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I agree! I've always thought IMDB rankings were far too outlandish. Too focused on the average movie viewer instead of actually giving the movie what it deserves.
Seriously, I have wiped life-forms off the bottom of my shoe that possess greater wit and intelligence than some of the contributors to IMDB's boards.
I think that IMDb is better than RT because it shows that nothing is perfect, but RT gives movies 100%, they are amazing movies but not perfect
Some things to note right off the bat:
* It's hard for a movie to get over an 8 on IMDB and near-impossible to get over a 9.
* And that's fine. Different people have a right to different opinions.
* Film buffs are more critical and care about storywriting and other technical things
* Bond fans are more lenient because we really enjoy the series
* Bond movies vary greatly in popularity and hype
* There's different amounts of voters, and demographics, with each movie.
As for my personal opinions on what the scores should be in my little perfect world:
1) Casino Royale- 7.9, (2) Goldfinger- 7.8
I'd give them the 8 but this is pretty fair.
(3) From Russia with Love- 7.5
(4) Dr. No- 7.3
FRWL Is fair. I'd bump Dr. No to near 7.6 though.
(5) TIE GoldenEye- 7.1
(6) TIE The Spy Who Loved Me- 7.1
(7) Thunderball- 7.0
All fair scores. First two are well made but unoriginal. Third is original but with questionable decisions in the filmmaking.
(8) You Only Live Twice- 6.9
(9) TIE On Her Majesty's Secret Service- 6.8
YOLT could at least be an early 7. OHMSS is definitely at least a 7 ; definitely some bias against Lazenby.
(10) TIE Live and Let Die- 6.8
(11) TIE For Your Eyes Only
(12) TIE Quantum of Solace
Okay I understand these. I love QOS but I understand it's definitely not for everyone. LALD I really enjoy but I can see where people find it corny and stupid. FYEO does rank on the fair side of average.
(13) TIE Diamonds Are Forever- 6.7
(14) TIE The Man with the Golden Gun- 6.7
(15) The Living Daylights- 6.6
(16) TIE Octopussy- 6.5
(17) TIE License to Kill- 6.5
Oh HELL NO!!!!!! Connery's worst movie edges out Dalton's two movies purely because of popularity contest. I think Golden Gun over Octopussy, to a degree, does come down to Golden Gun being earlier in Moore's filmography and more memorable.
(18) Tomorrow Never Dies- 6.4
(19) The World is not Enough- 6.3
(20) A View to a Kill- 6.2
(21) Moonraker- 6.1
(22) Die Another Day- 6.0
Understandable. IMDB voters have a nice way of balancing things out because they're only a few decimal points apart from the bunch above them.
Skyfall got a 7.8 and Spectre got 6.8
I agree with both respective scores personally. I originally was upset they both had inflated scores above most other Bond movies but eventually they got sorted out.
Casino Royale - 8.0
Goldfinger - 8.0
Skyfall - 7.7
Dr. No - 7.6
From Russia with Love - 7.5
License to Kill - 7.4
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7.3
The Living Daylights - 7.3
You Only Live Twice - 7.2
GoldenEye - 7.1
The Spy Who Loved Me - 7.1
Thunderball - 7.0
Octopussy - 6.9
Live and Let Die - 6.8
For Your Eyes Only - 6.8
Quantum of Solace - 6.8
Spectre - 6.7
The Man with the Golden Gun - 6.5
Tomorrow Never Dies - 6.4
The World is not Enough - 6.3
Diamonds Are Forever - 6.3
A View to a Kill - 6.2
Moonraker - 6.1
Die Another Day - 6.0
It's worth noting that most films in general are rated under an 8 on IMDB. This is because they include negative reviews, but the fact that the many haters on the internet with the bitter 1/10 reviews were only able to knock down movies a little bit is a blessing. I think people on IMDB just like movies in general.
The highest rated movie on IMDB is a 9. Being an 8.1 or over puts you in the top 250 movies of all time, among thousands of them. I don't think more than a small handful Bond movies should be in the top 250 because there are a lot of movies out there and all genres should be properly represented.
