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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Die Another Day is near the top 10 for me. Mainly for the visuals, music score and Brozza. It's a middle ground Bond movie for me. I enjoyed it when I first saw it at the ripe age of 10. So I do have some nostalgia for it.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    DAD feels like a fan fiction film. The script-writers asked fans to write in with their suggestions and used the best/coolest sounding ideas in the final script.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DAD feels like a fan fiction film. The script-writers asked fans to write in with their suggestions and used the best/coolest sounding ideas in the final script.

    Fans? You mean toddlers, right?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DAD feels like a fan fiction film. The script-writers asked fans to write in with their suggestions and used the best/coolest sounding ideas in the final script.

    Fans? You mean toddlers, right?

    Jinx feels like a caricature dreamt up by younger teenage fans.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DAD feels like a fan fiction film. The script-writers asked fans to write in with their suggestions and used the best/coolest sounding ideas in the final script.

    Fans? You mean toddlers, right?

    Jinx feels like a caricature dreamt up by younger teenage fans.

    You're doing teenagers a real disservice there. ;-)
  • RC7RC7
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    Strip out several scenes and DAD becomes a far superior film. Not a great film, but certainly better. In the right hands it could have been great. The general premise is decent, but the gene therapy and satellite drag it into bullshit territory. Alter these two components and it could have been a neat entry. Rogue NK Colonel returns from the dead to wage war on the South. A perfectly fine premise and at the time relatively prescient.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Strip out several scenes and DAD becomes a far superior film. Not a great film, but certainly better. In the right hands it could have been great. The general premise is decent, but the gene therapy and satellite drag it into bullshit territory. Alter these two components and it could have been a neat entry. Rogue NK Colonel returns from the dead to wage war on the South. A perfectly fine premise and at the time relatively prescient.

    And replace the Icarus Satellite with say the Icarus nuclear missile. (Ala Moonraker Novel.) And it would make for better suspense.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    RC7 wrote:
    Strip out several scenes and DAD becomes a far superior film. Not a great film, but certainly better. In the right hands it could have been great. The general premise is decent, but the gene therapy and satellite drag it into bullshit territory. Alter these two components and it could have been a neat entry. Rogue NK Colonel returns from the dead to wage war on the South. A perfectly fine premise and at the time relatively prescient.

    And therein lies the problem.

    You have a good outline there but then it was passed on to Wade, Purvis and ultimately Tamahori who turned it into absolute shit.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    Birds of the West Indies was the best touch of them all, but thirty minutes? Not even thirty seconds. You know by the gunbarrel that this will be bad. A gunbarrel at the end of the movie is far superior to that attrocity.
    See? I told you I am never nice.

    dramaqueen that your are. ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I am not a dramaqueen. I am the Devil.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Strip out several scenes and DAD becomes a far superior film. Not a great film, but certainly better. In the right hands it could have been great. The general premise is decent, but the gene therapy and satellite drag it into bullshit territory. Alter these two components and it could have been a neat entry. Rogue NK Colonel returns from the dead to wage war on the South. A perfectly fine premise and at the time relatively prescient.

    And replace the Icarus Satellite with say the Icarus nuclear missile. (Ala Moonraker Novel.) And it would make for better suspense.

    But a nuclear rocket makes no sense when it comes to the placement that is Korea, the Icarus satalite at least does indeed clear the minefield thus making an invasion possible. For suspense this choice works.

    The genetherapy works too as a Korean man changed into a western man, which is far more difficult as Flemings Drax taking the identity from a dead POW during WOII or WOI.

    And I did enjoy that bit of mayhem and destruction when Bond visited the hospital.

    When he reported to M about the clinic she told them they did not know about the clinics existance and Bond told it did no more. :D

    The movie does suffer under an overkill of OTT action as the rocketshiprace and Bond being chased by a satalite ray and the CGI surfing bit. Another bad point is the OTT ending on board of a plane. They had some serious drama in their hands with son vs father, the two ladies and Bond vs baddie for the final fight. With some better scriptwriter who can come up with some exciting ideas the movie could be much more grounded and dramatic.

  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I will say that DAD may indeed be a troubled film, I still rate it above TWINE. The latter is the film I have more issues with. Returning to my food analogy of several posts back, if DAD is a chocolate bar, TWINE is a cough syrup. Enough sweetness to pass the oesophagus without reflux, but... I'd rather not take it.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

    Any evidence of that or is it something you've taken a guess at?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I love my Dad as well.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I love my Dad as well.

    I actually hate both ;-)
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    DAD may have been extremely well liked when it came out (I admit I enjoyed it back in 2002 eventhough I knew then the effects were rubbish), but it's aged VERY badly.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

    Any evidence of that or is it something you've taken a guess at?

    The fact that it got mainly very good reviews and was a huge box office hit...oh and the fact that Empire magazine called it one of the best Bond movies ever?

