Skyfall Wins Bond's First Grammy -Make That Two Grammy's

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  • Posts: 4,619
    BAFTA nominations for Casino Royale:
    Best British Film
    Best Actor in a Leading Role
    Best Screenplay - Adapted
    Best Editing
    Best Cinematography
    Best Production Design
    Best Original Music
    Best Achievement in Special Visual Effects
    Best Sound (won)

    BAFTA nominations for Quantum of Solace:
    Best Special Visual Effects
    Best Sound

    BAFTA nominations for Skyfall:
    Best British Film
    Best Actor in a Supporting Role
    Best Actress in a Supporting Role
    Best Editing
    Best Cinematography
    Best Production Design
    Best Original Music
    Best Sound

    Compared to CR: no Best Actor in a Leading Role, no Best Screenplay, no Special Visual Effects, but an acting nomination for Javier Bardem and one for Judi Dench.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Get a bit of perspective please. We are fans on here so we are all going to think SF deserves an award in every category but not everyone in the world is a die hard Bond fan and that goes double for people handing out awards. Just because its ‘taken the UK by storm’ doesn’t mean its necessarily a good film. Is The Avengers going to win any awards? Its not a popularity contest or the sodding X factor.

    Now I know all you members of the ‘SF is the greatest film ever made and we wont tolerate any dissent’ brigade are going to angrily rear up and tell me to leave the thread for being negative but I’ve got news for you: despite making a lot of money and being very competently made SF is not the tour de force of cinema you would have us believe. It is a very slick piece of entertainment and of its genre it’s a very impressive example but just because acting and direction wise it’s light years ahead of DAD and the Rog era doesn’t suddenly make it Bergman.

    Best picture, director and actor were always going to be a tall order. Javier and Judi have as good a chance as anybody as does Deakins and it has to be in with a good shout for Best British Film. Plenty of technical nods also which as a reasonable chance of winning. I’ll be happy with one or two wins in technical categories. If Judi, Javier or Roger can bring home one award between them I’ll be over the moon. If SF walks away with more than one win we should be happy (except Best British film. I’m not counting this as a proper award. Just seems like a bit like the Europa league for those not good enough to get a best picture nod).

    Dry your tears and stop being so childish and spare a thought for all the fans on Batman forums complaining about TDKR getting a paltry one nomination (even a Nolan blockbuster, the gold standard by which many are measuring SF, doesn’t automatically mean awards you see).

    At least this should damp down all the insane Oscar speculation on here. Adele has a good chance because it’s a weak category and maybe Deakins but that will be your lot so prepare yourself for it so we don’t have to put up with this bleating when the Academy similarly overlooks SF in all the main categories in a few weeks time.

    You think I am the guy that will more or less commit suicide if James Bond gets no Oscar nods or if James Bond even fails to win any Oscar? You think because I am a fan 'Skyfall' deserves to be nominated in every category? Well, I have a message for you. You're plain wrong. I'm not the guy that starts weeping tears over it....let alone weeping blood. I'm a critical fan....and a critical movie lover. And I do think that as a movies like 'The Master', 'Argo' and 'Zero Dark Thirty' are better movies than 'Skyfall'.

    The thing is, the current Oscar speculation is not insane. It's pure realism. Nothing more, nothing less. As of Thursday we will have a Bond film with the most Oscar nominations ever. For me as a fan that is simply unique. Even more so for the Bond producers. If you think I am childish, you also say the Bond producers are childish. Because I know from previous Bond films that 'Cubby' got quite emotional when his Bond production got an Oscar momination.

    I have also said, on many occasions, that even ONE technical Oscar nomination is wunderful recognition. You think I think 'Skyfall' will win the 'Best Picture' Oscar? Not in a million years my friend (Allthough I do think that 'Skyfall' has a worthy story/theme about espionage that we haven't seen in other movies except 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy'!). I'm realistic enough. But each category in my opinion stands for a creative process that was a hardworking, sometimes even difficult process. You are not thinking about all these hundreds of crewmembers working on a Bond film. Well, I do.

    By belittling these categories, you are indirectly belittling the hard, creative work done by Roger Deakins, Paul Epworth, Adele, Scott Millan, Javier Bardem and most importantly the Producers Guild nominated producers Babs and Michael.

