he felt he wasn't old or experienced enough. However, if back in the 1990's EON were somehow able to make a second Bond film alongside GE, TND or TWINE, then I would not have objected to Dalton returning.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    BondWillReturn wrote:

    Although, knowing Tarantino, it'll probably be inspired by those '70s spy films, and star Pierce Brosnan (who he wanted to work with on Casino Royale)

    Brosnan with CR? Although nice, would be very strange, as the series has Rebooted, we really needed a new Bond.
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
    edited February 2012 Posts: 816
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    Brosnan with CR? Although nice, would be very strange, as the series has Rebooted, we really needed a new Bond.

    Yeah, but this was before all that. When it came out EON owned the rights to CR again, Tarantino lobbied hard to directed (and write?) it. He wanted to make it a period piece, set in the 50's or 60's, starring Pierce Brosnan.
    But the producers didn't like the idea, or they didn't think Tarantino's style would work well on a Bond film.

    And I think they are right, Tarantino's vision wouldn't work as an officail EON 007 flick, but as a rogue project.... I'd love to see Tarantino's vision of Bond. He'd probably have brought it back to the core elements.

    EDIT: On an OFF-TOPIC note: I love how this simple thread is spreading it's wings so well, from our opinions on a rogue Bond project, to the general view of Bond and it's actors, to discussing little-know histories of the franchise! Lots better than all those threads where we just go 'round and 'round discussion the same old stuff in diffrent words! These sort of threads, these ways of sharing opinions and information are the reason I love this forum!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,756
    BondWillReturn wrote:
    Yeah, but this was before all that. When it came out EON owned the rights to CR again, Tarantino lobbied hard to directed (and write?) it. He wanted to make it a period piece, set in the 50's or 60's, starring Pierce Brosnan.
    But the producers didn't like the idea, or they didn't think Tarantino's style would work well on a Bond film.

    A Norwegian Bond-site did an April Fools'-joke about Tarantino acquireing the rights to do this project, if i remember correctly -due to the same legal troubles that made it possible to make NSNA. Aside from being a joke, a part of me still want to see Tarantino do a spy film - even more so as a period piece.
  • karatemanchan37karatemanchan37
    Posts: 584
    If Sean, Roger, Timothy or Pierce really wants to do the "retired-spy back in action" movie type, then no doubt they can do it originally with there own character - it may channel Bond, but it can't be him. Their names carry enough star baggage to headline the spy story, so it can be creative and free for directors while still retaining Bond-like qualities.
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