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I appreciate it very much that QOS is a totally different kind of film from CR.
In my book both CR and QOS are splendid films.
QoS is much more of a mixed bag. The editing was a disaster and scenes seem truncated, but there are some scenes that are almost as powerful as those in CR (the weird Greene/Camille scene at the dock, pretty much anything with Mathis, the scene with M at the hotel where she trusts Bond, and the last two scenes). With a tighter script, this could have been a worthy follow-up--not as good as CR with its definitive and tragic ending, but close enough.
If QoS works better than it should, it is largely due to Craig's performance.
I have high hopes for Skyfall. I doubt they attracted Bardem--who is at the height of his career--unless they had a good script first.
I disagree that it felt more like a Bond movie than CR. I got quite a shock with CR when it first came out but now I find it has a classy feel overall whereas Quantum has a very gritty generic atmosphere. It is nice that Forster put effort into making his own stamp but I don't feel it's the right one.
I don't believe the action was in place of acting, There was a good interwining of both.
But was it QOS that made you doubt Craig?
That's a good way of thinking about it! But they would've had to change a lot to bring it up to 'Bond standard'.
A good point, but don't forget what happened when Craig was announced. What's interesting is that both DAD->CR and QOS->SF will have a 4 yr break, not to mention LTK->GE. The latter film did a lot better in both cases.
What if Harry Potter was written by a different author each time, or if Star Wars had a different director each time?
But QOS hasn't made me like CR less, or craig. But it hasn't made me like craig more either (something I'm hoping skyfall will do), so right now craigs in the middle on my list of best to worst bonds.
Quoted for truth!
QOS is a painful collection of missed opportunities. It isn't bad - you're absolutely right about that - but it could have been good considering the ingredients they had.
Right - agreed - exactly! We see too little, I'm hardly involved. It moves so fast, I'm taken out of the film with almost every cut. We see, but not enough to watch. We hear, but not enough to listen.
If we are to disagree about something, it has to be this. I don't think I could cope with flashbacks in a Bond film. As far as Vesper is concerned, they went about as far as they should have, at least IMO.
She came and went with an almost blink-and-miss effect. I started a thread about her short appearance several months ago. Please add further thoughts there, if you like that is. ;-)
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/770/fields-who-is-she#Item_4
As for Star Wars, the good ones all had different directors.
It made CR a litle bit better. From 4/10 to 6/10. This because of Mathis in specialy. QOS in my opnion closer to Bond then CR. From CR i dislike the things what stay far a way from Bond, in specialy for a intruction of a new actor. QOS is amazing in the production design and cinematography. The 60's style. Also Daniel Craig be good in QOS.
QOS iggest problem the need of CR. Also the over analyzing QOS to fast what can created after more views dislike it more. Kind of the same effect if you watch Goldfingers his farm over and over again. One of the reasen's why CR, GF and Moonraker one of my disliked movies. So what happend then is you picked the good things and judge it on those things. There is possible QOS wil later judge as les then LTK, Yolt or Dr No.
Skyfall with possible realy be the first Daniel Craig Bond who get a standalone opnion and we only look back what we think about Daniel Craig.
I only see one moment in QOS where can yused Flashbacks of Vesper where Mr White talking. The scene's with Mathis are nice to see, but like the end not the moment to look back to Vesper with flashbacks. QOS going about a naive M and her relation with Bond and the other way around & Quantum. I believe Vesper story (Vesper/Dominic Legacy) is not end yet, the hints of the Vesper remembers who be in QOS wil contune. I can't wait to see Camile return. It wil take to 2014, but enough time for P&W/Eon to think about and in the Connery era it also take a whyle before Blofeld be seen and if you ask me there have wait til OHMSS. Bond 24 wil be what FRWL did with Dr No, but then Dr No is Skyfall. Flashbacks of Vesper stil can happen in Bond 24 or Bond 25.
Craig is the most intense Bond actor with the most convincing facial expressions. He bring enough physicality for this Post-Bourne era of action movies. In short, he's my personal favorite and second-best Bond behind Sean.
QOS is a damn good movie, just not as good as CR or SF. It doesn't ruin Craig for me. The same way the relative weakness of YOLT and DAF didn't ruin Connery for me.
Good point. Rog and Sean both had duds (Rog more so) but it doesn't detract from my appreciation of them as Bond. I feel the same way with DC - I don't necessarily like all his films, but I appreciate what he brings to the role.
I enjoy it more now but I still think it wasn't great and I do think it'll forever be the black sheep of the Craig era.
QOS had absolutely zero effect on my view on CR. It's still one of the very finest of Bond films even as a reboot because it's such a well constructed update on the novel loaded with top notch acting, Bond girls, villains, locations, music, the list is endless.
QOS itself, well I agree wholeheartedly that it's a letdown overall and CR was certainly going to be a tough act to follow. But it does do a lot of things right in it's second half, much like Octopussy rights a lot of it's wrongs during it's first half, and still manages to address the questions that a sequel is supposed to do. Other than "wow, it's already over?" I still left the theater feeling that I got the answers I wanted and while being a film that's still a mixed bag for me I found it to be more satisfying than quite a few other films in the series that came from Connery, Moore, and Brosnan. Indeed the "black sheep" of the Craig tenure to date, but less his fault compared to the above mentioned actors as I can at least say Craig did everything in his power and went way above the call of duty as the lead actor to help the film.