    And if I compare Bond fans with Batman fans, I think the Bond fans are the most realistic, down-to-earth, critical, 'normal', 'healthy sceptical' fans around the block. Even more so than Batman fans, who simply vote a thousand times on IMDB to give 'The Dark Knight Rises' an exaggerated 8.7 score. I am not like that. Most Bond fans in here are not like that.

  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    BAFTA nominations for Casino Royale:
    Best British Film
    Best Actor in a Leading Role
    Best Screenplay - Adapted
    Best Editing
    Best Cinematography
    Best Production Design
    Best Original Music
    Best Achievement in Special Visual Effects
    Best Sound (won)

    BAFTA nominations for Quantum of Solace:
    Best Special Visual Effects
    Best Sound

    BAFTA nominations for Skyfall:
    Best British Film
    Best Actor in a Supporting Role
    Best Actress in a Supporting Role
    Best Editing
    Best Cinematography
    Best Production Design
    Best Original Music
    Best Sound

    Compared to CR: no Best Actor in a Leading Role, no Best Screenplay, no Special Visual Effects, but an acting nomination for Javier Bardem and one for Judi Dench.

    It's like 'Casino Royale' all over again it seems ;-). Wunderful. EIGHT nominations. I do think that 'Skyfall' will win at least two BAFTA's, making it top the previous record currently hold by 'From Russia With Love' and 'Casino Royale', who each won one BAFTA.

    Still, I think the Producers Guild Awards, Screen Actors Guild Awards and Critics Choice Awards are better predictors and are not biased towards 'Britishness'. Those nominations for 'Skyfall' are truly unique.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited January 2013 Posts: 9,117
    Get a bit of perspective please. We are fans on here so we are all going to think SF deserves an award in every category but not everyone in the world is a die hard Bond fan and that goes double for people handing out awards. Just because its ‘taken the UK by storm’ doesn’t mean its necessarily a good film. Is The Avengers going to win any awards? Its not a popularity contest or the sodding X factor.

    Now I know all you members of the ‘SF is the greatest film ever made and we wont tolerate any dissent’ brigade are going to angrily rear up and tell me to leave the thread for being negative but I’ve got news for you: despite making a lot of money and being very competently made SF is not the tour de force of cinema you would have us believe. It is a very slick piece of entertainment and of its genre it’s a very impressive example but just because acting and direction wise it’s light years ahead of DAD and the Rog era doesn’t suddenly make it Bergman.

    Best picture, director and actor were always going to be a tall order. Javier and Judi have as good a chance as anybody as does Deakins and it has to be in with a good shout for Best British Film. Plenty of technical nods also which as a reasonable chance of winning. I’ll be happy with one or two wins in technical categories. If Judi, Javier or Roger can bring home one award between them I’ll be over the moon. If SF walks away with more than one win we should be happy (except Best British film. I’m not counting this as a proper award. Just seems like a bit like the Europa league for those not good enough to get a best picture nod).

    Dry your tears and stop being so childish and spare a thought for all the fans on Batman forums complaining about TDKR getting a paltry one nomination (even a Nolan blockbuster, the gold standard by which many are measuring SF, doesn’t automatically mean awards you see).

    At least this should damp down all the insane Oscar speculation on here. Adele has a good chance because it’s a weak category and maybe Deakins but that will be your lot so prepare yourself for it so we don’t have to put up with this bleating when the Academy similarly overlooks SF in all the main categories in a few weeks time.

    You think I am the guy that will more or less commit suicide if James Bond gets no Oscar nods or if James Bond even fails to win any Oscar? You think because I am a fan 'Skyfall' deserves to be nominated in every category? Well, I have a message for you. You're plain wrong. I'm not the guy that starts weeping tears over it....let alone weeping blood. I'm a critical fan....and a critical movie lover. And I do think that as a movies like 'The Master', 'Argo' and 'Zero Dark Thirty' are better movies than 'Skyfall'.

    The thing is, the current Oscar speculation is not insane. It's pure realism. Nothing more, nothing less. As of Thursday we will have a Bond film with the most Oscar nominations ever. For me as a fan that is simply unique. Even more so for the Bond producers. If you think I am childish, you also say the Bond producers are childish. Because I know from previous Bond films that 'Cubby' got quite emotional when his Bond production got an Oscar momination.