  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I'd be interested to know whether those reviewers think the same now.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    That's new. A film magazine calling the upcoming Bond, the best ever. So what?
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    edited April 2014 Posts: 6,396
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

    Any evidence of that or is it something you've taken a guess at?

    The fact that it got mainly very good reviews and was a huge box office hit...oh and the fact that Empire magazine called it one of the best Bond movies ever?

    So did Skyfall. In fact it took nearly 3 times as much Box Office, won Oscars and BAFTAs and currently has a better score on the likes of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic but you've said it's a terrible film.

    So does that mean your argument falls flat on it's ass?
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'd be interested to know whether those reviewers think the same now.

    Total Film pretty much admitted DAD was poor when they reviewed Casino Royale.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    That's new. A film magazine calling the upcoming Bond, the best ever. So what?
    They would have called Matthew Perry the best Bond ever, were he cast like some rumours said ten years ago.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    They did that with Skyfall. It just adds hype to the latest film in a popular series. The real test is what happens in the following months/years AFTER a film is released.

    I don't think SF is the "best Bond film ever" but I think it's ONE of the best.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    edited April 2014 Posts: 1,394
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
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    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

    Any evidence of that or is it something you've taken a guess at?

    The fact that it got mainly very good reviews and was a huge box office hit...oh and the fact that Empire magazine called it one of the best Bond movies ever?

    So did Skyfall. In fact it took nearly 3 times as much Box Office, won Oscars and BAFTAs and currently has a better score on the likes of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic but you've said it's a terrible film.

    So does that mean your argument falls flat on it's ass?

    Why are you comparing box office and awards between Bond movies 10 years apart?I dont dispute any of your facts but this thread is about DAD and the fact is that it was a very popular film.

    At the end of the day it doesnt matter how much money or awards ( everyone knows they are just a joke anyway ) a film makes.Its what you yourself think of a film.Skyfall could have won a dozen oscars and been the highest grossing film of all time but doesnt change the fact that i think its terrible.

    While were on the subject though, i beleive Skyfall only made so much and got awards is because of 50th anniversary hype and advertising.Its a british instituition! We have to honour the Bond series! The film makes british people feel proud! It makes MI6 and James Bond look like utter morons for failing to recover state secrets, prevent terrorist attacks, and getting their boss killed for stupid reasons like taking her out to a remote location with no backup to take on an army of mercenaries!

  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    edited April 2014 Posts: 6,396
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    AstonLotus wrote:
    3jyo4yvle3acela4.jpg?djet1p5k

    And your point is?

    That a lot of people dont just like DAD, they love it!

    Any evidence of that or is it something you've taken a guess at?

    The fact that it got mainly very good reviews and was a huge box office hit...oh and the fact that Empire magazine called it one of the best Bond movies ever?

    So did Skyfall. In fact it took nearly 3 times as much Box Office, won Oscars and BAFTAs and currently has a better score on the likes of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic but you've said it's a terrible film.

    So does that mean your argument falls flat on it's ass?

    Why are you comparing box office and awards between Bond movies 10 years apart?I dont dispute any of your facts but this thread is about DAD and the fact is that it was a very popular film.

    At the end of the day it doesnt matter how much money or awards ( everyone knows they are just a joke anyway ) a film makes.Its what you yourself think of a film.Skyfall could have won a dozen oscars and been the highest grossing film of all time but doesnt change the fact that i think its terrible.

    You fail to see the point I made. I asked why you think DAD is so well liked. And your answer was to give me "Good reviews and Box Office figures" and as you've just stated, that doesn't prove it's well liked at all.

    It always comes last in any ranking list compiled on this forum and has terrible scores on the sites I mentioned in my previous post.

    So there is more evidence that the film has more thumbs down than thumbs up.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    SF may have it's flaws and I can understand why some see it as "overrated". Terrible?! I really can't get my head round. In my own mind it's simply a fact that SF is superior to certain other Bond films (DAD included).

    Regardless of how much ££ the film made I don't think DAD is well liked at all nowadays. When it's own star is shown laughing at it in a documentary made by the film's makers I think it's fairly obvious what the general view of the film is now.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    SF may have it's flaws and I can understand why some see it as "overrated". Terrible?! I really can't get my head round. In my own mind it's simply a fact that SF is superior to certain other Bond films (DAD included).

    At the risk of going off topic...

    Skyfall is absolutley the worst Bond to me.The films plot makes no sense whatsoever, Bond and MI6 look like utter morons for failing over and over again.Besides the impressive PTS there is very little action of any merit, the climax is just Home Alone in scotland, and worst of all, Bond gets M killed and is not only not fired/court martialled for screwing up so badly, everything seems forgotten about and is just handed his next assignment by the new M.

    But this thread is about DAD, and while i am aware of its flaws ( the cgi ice surfing is just inexcusable ) it is still a fun Bond film.

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