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  • edited December 2014 Posts: 4,619
    I very much doubt they would rewrite the ending even if the real one leaks. 1. If they have an ending they are completely happy with, it would be really hard for them to write a new one. 2. No matter how much of the story leaks, 99% of the moviegoers will watch the movie without knowing anything about the story. (Back in 2012 before the releae of Skyfall just about every Bond fan knew that Eve = Moneypenny but when I watched the movie on its opening day in London, the audience was completely shocked after the reveal.)
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 4,622
    I think its safe to say the script is done. I am not sure the horrible ending that has been leaked is a lock ie Bond tosses gun in river. MP tells him to get a life etc, pouring rain, downerville...but yes it could be just a way to allow Mendes to make his exit and get out.
    @risico, there can be a B25, no problem.
    Bring in another non-drama director and we could rejuvenate Bond and get him back on mission minus personal drama, if Craig would allow such a thing.
    Criaig might just quit after SP though if this movie really is about tying up the whole, who was really behind the Vesper saga.
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    Also, I'm calling it now: SPECTRE will be Daniel Craig's last Bond film. They could do more with him but SPECTRE seems like a very conclusiony film in terms of story and character arc.
    Yeah, the ending definitely seems like a conclusion of the story started with CR. I'm starting to think Mendes refused to direct this movie initially only becasue the producers wanted a two-part conclusion but Mendes wanted to direct only one more Bond film.


    Yes, like I said. I never thought, there would be a connection between 24 and 25. Mendes won't do 25. Period.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    Also, I'm calling it now: SPECTRE will be Daniel Craig's last Bond film. They could do more with him but SPECTRE seems like a very conclusiony film in terms of story and character arc.

    That's a huge call. I thought Craig had already committed to B25 when he signed on for B24 (after his original 3 film contract expired with SF)?

    That's true but then Bond 24 and 25 was originally meant to be one story but Mendes scrapped this idea so maybe they renegotiated Craig's contract after this.

    @Risico007
    I think Bond 25 will be another reboot. Not another origin story, Bond will be experienced and all the MI6 regulars will already be there, but there will be a new Bond actor, M, Q, Moneypenny, etc, and no mention of the Craig films.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Well if you're correct @thelivingroyale, then it's time to
    resurrect a 'who's next for James Bond' thread.

    Personally, although I know it will never happen and he's difficult to work with, I'm all for Christian Bale. Always thought he should have been the man before he was taken for Batman.
  • Sandy wrote: »
    If the leaks are real, then they concern old versions of the script. We must remember they were not satisfied with the story Logan wrote and brought back Purvis and Wade, and then the other guy I can't remember the name for the final polish. There may be things that didn't change but I bet a lot did.

    I was talking to @antovolk about it and he seems to be reliable and in the know. Apparently there have been some changes (something I read in the leaks that really shocked me has now been cut from the script) but a lot of it is still in there.

    @Germanlady The thing about the ending though is that it is, without wanting to spoil anything, the natural conclusion. What the whole film seems to build towards. Changing it just to spite the hackers would be a bad move imo because we could be left with an ending that doesn't really fit.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Will Spectre only appear in this film? Are they gonna finish up all the story lines of the Craig era, or will this big evil organization continue in Bond 25 with a new actor if Craig doesn't return?
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Also, I'm calling it now: SPECTRE will be Daniel Craig's last Bond film. They could do more with him but SPECTRE seems like a very conclusiony film in terms of story and character arc.
    Yeah, the ending definitely seems like a conclusion of the story started with CR. I'm starting to think Mendes refused to direct this movie initially only becasue the producers wanted a two-part conclusion but Mendes wanted to direct only one more Bond film.


    Yes, like I said. I never thought, there would be a connection between 24 and 25. Mendes won't do 25. Period.

    Having not read the leaks, but reading this forum (and reading between the lines), the suggested conclusion to SP seems (to me) perfectly natural in terms of Bond's (Craig's) journey so far. Bond 25 might explore elements still unused from Fleming's YOLT novel, and perhaps that was the basic link Logan proposed between Bond 24 and 25. Gold for script writers.

  • @DaltonCraig007 I'll tell you but tbh I'd recommend just waiting for the film because I regret ruining this for myself already. I'm going to talk about the plot of the film now so read on at your own risk...
    At the end of the film Bond kills Blofeld, destroying SPECTRE. SPECTRE are apparently behind Quantum and also Silva, it's all linked together, so this film will finish up all the storylines of the Craig era.