    I have also said, on many occasions, that even ONE technical Oscar nomination is wunderful recognition. You think I think 'Skyfall' will win the 'Best Picture' Oscar? Not in a million years my friend (Allthough I do think that 'Skyfall' has a worthy story/theme about espionage that we haven't seen in other movies except 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy'!). I'm realistic enough. But each category in my opinion stands for a creative process that was a hardworking, sometimes even difficult process. You are not thinking about all these hundreds of crewmembers working on a Bond film. Well, I do.

    By belittling these categories, you are indirectly belittling the hard, creative work done by Roger Deakins, Paul Epworth, Adele, Scott Millan, Javier Bardem and most importantly the Producers Guild nominated producers Babs and Michael.

    And if I compare Bond fans with Batman fans, I think the Bond fans are the most realistic, down-to-earth, critical, 'normal', 'healthy sceptical' fans around the block. Even more so than Batman fans, who simply vote a thousand times on IMDB to give 'The Dark Knight Rises' an exaggerated 8.7 score. I am not like that. Most Bond fans in here are not like that.

    Don’t know why you seem to be taking it so personally as I’m not referring to anything you have said but the following which seem to suggest its some sort of Sepp Blatter stitch up to deny SF its rightful haul of every BAFTA going:
    No Best film, no best director, no best actor even though this is the British awards but Best British film



    Go figure....Skyfall took over the UK this year...not even in the best film category...crazy.

    The Brits being overly fair again...if this was the US...it would never have happened.

    Lincoln....Les Mis? Acting lovies loving 'serious' films pah.

    Germanlady wrote:
    They must be joking. This is ridiculous. Joaquin Phoenix over DC? Really? This guy doesn't even want it. They probably thought, giving him British Actor of the year was enough. Utterly disappointing. If I were him, would decline from presenting.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Read the tweets and you will see, that many people are as aken back by this decision as we are. it makes no sense. Its a slap into the face of SF and DC.

    5 technical nods - wow, big deal.
    Well lets hope I was wrong and the Oscars are more generous than the Baftas.

    Serously this film has taken the UK by storm so I'm surprised the British awards didn't give SF that much notice.
    there is something wrong with the BAFTA! If Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy last year got Best film then how can Skyfall not get it??? The BAFTA must love american film than British film......

    I hope Oscar is better than this........I dont care about the technical awards no big deal, means nothing
    Germanlady wrote:
    Right now, I am REALLY pissed. Its just not right. Why do you think, the Oscars will do better. Bafta was the films best bet. Sure 8 nods is not bad, but BP and BA are surely missing.

    To me this feels like "We are NOT going to do the obvious by all means"

    I am calling the biased and blinkered outrage of all those comments above childish not you or Babs and Michael and not the giving or receiving of awards in general.

    Also how am I belittling any categories (except Best British Film which belittles itself with its own parochial title by indicating it recognises films not good enough to compete on a global level) or the hard work by the cast and crew? I’m sure as much effort and work went into TDKR but that only picked up one nod. No doubt there are hundreds of films that don’t get any nominations but I expect a lot of work went into them. DAD is technically very competent (parasurfing aside) does that mean it deserves a load of awards otherwise its belittling the filmmakers? I would love it if a Bond film swept the board at the BAFTAs or Oscars but I’m afraid SF isn’t going to be that film even though its very good and Babs and Michael have done a very good job with bringing us a great film for the 50th. Try to read and comprehend what someone has written before flying off the handle.

    Oh and that is not how you spell wunderful (sic).

    And in your rage you did a – shock horror –DOUBLE POST!

    I think that’s all.
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
    edited January 2013 Posts: 292
    Eight BAFTA nominations for ANY film is an achievement. But films are not made to win awards. They are made to be seen by an audience. Awards and gongs are a bonus, a plus. SKYFALL has made a major record-breaking presence throughout the world and critic's opinion-making machines. THAT is where it has won.
  • Posts: 6,601
    @Wizard - call it all you want and see if I care.
    I and others have the same right as you to express ouropinions as you do. End of story. Calm down yourself.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Germanlady wrote:

    Well, not against my expectations to be honest. Eight nominations is wunderful. Delightful so to say. I think it's perfectly fair that 'Lincoln' got most nominations.

