2 Questions about Bond.

X3MSonicX

Oh well i've been asking myself these days 2 short questions about 007, so I guess u guys could help.

(almost) Every 00 Agent may have a family, and things like that. And for that, he will need some pay for that.
Then, 1st question is: How much a 00 agent like Bond does earns per each threat he neutralizes?

Well, IMO I think Bond doesn't lives in MI-6, so in Bond movies/books does has any leads of where does Bond lives on, and nobody knows?

actonsteve

The Bond of the books had a small private income but was paid by MI6 to the job. But he was motivated by duty and patriotism and a high salary which allowed him to live the good life. He certainly wasn't paid per scalp he brought in.

Samuel001

It's worth adding Bond lives in his Chelsea flat (which can still be found today) and has a Scottish housekeeper called May.

X3MSonicX

Interesting... Well, if it would be transfer to the movies, for the work he does, he should earn like 25k dolars each mission, and IMO stills a little small cash yet.

And his house.. Well, that is a great place for living, and no villains have ever suspicious for that.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

X3MSonicX wrote:

Interesting... Well, if it would be transfer to the movies, for the work he does, he should earn like 25k dolars each mission, and IMO stills a little small cash yet.

And his house.. Well, that is a great place for living, and no villains have ever suspicious for that.

25k a mission! HAHA. I'm sorry, but agents that are put in the field get paid very little for all their effort or suffering. If we are talking about the real world here.

MrEon

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:

X3MSonicX wrote:

Interesting... Well, if it would be transfer to the movies, for the work he does, he should earn like 25k dolars each mission, and IMO stills a little small cash yet.

And his house.. Well, that is a great place for living, and no villains have ever suspicious for that.

25k a mission! HAHA. I'm sorry, but agents that are put in the field get paid very little for all their effort or suffering. If we are talking about the real world here.

Real world..... Do agents live in the real world, and if so....I think I maybe an agent as I put in a lot of "effort" and i'm "suffering"..!!!! =))

X3MSonicX

lol i know but i meant a Job like Bond does, not like the Real agents. These ones, i really don't know their earns.
Complementing.. because, the price that costs for what Bond makes is very uncalculable.

thelordflasheart

I seem to remember reading in the 1990's that the Bond of the books would earn roughly $75,000 per year salary from his job at MI6 (not sure what that would be equivilant to today). He also earned roughly the same per year from his late parents' estate so roughly $150K per year in US dollars at the time. That's enough to live well but not extravagantly. Often times in the books Bond is described as wearing an older suit or having a suitcase that is rather worn.

IIRC Fleming said that Bond earned the salary of a top civil servant (which is doubled counting his estate earnings) - anyone have a rough idea of what that would be these days and how much of that would be eaten up by renting that Chelsea flat?

X3MSonicX

maybe today the earnings would be the double.

RC7

I would say that was probably about right. As has been mentioned before, the literary Bond, while indulging in some luxuries never lived the lifestyle of a multi-millionaire. He also made a fair whack at the Casino on more than one occasion, which also helped to top up his income. I would say someone earning around £120-150k a year could probably sustain the lifestyle.

OHMSS69

I would not think that Bond being a civil servant earned enough to support his extravagant lifestyle. He lives like he earns what an NFL QB earns (Eli Manning earned 9 million last year plus 5 mil in endorsements).
No way a civil servant earns this kind of money. CIA operatives, FBI agents, even Mi6 do not earn near what a private contracter in Afganistan or Iraq earns. But then Bond and his world is fantasy so why not glamorize it?

Master_Dahark

Yeah I was always under the impression that Bond not only got paid well enough to live comfortably-- but while 'on the job' he had nearly unlimited funds!
But remember like RC7 said, in his free time, he also regularly scores BIG in the casinos

Getafix

thelordflasheart wrote:

I seem to remember reading in the 1990's that the Bond of the books would earn roughly $75,000 per year salary from his job at MI6 (not sure what that would be equivilant to today). He also earned roughly the same per year from his late parents' estate so roughly $150K per year in US dollars at the time. That's enough to live well but not extravagantly. Often times in the books Bond is described as wearing an older suit or having a suitcase that is rather worn.

