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That we could all agree on. I wonder what DAD would have been like under Martin Campbell's direction...If only... 8->
Totally agree.
Moore parodied Bond three decades before Meyers did.
True
Watched it last night and the first hour is as bad as the rest of it. Horrific script throughout - not sure anyone could have actually made it into a good movie. It feels like self parody but without the actual genuine humour of the Moore era.
Good relative to the Bros era. That film came out the same year as the first Bourne film, which shamed the EON people into mimicking them.
Yet DAD smashed Bourne at the box office so why were they worried?
Strikes me they looked back and realised DAD was a total embarrassment and something had to change, but frankly some of the decisions made on DAD were so poor that in any other wall of life people would've paid with their job. Fortunately EON had a convenient scapegoat in Tamahori, which would be fine on a normal film but we all know how EON work and nothing gets signed off unless Babs and MGW agree with it so they are entirely culpable in my book. OK they have made amends since but I find it rather disconcerting that we have people in charge who ever thought an invisible car, a CGI tsunami and Jinx were good ideas.
Maybe Tamahori is just a really good salesman at getting people to buy nto his shit ideas?
The real victim here is Brozza - forced out of the job he loved (and was popular with the public) due to other people's cluelessness.
Strangely I found the whole film much more watchable (in a sort of car crash telly kind of way) than any of the other Brosnans. It's approaching that old 'so bad it's good' accolade.
I feel sorry for Brozza as a bloke because he is a nice guy, but as a Bond fan it was all for the best that he step aside.
What do you think of the idea of having Sean play Kincade?
If any of the Bond actors were to cameo it would have to be Lazenby.
The others are too well known.
Even though the head says no part of me thinks it would've been fantastic and a great nod to the 50th.
But of course having everyone in the cinema shout out 'It's Sean Connery' in unison would take everyone out of the film and we'd all be expecting him to kick ass like in the Rock.
Wish he could have just taken the parachute and jumped, rather than, tsunami surf on bad CGI!
Good Soundtrack (minus Madonna)
Best Scenes:
PTS - (Really like the surfing)
Medical Room Escape & Hotel Sequence
Cuba
The Fencing and Sword Fights.
Bond and M in the Underground
The Ice Palace
Laser cutting the Ice, breaking into the fake mine, saving Jinx and Escaping from Moon
The Car Chase (minus the scenes where it is invisible) It would have worked without.
The Falco & M Debrief, with 007 & Jinx
Bond and Jinx sneaking round the plane
General Moon's plan and his Father trying to stop him.
The Sword Fight on the Plane Jinx v Frost
Bad Scenes:
Anything Else!
So it can't be looked at seriously and it does not hold up to close scrutiny IMO.
The producers (or perhaps the head honchos at Sony? - we now know that there was a guy at the top of Sony who insisted on Brozza over Dalton and who Babs did not like, so who knows what was going on during that period and who was actually in charge) obviously hadn't a clue when making this one or TWINE, and it shows on screen. Going through the motions, checking all the boxes and not giving a toss about acting at all (except for poor Pike, who's trying so hard in a movie that does not deserve her skills and who stands out like a sore thumb as a result). Brosnan isn't too bad in this one either, compared to his near tearful effort in TWINE (almost like he's trying to salvage his turn as Bond). Toby Stephens does ham better than Mike Myers. Halle Berry was obviously trying to show the world that the Oscar she received that year should be returned. I didn't like the score in this one (completely unmemorable), nor did I like TWINE's.
The problem with the CGI surf is it is so disrespectful of the legacy of Bonds of old. Movies where they were so painstaking in creating an experience (with miniature models for the most part - tremendous attention to detail/craftmanship) that looked so realistic on screen. Anyone with half a brain would have rewritten this scene or scrapped it rather than include such garbage. It's inclusion is very telling of the stupidity and cluelessness involved at the highest levels when making this film. The same goes for the invincible Aston (while gadget laden cars were 'cool' in the 60's & 70's, it was obviously OTT by the 00's, and the fact that they couldn't see that is again a reflection of what was going on over there).
I too was surprised that P&W were brought back for CR, along with Dench & Arnold (since they rebooted, they should have rebooted the entire tragic memory of that disappointing time IMO). For SP we only have P&W back (& only late in the day, so there's still hope) thank goodness.
You're not going to seriously say that the Broz bonds were anywhere near as good as the Bourne films, are you?
That's a joke. The Bourne films EMBARRASSED the Broz bonds, and EON simply began to copy their action scenes into their films.
When I first watched the Bourne Identity in the theatres, I was actually quite concerned for my beloved Bond franchise, because I realized how good the film I was watching was (the music, the tension, the pacing, the fights, the location photography etc. etc.). Here was how to do it, I thought. Here was how to keep it real in the 00's. I knew EON would try to do this with Bond....it's just that we had to wait 4 long years between BI in 2002 and CR in 2006 to get the revamped (thankfully) Bond universe.
From my perspective, I didn't care if they rebooted or not. I just wanted a new actor as Bond (since PB had been tainted by that time IMO due to his involvement in the melodrama that was TWINE before and the DAD debacle after) and I wanted an attempt to get back to a more real universe rather than a fantastical, cliche driven one.
EON delivered 4 yrs later with CR.
Bond films aren't realistic. What has been injected recently is an emotional core that is absent from a lot of other entries. Neither the novels, nor the films are particularly 'gritty' IMO, they just feel more tangible and less superfluous when there's some emotional jeopardy. It's why CR and OHMSS are two of the best in the canon. Having said that, the spectrum of tones across the films give the series it's identity and for every OHMSS, I'm glad there's a MR. Variety is the spice of life.
Precisely.
true. not sure why people obsess over the realism and grittyness so much - Bond is notorious for its unrealisitc portrayal of espionage. John Le Carre used to find it reallly annoying that Bond was so successful as he regarded the books and films as total nonsense. he needed to get a sense of humour and realise he was missing the point - Bond is escapist fantasy, with touches of realism, sex and danger. Bourne definitley showed up the dross that EON were making during the Brosnan era but Bond is not really going after quite the same market. it's a unique fantasy world -one of its defining features is actually how detached it is from true reality.
i love classic Bond and I really liked the first three Bourne films, but for very different reasons.
It was certainly a wise move to get more class back into Bond in 2006 and get at least get a bit of reality again.
I remember Martin Campbell saying that in an interview:
"Make it leaner and meaner but at the same time keep the stuff that's great about Bond"