    Thing is, Huffington Post brings it like a 'loss' for 'Skyfall'. Well, that's their journalism hehe.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Well, its all over the papers and tweets, that folks are surprised, DC and SF got no nods for BP and BA. So its by no means just fangirling on my side. I am not alone in thinking, that this - COMING from the BRITS - is rather strange. I am NOT talking Oscars, just baftas.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Eight BAFTA nominations for ANY film is an achievement. But films are not made to win awards. They are made to be seen by an audience. Awards and gongs are a bonus, a plus. SKYFALL has made a major record-breaking presence throughout the world and critic's opinion-making machines. THAT is where it has won.

    No. I think it's much simpler than that. Awards are recognitions! That's how I see it. That's how even Bond fans should see it. It's in essence not about a 'bonus' for cinema visitors or an 'indicator' to who will win the Oscar. Yes, you can use it as such. But in the end, the actual nominations and wins of awards are recognition for outstanding work in a specific cinematic category.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Get a bit of perspective please. We are fans on here so we are all going to think SF deserves an award in every category but not everyone in the world is a die hard Bond fan and that goes double for people handing out awards. Just because its ‘taken the UK by storm’ doesn’t mean its necessarily a good film. Is The Avengers going to win any awards? Its not a popularity contest or the sodding X factor.

    Now I know all you members of the ‘SF is the greatest film ever made and we wont tolerate any dissent’ brigade are going to angrily rear up and tell me to leave the thread for being negative but I’ve got news for you: despite making a lot of money and being very competently made SF is not the tour de force of cinema you would have us believe. It is a very slick piece of entertainment and of its genre it’s a very impressive example but just because acting and direction wise it’s light years ahead of DAD and the Rog era doesn’t suddenly make it Bergman.

    Best picture, director and actor were always going to be a tall order. Javier and Judi have as good a chance as anybody as does Deakins and it has to be in with a good shout for Best British Film. Plenty of technical nods also which as a reasonable chance of winning. I’ll be happy with one or two wins in technical categories. If Judi, Javier or Roger can bring home one award between them I’ll be over the moon. If SF walks away with more than one win we should be happy (except Best British film. I’m not counting this as a proper award. Just seems like a bit like the Europa league for those not good enough to get a best picture nod).

    Dry your tears and stop being so childish and spare a thought for all the fans on Batman forums complaining about TDKR getting a paltry one nomination (even a Nolan blockbuster, the gold standard by which many are measuring SF, doesn’t automatically mean awards you see).

    At least this should damp down all the insane Oscar speculation on here. Adele has a good chance because it’s a weak category and maybe Deakins but that will be your lot so prepare yourself for it so we don’t have to put up with this bleating when the Academy similarly overlooks SF in all the main categories in a few weeks time.

    You think I am the guy that will more or less commit suicide if James Bond gets no Oscar nods or if James Bond even fails to win any Oscar? You think because I am a fan 'Skyfall' deserves to be nominated in every category? Well, I have a message for you. You're plain wrong. I'm not the guy that starts weeping tears over it....let alone weeping blood. I'm a critical fan....and a critical movie lover. And I do think that as a movies like 'The Master', 'Argo' and 'Zero Dark Thirty' are better movies than 'Skyfall'.

    The thing is, the current Oscar speculation is not insane. It's pure realism. Nothing more, nothing less. As of Thursday we will have a Bond film with the most Oscar nominations ever. For me as a fan that is simply unique. Even more so for the Bond producers. If you think I am childish, you also say the Bond producers are childish. Because I know from previous Bond films that 'Cubby' got quite emotional when his Bond production got an Oscar momination.

    I have also said, on many occasions, that even ONE technical Oscar nomination is wunderful recognition. You think I think 'Skyfall' will win the 'Best Picture' Oscar? Not in a million years my friend (Allthough I do think that 'Skyfall' has a worthy story/theme about espionage that we haven't seen in other movies except 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy'!). I'm realistic enough. But each category in my opinion stands for a creative process that was a hardworking, sometimes even difficult process. You are not thinking about all these hundreds of crewmembers working on a Bond film. Well, I do.

    By belittling these categories, you are indirectly belittling the hard, creative work done by Roger Deakins, Paul Epworth, Adele, Scott Millan, Javier Bardem and most importantly the Producers Guild nominated producers Babs and Michael.

