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  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Not so

    Casino Royale is not globally loved as you put it, in fact I was reading some reviews recently where people couldn't find a good word to say about it, and I can fully see where they're coming from. There are a great many people, a high percentage even, that think Craig made for an awful 007 and his debut release was an unmitigated disaster, and 'The Death' of James Bond some even went as far as saying

    You'd be surprised
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Ok, I stand corrected. My impression was to this point that it was loved. Compared to DAD, however, CR gets at a minimum twice the praise.

    But it seems to me, that among Bond fans, CR is very popular atleast.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    There are people that enjoy it, no doubt, it is actually, a very good Bond outing, but not without it's flaws

    It's just that for one person who enjoys it, there will always be next in line someone who treats it with distaste, It's just the way some Bond films go

    Die Another Day however, has a general consensus in that it is simply an abomination of a James Bond movie. Hard to argue



  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    DAD is a different kind of Bond outing thanks to the Darth Vader armor with lightning that Graves has, among other things, but I still think it feels like a Bond movie.
    It follows the formula and is built the way a Bond movie should (apart from Bond being imprisoned, the worst thing about the movie).
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    DAD is a top 10 outing for me while CR is 21st out of 22.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    QBranch wrote:
    Another thing that always amuses me with these villains:

    Even though the villain is filled with rage from Bond thwarting their evil plans, they still feel the need to call Bond 'Mister'. What's with this? If I were Goldfinger or Graves or whoever, I'd be swearing at him, calling him all sorts of things not fit for this forum.

    I myself love that aspect of the films. Like in DN where Dr. No himself serves Bond some dinner while showing off his stolen painting. In FRWL Grant gives him a last cig, in GF Bond is flown on Goldfinger's private plane, and treated to some nice hospitality once there with drink and Pussy(Galore, not you know...). In TB Bond and Largo shoot clay pigeons, then play cards quite gentlemanly. I love that about the SPECTRE themed Bond films, and even GF has it. Gentlemen who just happen to have evil intentions, yet they treat even their enemies in a fair manner. Though some like Grant just want to see him suffer, they still allow him to live just a bit longer.
  • 0iker00iker0
    Posts: 501
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Another thing that always amuses me with these villains:

    Even though the villain is filled with rage from Bond thwarting their evil plans, they still feel the need to call Bond 'Mister'. What's with this? If I were Goldfinger or Graves or whoever, I'd be swearing at him, calling him all sorts of things not fit for this forum.

    I myself love that aspect of the films. Like in DN where Dr. No himself serves Bond some dinner while showing off his stolen painting. In FRWL Grant gives him a last cig, in GF Bond is flown on Goldfinger's private plane, and treated to some nice hospitality once there with drink and Pussy(Galore, not you know...). In TB Bond and Largo shoot clay pigeons, then play cards quite gentlemanly. I love that about the SPECTRE themed Bond films, and even GF has it. Gentlemen who just happen to have evil intentions, yet they treat even their enemies in a fair manner. Though some like Grant just want to see him suffer, they still allow him to live just a bit longer.
    Yes it's true, but in TB it makes sense not to kill Bond, because if he dies, as Fiona said, everyone would know that the Bombs were in Nasau...
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    DArtagnan wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DArtagnan wrote:
    The best thing about DAD is the idea of having Bond captured, tortured, traded (he does not even escape), distrusted and having to escape to find the one who betrayed him.
    What they did with the idea is the problem.

    The film could have been about him searching for the traitor while being hunted by MI6 and other agencies. It should have ended with Bond killing him/her (it does not necessarily have to be Frost).

    Great potential, missed opportunity.
    Absolutely. I've said it so many times before. The entire Brosnan era was a missed opportunity.
    Except GoldenEye.

    True, GoldenEye isn't all tat bad, the story is actually pretty good, the cast is very strong, too bad it wasn't actually made with the actor it was written for.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    As I said in another thread I doubt we'd have had Sean Bean, Isabella, Frankie, Samantha Bond and the tank chase (all aspects I love and wouldn't change for a thing).
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    BAIN123 wrote:
    As I said in another thread I doubt we'd have had Sean Bean, Isabella, Frankie, Samantha Bond and the tank chase (all aspects I love and wouldn't change for a thing).

    Still think Bean should have been Bond. The perfect buffer between Dalton and Craig, and far better actor.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,380
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Not so

    Casino Royale is not globally loved as you put it, in fact I was reading some reviews recently where people couldn't find a good word to say about it, and I can fully see where they're coming from. There are a great many people, a high percentage even, that think Craig made for an awful 007 and his debut release was an unmitigated disaster, and 'The Death' of James Bond some even went as far as saying

    You'd be surprised

    Casino Royale gets an 81 here. Die Another Day gets a 56.

    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/casino-royale
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    while i consider the film Die Another Day a festering sore on Bond's manhood - I will admit, it had it's moments albeit small and few and far between, where it pretended to be a good movie..