1. Casino Royale - 8.0
2. Goldfinger - 7.8
2. Skyfall - 7.8
4. From Russia With Love - 7.5
5. Dr. No - 7.3
6. GoldenEye - 7.2
7. The Spy Who Loved Me - 7.1
8. Thunderball - 7.0
9. You Only Live Twice - 6.9
10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 6.8
10. Live and Let Die - 6.8
10. The Man with the Golden Gun - 6.8
10. For Your Eyes Only - 6.8
10. Spectre - 6.8
15. Diamonds Are Forever - 6.7
15. The Living Daylights - 6.7
17. Octopussy - 6.6
17. Licence to Kill - 6.6
17. Quantum of Solace - 6.6
20. Tomorrow Never Dies - 6.5
21. The World Is Not Enough - 6.4
22. Moonraker - 6.3
22. A View to a Kill - 6.3
24. Die Another Day - 6.1
DN
FRWL
GF
TSWLM
GE
CR
SF
it shows what I long said, besides the Connery trilogy, it's only TSWLM and GE of the "older" films that stays in the highest heights in public general opinion.
CR will join that club undoubtably with an 8.0 rating.
SF may drop, but will stay in the 7.x range as well.
Still they are too new to be finally judged.
THE SPY WHO LOVED ME and GOLDENEYE are the true classics since the Connery days.
Nothing else compares really in terms of the pop culture impact those two films had.
* CR is constantly fighting to be an 8 and it's there again.
* The top 7 are exactly the same (CR, GF, SF, FRWL, DN, GE, TSWLM)
* Bottom 5 (DAD, AVTAK, MR, TWINE, TND) each went up very slightly
* QOS dipped down a little bit.
Also removing the 10s and 1s is proving very interesting.
No film deserves a 1 or a 10 but many people carelessly give such ratings.
License to Kill for example.
6% gave it a 10.
5% gave it a 9.
15% gave it an 8.
30% gave it a 7.
25% gave it a 6.
10% gave it a 5.
<9% gave it 4 and under
Men only rated 0.1 more than women.
Younger people preferred it 0.2-0.4 more than older people
Only 11 females under 18 watched it, and they gave it 5.6
Top 1000 voters gave it a 6.2, so more experienced people didn't like it.
In this case it doesn't seem like a hijacking from immature people. It just seems like some loved it, some hated it, many thought it was good and many thought it was just alright.
I looked up the data for On Her Majesty's Secret Service just now and the patterns are very similar to LTK.
Look at Casino Royale and look what happens if you omit under 18 for instance. Quite telling. Also the Top 1000 user rating is 7.4
The lowest 15 !! critics of Spectre 50% or less are all American based.
All the important British critics gave Spectre rave reviews.
It just distorts reality. Spectre is way more popular than sites like IMDB or Metacritic would suggest.
Any credibility I was willing to pretend this list had has vanished into thin air.
And LTK, OHMSS, LALD and TLD.
And TWINE, QOS, TND, and AVTAK!
*facepalms self*
+1.
I don't really have a problem with this list. It is how I expected the general public to rank the films for the most part. All the big hitters are up where they should be. Only YOLT is higher than expected, but then again, it perhaps was quite an impressive film when it came out.
If you look at the votes more precisely, you will find that actually very few people give only 1 point. So only 1.3% gave OHMSS 1 point and 1.1% 2 points. Hence the low voting is not caused by the many outlliers but by an overall worse perception compared to Bond fans. The Median is also only 7.0. Hence the average voter only gives this film a 7/10.
Votes Percentage Rating
5384 8.7% 10
5001 8.1% 9
10473 17.0% 8
17665 28.6% 7
12198 19.8% 6
5815 9.4% 5
2474 4.0% 4
1194 1.9% 3
682 1.1% 2
796 1.3% 1
Arithmetic mean = 6.9. Median = 7
I also find it interesting how close the overall public regards the Bond films. All films are between 6,0 and 8,0. And the majority is even somewhere between 6,0 and 6,7.
It is like one herd of sheep running around with the same opinion. If you respectfully disagree they will tell you you don't know anything about films, while they are in fact the ones just repeating what the other cyclops say.
That's why Laz/Tim aren't doing so well. They are not generally praised by anyone safe for Bond fans and a few enlightened souls.
The movie industry is meant to make money there are great movies that are made with love and most actors participating earn their big salaries doing stuff the general audiences prefer. Men like John Cusack have always honestly admitted this and there is nothing wrong with that.
Do I care if some people rate a film 1 or 10 just to throw off the ratings? Not really, just as much as I don't really care how people around here rate the films. This is also a Bond specific forum and passions will run high on any given film or any ranking that doesn't coalesce with the "Bond norm". Taking offence to the rating or ranking is a bit of hyperbole, even though the credibility of said ranking is a group rating and not reflective of the Bond community, which obviously rates the films quite differently. It's all about perspective and being part of an exclusive forum vs. one that caters to all movies and a more mainstream community that doesn't necessarily possess the same passion for Bond.