    Also, Bond quits MI6 at the end of the film, throws his gun in the river and drives off. So I'm assuming there will be a new actor, unless they do a Bond coming out of retirement story for the next one. But the problem with that is, SPECTRE links all the previous Craig films together and finishes that story. Another Craig movie after this could seem a bit tacked on imo.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Eh? I'm willing to bet any amount that Craig will fulfil his contractual obligation and return for Bond 25.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @DaltonCraig007 I'll tell you but tbh I'd recommend just waiting for the film because I regret ruining this for myself already. I'm going to talk about the plot of the film now so read on at your own risk...
    At the end of the film Bond kills Blofeld, destroying SPECTRE. SPECTRE are apparently behind Quantum and also Silva, it's all linked together, so this film will finish up all the storylines of the Craig era.

    Also, Bond quits MI6 at the end of the film, throws his gun in the river and drives off. So I'm assuming there will be a new actor, unless they do a Bond coming out of retirement story for the next one. But the problem with that is, SPECTRE links all the previous Craig films together and finishes that story. Another Craig movie after this could seem a bit tacked on imo.

    Again, to me, it's the TDKR element to your speculation that makes it somewhat plausible. It would all make sense and come together, just like TDKR does.
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    @Germanlady The thing about the ending though is that it is, without wanting to spoil anything, the natural conclusion. What the whole film seems to build towards. Changing it just to spite the hackers would be a bad move imo because we could be left with an ending that doesn't really fit.

    OK, makes sense and like its been said, 99% of the moviegoes won't have an idea.

    I suppose, its as it always was, a contract is tomorrows *** paper. DC will stay for 25, if Spectre is making enough money. If its a disappointment, he will reconsider his involvement in the next as will the rest of the bunch. Barbara sure won't be keen to let him go - ever. But it surely has nothing to do with this being a one or two parter. DC himself always says, that beyond the next, he can't see.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Wow, seems very dark. SPECTRE could very well be the best Bond movie by a huge margin if they do this right. Will be a very tough act to follow, both for the next Bond and the film that comes after that.
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    @DaltonCraig007 I'll tell you but tbh I'd recommend just waiting for the film because I regret ruining this for myself already. I'm going to talk about the plot of the film now so read on at your own risk...
    At the end of the film Bond kills Blofeld, destroying SPECTRE. SPECTRE are apparently behind Quantum and also Silva, it's all linked together, so this film will finish up all the storylines of the Craig era.

    Also, Bond quits MI6 at the end of the film, throws his gun in the river and drives off. So I'm assuming there will be a new actor, unless they do a Bond coming out of retirement story for the next one. But the problem with that is, SPECTRE links all the previous Craig films together and finishes that story. Another Craig movie after this could seem a bit tacked on imo.
    . Are you sure Bond kills Blofeld at end. If so that precludes what @colonelsun was suggesting for a Yolt type follow-up.

  • bondjames wrote: »
    Also, I'm calling it now: SPECTRE will be Daniel Craig's last Bond film. They could do more with him but SPECTRE seems like a very conclusiony film in terms of story and character arc.

    That's a huge call. I thought Craig had already committed to B25 when he signed on for B24 (after his original 3 film contract expired with SF)?

    That's true but then Bond 24 and 25 was originally meant to be one story but Mendes scrapped this idea so maybe they renegotiated Craig's contract after this.

    @Risico007
    I think Bond 25 will be another reboot. Not another origin story, Bond will be experienced and all the MI6 regulars will already be there, but there will be a new Bond actor, M, Q, Moneypenny, etc, and no mention of the Craig films.

    It's too early to tell that.
    I 'm sure that producers have a faith in Craig so he'll be in Bond 25

  • edited December 2014 Posts: 9,859
    like i said it's extremly bold and if it works it will be brilliant and amazing... I have absolutley no problem with the dark ending .... Much like Casino Quantum and even Skyfall Spectre's ending leaves me wanting more a tone more in fact

    Though I kind of dont want a reboot soft or hard for bond 25...
  • @timmer
    Pretty sure, I swear I remember reading about it in the leaked images. Besides, I don't think Blofeld living and a YOLT type follow up taking place would make sense in the context of the film. At the end of the film Bond retires, quits MI6, throws his gun away, he finally gets a life like Moneypenny told him too.

    Maybe you could have Blofeld live, and have Bond go after him in the next film (as a rogue agent since he's retired) but then that wouldn't make sense. Bond throwing his gun away is symbolic, he's finally moving on from being a spy and going to live a normal life. Having him do that, then go after Blofeld, would be dumb imo. It wouldn't really work.

    So I think Blofeld will die. I'm pretty sure it says so in the leaks anyway.
  • Posts: 4,622
    What's maddening is that this
    . Is that this whole new Spectre story, created to tie up the whole Vesper story from CR was not needed at all.
    The CR story was nicely tied up with QoS, and even that conclusion was arguably not needed.
    Re-visiting the CR story yet again is piling drama upon drama.
    All that needed resolution really was some winding down of Quantum as an organization.
    I was hoping SP might be re-launch of sorts to bring in Blofeld and Spectre as recurring nemesis.