IIRC Fleming said that Bond earned the salary of a top civil servant (which is doubled counting his estate earnings) - anyone have a rough idea of what that would be these days and how much of that would be eaten up by renting that Chelsea flat?

A top civil servant could be on quite a lot. Perhaps as much as £200,000 or £300,000.

Kennon

Getafix wrote:

thelordflasheart wrote:

I seem to remember reading in the 1990's that the Bond of the books would earn roughly $75,000 per year salary from his job at MI6 (not sure what that would be equivilant to today). He also earned roughly the same per year from his late parents' estate so roughly $150K per year in US dollars at the time. That's enough to live well but not extravagantly. Often times in the books Bond is described as wearing an older suit or having a suitcase that is rather worn.

IIRC Fleming said that Bond earned the salary of a top civil servant (which is doubled counting his estate earnings) - anyone have a rough idea of what that would be these days and how much of that would be eaten up by renting that Chelsea flat?

A top civil servant could be on quite a lot. Perhaps as much as £200,000 or £300,000.

Not really.

The Prime Minister has announced that he will be taking a salary of £142,500. Cabinet ministers receive a salary of £134,565 (including MP's salary of £65,738). £80,320 (this figure comprises of MP's salary of £65,738 and additional salary for Committee Chairs of £14,582) from 1 April 2010. The Speaker's salary is £141,504 (including MP's salary of £65,738).

The Senior Civil Service (SCS)

Although there are only just over 4,200 of them (around 1% of the total), a good deal of attention is paid each year to the salaries of the SCS. This is because

they are very well paid relative to the taxpaying population at large, and yet
they are very poorly paid relative to their private sector counterparts, even though
their jobs are these days no more secure than those of those same counterparts.

Let's look at each of these factors in turn.

No member of the SCS is on the bread line. The vast majority earn between £57,000 and £100,000 and Permanent Secretaries (heads of department) earn about £140,000.

Further information you can get at the UK Parliament Website http://www.parliament.uk/ and http://www.civilservant.org.uk/pay.shtml

Doubt very much an MI6 agent comes close to these figures. If Bond wanted to earn a lot he'd work for Academi or another mercenary-cutthroat service. Or Quantum or SPECTRE. But that's the appeal of Bond for me, he's not susceptible to bribery and those that are he regards with scorn.

Getafix

The PM's salary doesn't have much to do with it, since it's well known he earns significantly less than the highest paid civil servants.

Getafix

Kennon wrote:

Getafix wrote:

thelordflasheart wrote:

I seem to remember reading in the 1990's that the Bond of the books would earn roughly $75,000 per year salary from his job at MI6 (not sure what that would be equivilant to today). He also earned roughly the same per year from his late parents' estate so roughly $150K per year in US dollars at the time. That's enough to live well but not extravagantly. Often times in the books Bond is described as wearing an older suit or having a suitcase that is rather worn.

IIRC Fleming said that Bond earned the salary of a top civil servant (which is doubled counting his estate earnings) - anyone have a rough idea of what that would be these days and how much of that would be eaten up by renting that Chelsea flat?

A top civil servant could be on quite a lot. Perhaps as much as £200,000 or £300,000.

Not really.

The Prime Minister has announced that he will be taking a salary of £142,500. Cabinet ministers receive a salary of £134,565 (including MP's salary of £65,738). £80,320 (this figure comprises of MP's salary of £65,738 and additional salary for Committee Chairs of £14,582) from 1 April 2010. The Speaker's salary is £141,504 (including MP's salary of £65,738).