    And if I compare Bond fans with Batman fans, I think the Bond fans are the most realistic, down-to-earth, critical, 'normal', 'healthy sceptical' fans around the block. Even more so than Batman fans, who simply vote a thousand times on IMDB to give 'The Dark Knight Rises' an exaggerated 8.7 score. I am not like that. Most Bond fans in here are not like that.

    Don’t know why you seem to be taking it so personally as I’m not referring to anything you have said but the following which seem to suggest its some sort of Sepp Blatter stitch up to deny SF its rightful haul of every BAFTA going:
    No Best film, no best director, no best actor even though this is the British awards but Best British film



    Go figure....Skyfall took over the UK this year...not even in the best film category...crazy.

    The Brits being overly fair again...if this was the US...it would never have happened.

    Lincoln....Les Mis? Acting lovies loving 'serious' films pah.

    Germanlady wrote:
    They must be joking. This is ridiculous. Joaquin Phoenix over DC? Really? This guy doesn't even want it. They probably thought, giving him British Actor of the year was enough. Utterly disappointing. If I were him, would decline from presenting.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Read the tweets and you will see, that many people are as aken back by this decision as we are. it makes no sense. Its a slap into the face of SF and DC.

    5 technical nods - wow, big deal.
    Well lets hope I was wrong and the Oscars are more generous than the Baftas.

    Serously this film has taken the UK by storm so I'm surprised the British awards didn't give SF that much notice.
    there is something wrong with the BAFTA! If Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy last year got Best film then how can Skyfall not get it??? The BAFTA must love american film than British film......

    I hope Oscar is better than this........I dont care about the technical awards no big deal, means nothing
    Germanlady wrote:
    Right now, I am REALLY pissed. Its just not right. Why do you think, the Oscars will do better. Bafta was the films best bet. Sure 8 nods is not bad, but BP and BA are surely missing.

    To me this feels like "We are NOT going to do the obvious by all means"

    I am calling the biased and blinkered outrage of all those comments above childish not you or Babs and Michael and not the giving or receiving of awards in general.

    Also how am I belittling any categories (except Best British Film which belittles itself with its own parochial title by indicating it recognises films not good enough to compete on a global level) or the hard work by the cast and crew? I’m sure as much effort and work went into TDKR but that only picked up one nod. No doubt there are hundreds of films that don’t get any nominations but I expect a lot of work went into them. DAD is technically very competent (parasurfing aside) does that mean it deserves a load of awards otherwise its belittling the filmmakers? I would love it if a Bond film swept the board at the BAFTAs or Oscars but I’m afraid SF isn’t going to be that film even though its very good and Babs and Michael have done a very good job with bringing us a great film for the 50th. Try to read and comprehend what someone has written before flying off the handle.

    Oh and that is not how you spell wunderful (sic).

    And in your rage you did a – shock horror –DOUBLE POST!

    I think that’s all.

    Easy darling. I don't feel attacked personally :-). But I am allowed to give my opinion. I just disagree with your arguments wholeheartedly. That's all :-).
  • RC7RC7
    edited January 2013 Posts: 10,512
    Eight BAFTA nominations for ANY film is an achievement. But films are not made to win awards. They are made to be seen by an audience. Awards and gongs are a bonus, a plus. SKYFALL has made a major record-breaking presence throughout the world and critic's opinion-making machines. THAT is where it has won.

    No. I think it's much simpler than that. Awards are recognitions! That's how I see it. That's how even Bond fans should see it. It's in essence not about a 'bonus' for cinema visitors or an 'indicator' to who will win the Oscar. Yes, you can use it as such. But in the end, the actual nominations and wins of awards are recognition for outstanding work in a specific cinematic category.

    Of course Awards are recognition, @CatchingBullets didn't imply that. As he said, films are made to be seen by an audience, particularly an entry in the bloody Bond franchise. I think you guys need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. So Dan and SF didn't get the nominations, does it make SF any less good?

    I wish everyone had the same basic level of rationale as @TheWizardOfIce. It's relentlessly tedious having to read through reams of blinkered bollocks and hissy fits.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Germanlady wrote:
    Well, its all over the papers and tweets, that folks are surprised, DC and SF got no nods for BP and BA. So its by no means just fangirling on my side. I am not alone in thinking, that this - COMING from the BRITS - is rather strange. I am NOT talking Oscars, just baftas.