    Instead we get Spectre doubled down (wasted) as excuse to continue the never ending drama which drove the last two films.

    And to think the ending of SF held such promise .

    if the ending is as described and it probably is, then Craig should really just quit . Old dog done.

    4 film story arc done.

    As an aside, was it really needed to rewrite Fleming's OP with Dexter Smythe no longer as Hans Oberhauser's killer, assuming that's how things play out!?
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    timmer wrote: »
    What's maddening is that this
    . Is that this whole new Spectre story, created to tie up the whole Vesper story from CR was not needed at all.
    The CR story was nicely tied up with QoS, and even that conclusion was arguably not needed.
    Re-visiting the CR story yet again is piling drama upon drama.
    All that needed resolution really was some winding down of Quantum as an organization.
    I was hoping SP might be re-launch of sorts to bring in Blofeld and Spectre as recurring nemesis.

    Instead we get Spectre doubled down (wasted) as excuse to continue the never ending drama which drove the last two films.

    And to think the ending of SF held such promise .

    if the ending is as described and it probably is, then Craig should really just quit . Old dog done.

    4 film story arc done.

    As an aside, was it really needed to rewrite Fleming's OP with Dexter Smythe no longer as Hans Oberhauser's killer, assuming that's how things play out!?
    my issue is solely with rewriting Fleming's history... I don't mind the tie up of the past 3 films if done correctly I do mind if it is done poorly again it is about how Mendes and comapny finish it and all this could be completely different now or it could be exactly the same we will know in a year from now. MY hope is that if they want this added drama Smythe was hired by Franz to kill his dad even that would be ok as the inital motivation of greed never sat well with me as Hans wasn't exactly the center of moralness.

  • Reading this thread, it would seem:
    The Dark Knight was the template for Skyfall, The Dark Knight Rises for SPECTRE. (Latter observation made by others above)
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    @risico sure that could work ...Smythe as hired to do the deed
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 3,164
    Reading this thread, it would seem:
    The Dark Knight was the template for Skyfall, The Dark Knight Rises for SPECTRE. (Latter observation made by others above)
    precisely my thoughts when I first saw the leaks
    timmer wrote: »
    What's maddening is that this
    . Is that this whole new Spectre story, created to tie up the whole Vesper story from CR was not needed at all.
    The CR story was nicely tied up with QoS, and even that conclusion was arguably not needed.
    Re-visiting the CR story yet again is piling drama upon drama.
    All that needed resolution really was some winding down of Quantum as an organization.
    I was hoping SP might be re-launch of sorts to bring in Blofeld and Spectre as recurring nemesis.

    Instead we get Spectre doubled down (wasted) as excuse to continue the never ending drama which drove the last two films.

    And to think the ending of SF held such promise .

    if the ending is as described and it probably is, then Craig should really just quit . Old dog done.

    4 film story arc done.

    As an aside, was it really needed to rewrite Fleming's OP with Dexter Smythe no longer as Hans Oberhauser's killer, assuming that's how things play out!?
    I don't think they are going to be necessarily hinging on Vesper/Quantum/Silva story to be resolved in this film outside of I guess references/mentions, this is just revealing that SPECTRE was behind this at most I reckon. This is what one of the leaked notes said if you read them again, they want SPECTRE to present a huge threat that's the main hook/conflict of the story instead of that and the whole adopted brother story, and I assume they have rectified that in the shooting script
  • Posts: 4,622
    BTW a dedicated plot spoiler thread has been reopened by mods....the old thread with more focused title.
    Further discussion regarding the leaks as we understand them should probably go there, rather than clutter up this more general thread
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    Good idea :)
  • Posts: 6,601
    Maybe there is a bright side to it. It surely gave the movie a kick start. Lots of unexpected promo and the 300 mill budget all over the place. NOW people will want to see it even more.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Maybe there is a bright side to it. It surely gave the movie a kick start. Lots of unexpected promo and the 300 mill budget all over the place. NOW people will want to see it even more.

    It definitely looks to be the most ambitious Bond ever with number of location and in terms of story, presenting a big threat and bringing back a big foe as well as bringing everything full circle from last 3 films.

    As for plot details, reminds me of Interstellar 2008 draft leaking, surprising amount of elements such as act 1 and actually the very very end/coda kept the same, but act 2 and most of main part of act 3 completely different. People didn't care that much.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 12,526
    Whatever is true or not? The only question you really need to ask yourselves is this! Will any of this stop you from going to see the movie next year?
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    NO :D
  • Posts: 12,526
    Exactly my friend, exactly.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Whatever is true or not? The only question you really need to ask yourselves is this! Will of this stop you from going to see the movie next year?

    Of course not. The more I know or think I know, the better, for opening night.
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