The Senior Civil Service (SCS)

Although there are only just over 4,200 of them (around 1% of the total), a good deal of attention is paid each year to the salaries of the SCS. This is because

they are very well paid relative to the taxpaying population at large, and yet
they are very poorly paid relative to their private sector counterparts, even though
their jobs are these days no more secure than those of those same counterparts.

Let's look at each of these factors in turn.

No member of the SCS is on the bread line. The vast majority earn between £57,000 and £100,000 and Permanent Secretaries (heads of department) earn about £140,000.

Further information you can get at the UK Parliament Website http://www.parliament.uk/ and http://www.civilservant.org.uk/pay.shtml

Doubt very much an MI6 agent comes close to these figures. If Bond wanted to earn a lot he'd work for Academi or another mercenary-cutthroat service. Or Quantum or SPECTRE. But that's the appeal of Bond for me, he's not susceptible to bribery and those that are he regards with scorn.

Well, yes, actually.

Since we're getting nerdy about salary figures, take a look at this article. Of course you might question the exact definition of 'civil service', but these guys are on serious wedge - up to £280k a year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/01/top-earning-civil-servants-named

Kennon

Getafix wrote:

Kennon wrote:

Getafix wrote:

thelordflasheart wrote:

I seem to remember reading in the 1990's that the Bond of the books would earn roughly $75,000 per year salary from his job at MI6 (not sure what that would be equivilant to today). He also earned roughly the same per year from his late parents' estate so roughly $150K per year in US dollars at the time. That's enough to live well but not extravagantly. Often times in the books Bond is described as wearing an older suit or having a suitcase that is rather worn.

IIRC Fleming said that Bond earned the salary of a top civil servant (which is doubled counting his estate earnings) - anyone have a rough idea of what that would be these days and how much of that would be eaten up by renting that Chelsea flat?

A top civil servant could be on quite a lot. Perhaps as much as £200,000 or £300,000.

Not really.

The Prime Minister has announced that he will be taking a salary of £142,500. Cabinet ministers receive a salary of £134,565 (including MP's salary of £65,738). £80,320 (this figure comprises of MP's salary of £65,738 and additional salary for Committee Chairs of £14,582) from 1 April 2010. The Speaker's salary is £141,504 (including MP's salary of £65,738).

The Senior Civil Service (SCS)

Although there are only just over 4,200 of them (around 1% of the total), a good deal of attention is paid each year to the salaries of the SCS. This is because

they are very well paid relative to the taxpaying population at large, and yet
they are very poorly paid relative to their private sector counterparts, even though
their jobs are these days no more secure than those of those same counterparts.

Let's look at each of these factors in turn.

No member of the SCS is on the bread line. The vast majority earn between £57,000 and £100,000 and Permanent Secretaries (heads of department) earn about £140,000.

Further information you can get at the UK Parliament Website http://www.parliament.uk/ and http://www.civilservant.org.uk/pay.shtml

Doubt very much an MI6 agent comes close to these figures. If Bond wanted to earn a lot he'd work for Academi or another mercenary-cutthroat service. Or Quantum or SPECTRE. But that's the appeal of Bond for me, he's not susceptible to bribery and those that are he regards with scorn.

Well, yes, actually.

Since we're getting nerdy about salary figures, take a look at this article. Of course you might question the exact definition of 'civil service', but these guys are on serious wedge - up to £280k a year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/01/top-earning-civil-servants-named

Most heads of government earn only modestly if you look at the responsibilities they have to handle. The PM is no exception there.

Naw, I don't question the sources or that a few guys exist that do better than the average SCS. I just think they hold positions closer to M than to Bond. If we forget for the time being that Bond's hypothetical earnings are quite fictional. The point remains that he works where he works out of a sense of duty, not out of greed or for personal gain.

Getafix

Agreed. That's one of the reasons I don't like it when he 'goes rogue'. In my mind it is out of character. Connery always twisted the rules but he never had to go completely off the radar. Seeing Craig running away from the MI6 agents in the hotel in QoS was embarassing.