    I was also talking about these BAFTA's and how Huffington Post wrote about it ;-). Thing is.....Oscars are more important for me. Tomorrow we have forgotten the BAFTA's already. And the BAFTA's indeed are a bit biased. The BAFTA nominates Thomas Newman for 'Best Original Score' and furthermore 'Skyfall' gets nods for 'Best Supporting Actress', 'Best Editing' and 'Best Production Design'. I clearly see some 'British bias' in this, as I personally think 'Skyfall' is not thát outstanding in those categories. 'Best Cinematography'? YES. 'Best Supporting Actor'? YES. 'Best Sound'? YES. 'Best Original Song'? ABSOLUTELY. Rest of the nods are just....great for a Bond fan like me :-).
  • Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote:
    Eight BAFTA nominations for ANY film is an achievement. But films are not made to win awards. They are made to be seen by an audience. Awards and gongs are a bonus, a plus. SKYFALL has made a major record-breaking presence throughout the world and critic's opinion-making machines. THAT is where it has won.

    No. I think it's much simpler than that. Awards are recognitions! That's how I see it. That's how even Bond fans should see it. It's in essence not about a 'bonus' for cinema visitors or an 'indicator' to who will win the Oscar. Yes, you can use it as such. But in the end, the actual nominations and wins of awards are recognition for outstanding work in a specific cinematic category.

    Of course Awards are recognition, @CatchingBullets didn't imply that. As he said, films are made to be seen by an audience, particularly an entry in the bloody Bond franchise. I think you guys need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. So Dan and SF didn't get the nominations, does it make SF any less good?

    I wish everyone had the same basic level of rationale as @TheWizardOfIce. It's relentlessly tedious having to read through reams of blinkered bollocks and hissy fits.

    Well, I never said something about Danny not being nominated hehe. Frankly, I think he did not deserve a nomination looking to the likes of for instance Daniel Day Lewis.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 6,601
    Just to put into perspective what I and some other have been saying and got attacked, as if we are out of our minds. Hardly so appearantly..

    That said, social media has been abuzz all morning with the 's' word: snub. Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes were both notable omissions in 'Best Actor' and 'Best Director' respectively, while the movie also didn't make the cut for 'Best Film'.

    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/at-the-movies/a449580/skyfall-bafta-snub-did-daniel-craig-sam-mendes-deserve-nominations.html#ixzz2HTkCKKBQ
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    Did 'Skyfall' deserve more BAFTA nominations?
    Yes - Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes should have been nominated72.06%
    No - 'Skyfall' wasn't unfairly overlooked in the nominations27.94%





  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Eight nominations is nothing to sneeze at. Yeah we missed the big ones but I'm not complaining - too much. ;)
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Eight nominations is nothing to sneeze at. Yeah we missed the big ones but I'm not complaining - too much. ;)

    Wait till tomorrow. And then be amazed how many Oscar nominations 'Skyfall' gets. I predict:
    --> Either 'Best Picture' or 'Best Supporting Actor'
    --> 'Best Cinematography'
    --> 'Best Original Song'
    --> 'Best Sound Editing'
    --> 'Best Sound Mixing'

    So if I have to choose: EIGHT BAFTA nominations or FIVE Oscar nominations? I choose the latter.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 1,492
    This bunch of nominations warms the cockles of actonsteves heart. The Craig era is something special isnt it? From the Olympics to the BAFTAs Bond has not reached these pinnacles before.

    I keep thinking the same thing.

    Thats one in the eye for those bitches who posted on the CraignotBond website.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    actonsteve wrote:
    Thats one in the eye for those bitches who posted on the CraignotBond website.

    I wonder what will happen to the site when Craig is not Bond. No need complaining about the past, is there?...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Germanlady wrote:
    Just to put into perspective what I and some other have been saying and got attacked, as if we are out of our minds. Hardly so appearantly..

    That said, social media has been abuzz all morning with the 's' word: snub. Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes were both notable omissions in 'Best Actor' and 'Best Director' respectively, while the movie also didn't make the cut for 'Best Film'.