Going rogue is what CIA agents do, not JB. He knows Her Maj wouldn't be best pleased.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

Getafix wrote:

Going rogue is what CIA agents do, not JB.

Oh the garbage stereotypes people imply, without knowing what truly goes on in the world of intelligence gathering. The cause of seeing too many unhinged spy films that portray the character as a debonair action-man who has all these great adventures on his way to save the day. Bleh. In reality it is all about waiting, where you partake in stakeouts, live disconnected from your family, garner an overall distrust for everyone, become paranoid at the slightest breeze, and getting awards for valor and audacity that you won't even be able to shelf sometimes even after you retire. It is sad to see people wrongly depicting a line of work that is both crucial to the nation under which they serve, and that enlists the services of men and women who truly do expansive work without any recognition. If a CIA mission goes well, we never hear a thing about it, but if it fails, it is on the headlines of all major papers across the world. The only reason to get in that line of work is if you feel no need to live on or your life hadn't gone as planned. At least you can put your maladjusted self to good use and help save lives and get a few man off the streets that are of a dangerous risk. Bond doesn't begin to come into it when it comes to comparing how the job of a spy in the present time really is. No fairytales here.

Getafix

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:

Getafix wrote:

Going rogue is what CIA agents do, not JB.

Oh the garbage stereotypes people imply, without knowing what truly goes on in the world of intelligence gathering. The cause of seeing too many unhinged spy films that portray the character as a debonair action-man who has all these great adventures on his way to save the day. Bleh. In reality it is all about waiting, where you partake in stakeouts, live disconnected from your family, garner an overall distrust for everyone, become paranoid at the slightest breeze, and getting awards for valor and audacity that you won't even be able to shelf sometimes even after you retire. It is sad to see people wrongly depicting a line of work that is both crucial to the nation under which they serve, and that enlists the services of men and women who truly do expansive work without any recognition. If a CIA mission goes well, we never hear a thing about it, but if it fails, it is on the headlines of all major papers across the world. The only reason to get in that line of work is if you feel no need to live on or your life hadn't gone as planned. At least you can put your maladjusted self to good use and help save lives and get a few man off the streets that are of a dangerous risk. Bond doesn't begin to come into it when it comes to comparing how the job of a spy in the present time really is. No fairytales here.

Yawn. Watch the excellent Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy if you want this kind of 'authenticity'. After 22 Bond films have you still failed to realise that the Bond world does not bear much relationship with the realities of espionage?

I was talking about fictional characters and the CIA we see in the movies. American spy films are full of moral corruption and agents being betrayed by or betraying their employers. That's all great and entertaining, especially when you get a film of the quality of Bourne. The point I was making (without actually intending to disparage the real CIA) was that this is out of character for Bond to behave in the same way. The screen Bond is motivated by a sense of duty to Queen and country. He twists the rules and occassionally ignores an order or two, but in the Bond world, it should never be necessary for him to fight his way out of a meeting with M (LTK) or escape the clutches of his fellow MI6 agents (DUD, QoS).

boldfinger

If I remember the Fleming novels correctly, Bond hasn´t got a great regular income but isn´t too keen on it too. He enjoys the simplicity of his live outside the job. And when he´s on a job, he indulges in luxuries paid for by the treasury. So for one part he uses his outdoor jobs as an opportunity to have a holiday paid for by his boss, while for another part he uses the luxury to compensate for the ordeals he has to undergo in order to fulfill his missions.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

boldfinger wrote:

If I remember the Fleming novels correctly, Bond hasn´t got a great regular income but isn´t too keen on it too. He enjoys the simplicity of his live outside the job. And when he´s on a job, he indulges in luxuries paid for by the treasury. So for one part he uses his outdoor jobs as an opportunity to have a holiday paid for by his boss, while for another part he uses the luxury to compensate for the ordeals he has to undergo in order to fulfill his missions.

Very well put.