    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/at-the-movies/a449580/skyfall-bafta-snub-did-daniel-craig-sam-mendes-deserve-nominations.html#ixzz2HTkCKKBQ
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    Did 'Skyfall' deserve more BAFTA nominations?
    Yes - Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes should have been nominated72.06%
    No - 'Skyfall' wasn't unfairly overlooked in the nominations27.94%


    I'm afraid although you are entitled to your opinion SF has been dealt a heinous miscarriage of justice on a par with Timothy Evans it is in fact worthless when it comes to the awards voting process. As are the 'sources' above that you quote backing you up.
    You are mistaking popularity for critical acclaim which are not the same thing. I'm sure if I trawled the internet I could find some people saying that Transformers 3 should win best film. Just because you can find other people to back up your opinion on Twitter and random film blogs doesnt make it any more valid. Even people like Mark Kermode who might well think he is important in the film industry are just people like us with an opinion which nobody who actually votes gives a toss about.

    This from the BAFTA website:

    http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/judging,2464,BA.html

    This is the key paragraph 'The Academy’s members are individuals representing all fields of the Film, Television and Video Games industries. Each one has made a significant contribution to their particular field.'

    Now call me Mr Old Fashioned but I tend to think their opinion carries more validity than all your mates on Twitter and Facebook.

    By all means be disappointed that SF didnt do better but hysterical comments like 'it makes no sense', 'its a slap in the face to SF' and 'this is ridiculous' do make you sound like a teenage fanboy (well fangirl) shocked that the rest of the world doesnt agree that Twilight or Spiderman havent been acknowledged as the best film ever made.

    When you can quote the likes of Martin Scorcese, Robert De Niro, Steven Spielberg and Al Pacino stating that SF has been royally screwed over then fair enough but at the moment you just have other people like you in your camp who, with the greatest respect to your good self, are all nobodies.

    RC7 wrote:
    So Dan and SF didn't get the nominations, does it make SF any less good?

    The best point made so far and one that everyone is overlooking. The person that matters most in the awards process is yourself.
    How many awards did OHMSS win? Shit all. How many critics slagged it off? Loads. Does that stop me from loving it? No.
    Its maybe a pleasant bonus to win some awards but how would you feel if DAD had blagged 10 Oscars? Would we all be saying its one of the greatest films ever made or would we still think it to be garbage? Theres only one critic that matters and thats YOU so by all means award it 15 Germanladies (do you fancy being scuplted in statuette from Germanlady?) if you want but dont be devasated and claim some sort of Watergate conspiracy when other people disagree with you.

    RC7 wrote:
    I wish everyone had the same basic level of rationale as @TheWizardOfIce.

    You're describing a utopian society I'm sure we all dream of RC7 but will it ever come to pass?

    Perhaps after I'm gone people will realise I was right about most things and I'll be elevated to the position of greatness and reverence that has thus far eluded me in life!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Did Skyfall get a BAFTA nod for Best British Film?
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    @Wizard. So all social media counts for nothing just to make your point. But fine, since its sooo important for you to be right I will make you happy, good man, you are right. At the end - you are more hysterical about being right then I am about feeling disappointed.
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    Did Skyfall get a BAFTA nod for Best British Film?

    Yes, its like "You are not good enough as best film, but we give you a little pad on the back"
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Germanlady wrote:
    Did Skyfall get a BAFTA nod for Best British Film?

    Yes, its like "You are not good enough as best film, but we give you a little pad on the back"

    Well, that's what you think, but hardly the big picture.

    I would say this category is more special than the Best Film. In Best Film you have American films that get included, while in this category it is just the best of British cinema. With this BAFTA nod Bond can do what he has always done: Represent for his country with only his fellow countrymen as competition. Skyfall is one of the lucky few in all of British cinema this year to get nominated in a category exclusive to his home. That is more special that a Best Film nod in my book.
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    Germanlady wrote:
    @Wizard. So all social media counts for nothing just to make your point. But fine, since its sooo important for you to be right I will make you happy, good man, you are right. At the end - you are more hysterical about being right then I am about feeling disappointed.

    He's just applying logic to the situation, unlike yourself, who's more concerned with being irrationally frustrated.

    As The Wizard said, the validity of legions of people on social media sites is compromised. This isn't a people's choice award. The people already voted, with their feet and their wallets. This is determined by people who are themselves gifted in the field.

    Would you prefer a fishmonger deciding whether you get promotion, or your colleagues, who understand your job? The fishmonger could have a punt on whether you're decent at what you do but the validity of their opinion is diminished next to that of your peers.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    @Wizard. So all social media counts for nothing just to make your point. But fine, since its sooo important for you to be right I will make you happy, good man, you are right. At the end - you are more hysterical about being right then I am about feeling disappointed.

    He's just applying logic to the situation, unlike yourself, who's more concerned with being irrationally frustrated.

    As The Wizard said, the validity of legions of people on social media sites is compromised. This isn't a people's choice award. The people already voted, with their feet and their wallets. This is determined by people who are themselves gifted in the field.

    Would you prefer a fishmonger deciding whether you get promotion, or your colleagues, who understand your job? The fishmonger could have a punt on whether you're decent at what you do but the validity of their opinion is diminished next to that of your peers.


    =D>
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Germanlady wrote:
    @Wizard. So all social media counts for nothing just to make your point. But fine, since its sooo important for you to be right I will make you happy, good man, you are right. At the end - you are more hysterical about being right then I am about feeling disappointed.

    Not at all. All social media counts for nothing -period.

    Social media is just people like us ranting at each other and offering their worthless opinions that no one cares about and its a bloody good thing that people who actually make decisions about things in the world do ignore it or what state would we be in.

    Germanlady wrote:
    Did Skyfall get a BAFTA nod for Best British Film?

    Yes, its like "You are not good enough as best film, but we give you a little pad on the back"

    Well, that's what you think, but hardly the big picture.

    I would say this category is more special than the Best Film. In Best Film you have American films that get included, while in this category it is just the best of British cinema. With this BAFTA nod Bond can do what he has always done: Represent for his country with only his fellow countrymen as competition. Skyfall is one of the lucky few in all of British cinema this year to get nominated in a category exclusive to his home. That is more special that a Best Film nod in my book.

    Finally I have to side with Germanlady in this debate.

    How can being one of 'the lucky few' to be nominated as best British film be a step up than best in the world which is what 'best film' is. By that rationale being nominated for best Luxembourg film or, the true Holy Grail of cinema, best Vatican film would be a bigger honour than the Oscar for best picture.

    And how can SF even be considered a bona fide British film? OK the lead actors are British as is the director and a lot of the crew but whos putting the money up? I feel sorry for proper British films that have zero budgets that are likely to get steamrollered in this category by the SF juggernaut. Thats who this category should be for not massive studio films like SF that are merely made in this country. If SF cant compete in the overall best film category then tough shit. Leave the best British film for indie pictures made for peanuts.
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    I am pointing it out merely to say, that the expectation for the film and DC to get a nod was widely spread and that it is NOT crazy or stupid or fangirlish to feel, they missed out. No more. no less.
    Whatever you might say, to many its a huge surprise. And this is ALL I am saying.

    You answer apples to pees.
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    And how can SF even be considered a bona fide British film? OK the lead actors are British as is the director and a lot of the crew but whos putting the money up? I feel sorry for proper British films that have zero budgets that are likely to get steamrollered in this category by the SF juggernaut. Thats who this category should be for not massive studio films like SF that are merely made in this country. If SF cant compete in the overall best film category then tough shit. Leave the best British film for indie pictures made for peanuts.

    Couldn't agree more, as I'm sure would a lot of my mates and colleagues in the film industry. It's hard enough as it is to get a 'British' film made as the yanks have our industry firmly by the balls. To have SF in the category is very much another kick in the knackers.

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    RC7 wrote:
    And how can SF even be considered a bona fide British film? OK the lead actors are British as is the director and a lot of the crew but whos putting the money up? I feel sorry for proper British films that have zero budgets that are likely to get steamrollered in this category by the SF juggernaut. Thats who this category should be for not massive studio films like SF that are merely made in this country. If SF cant compete in the overall best film category then tough shit. Leave the best British film for indie pictures made for peanuts.

    Couldn't agree more, as I'm sure would a lot of my mates and colleagues in the film industry. It's hard enough as it is to get a 'British' film made as the yanks have our industry firmly by the balls. To have SF in the category is very much another kick in the knackers.

    Yup, it doesn't belong into this category. Either BP or nothing.

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