    - I do enjoy the opening Hovercraft chase (even if a building blows up without being hit).. I disliked the slow-mo look of Bond jumping away from the flamethrower - but other than that, it was enjoyable.

    - the opening credits, minus Madonna's halfassed attempt at a song, was pretty cool.. i liked the way they used it to progress Bond story - instead of just random girls dancing.

    - the fencing/sword fight was also pretty cool.. always get a chuckle the way Graves just laughs at the end of it all.

    - the Aston vs Jag sequence towards the end was also a highlight..

    but - with all that said, it still doesn't prevent this movie from being a gigantic pile of (you know).. i'm talking jurassic park triceratops size.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    When you compare DAD and QOS- DAD wins because like it or not its a bond film and the story is more clearer than Qantum's muddled shitty story and lets face it there is more humour in DAD than QOS
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    002 wrote:
    When you compare DAD and QOS- DAD wins because like it or not its a bond film and the story is more clearer than Qantum's muddled shitty story and lets face it there is more humour in DAD than QOS

    i found QOS's more subtle humor, a lot funnier and more refreshing than the forced DAD humor... for myself, humor works better when it plays off scene and the moment - not when it tries to draw attention to itself and BE the moment..

    true, DAD has a story... an obnoxiously lousy and audacious one..... give me QOS any day over DAD thank you.
  • JakeNepJakeNep
    Posts: 6
    I personally found DAD to be a really great film up until the Ice Palace. The PTS, Hong Kong, Cuba, sword fight, Q and M scene and the Iceland car chase were all great and thoroughly enjoyable. Arnold's score was also awesome like it usually is (sorry haters). This film had so much potential... To bad the whole Icarus garbage was introduced.
  • chuck007chuck007
    Posts: 172
    002 wrote:
    When you compare DAD and QOS- DAD wins because like it or not its a bond film and the story is more clearer than Qantum's muddled shitty story and lets face it there is more humour in DAD than QOS

    Hmmm yes more humor in DAD than QOS, that's why DAD is completely a Joke film, laughable Bond, cartoonish Bond ...
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited March 2012 Posts: 5,745
    @002 How many times have you seen QoS? And how long has it been since the last.

    Yes, the storytelling is bad, but not the story. Half the people here wanted a revenge story after Tracy's death. Thats what Quantum was intended to be, before the writers strike. Please make sure you shift the blame properly. The story, Bond after Mr. White and Quantum, while trying to cope with the loss of a loved one is a brilliant story. The way the story was told, however, was no good.

    The same with Die Another Day. The story was good, but the writing, acting, and action elements hindered the film, in my opinion.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    As I said in another thread I doubt we'd have had Sean Bean, Isabella, Frankie, Samantha Bond and the tank chase (all aspects I love and wouldn't change for a thing).

    Still think Bean should have been Bond. The perfect buffer between Dalton and Craig, and far better actor.

    Well it should have been Tim, but Sean is a better choice than you know who.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited March 2012 Posts: 5,745
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    As I said in another thread I doubt we'd have had Sean Bean, Isabella, Frankie, Samantha Bond and the tank chase (all aspects I love and wouldn't change for a thing).

    Still think Bean should have been Bond. The perfect buffer between Dalton and Craig, and far better actor.

    Well it should have been Tim, but Sean is a better choice than you know who.

    Ideal:

    Dalton- 1987 - 1998 (7 films)
    Sean- 2000 - 2008 (5 films)
    Craig- 2010 - present (4 films)

    I want a younger actor after Craig, too >:/
    Don't get me wrong, I love Craig. But I would have loved a long Sean period, and Craig looks/is kind of old to take on the role! I'll be happy with whatever we get from him, though :)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2012 Posts: 14,680
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Another thing that always amuses me with these villains:

    Even though the villain is filled with rage from Bond thwarting their evil plans, they still feel the need to call Bond 'Mister'. What's with this? If I were Goldfinger or Graves or whoever, I'd be swearing at him, calling him all sorts of things not fit for this forum.

    I myself love that aspect of the films. Like in DN where Dr. No himself serves Bond some dinner while showing off his stolen painting. In FRWL Grant gives him a last cig, in GF Bond is flown on Goldfinger's private plane, and treated to some nice hospitality once there with drink and Pussy(Galore, not you know...). In TB Bond and Largo shoot clay pigeons, then play cards quite gentlemanly. I love that about the SPECTRE themed Bond films, and even GF has it. Gentlemen who just happen to have evil intentions, yet they treat even their enemies in a fair manner. Though some like Grant just want to see him suffer, they still allow him to live just a bit longer.
    Yes, it's that classy, gentlemanly thing enemies do before one of them dies. Something you see more often in the old 60's films.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DAD is a different kind of Bond outing thanks to the Darth Vader armor with lightning that Graves has, among other things, but I still think it feels like a Bond movie.
    It follows the formula and is built the way a Bond movie should (apart from Bond being imprisoned, the worst thing about the movie).

    The thing is all formula and formula done badly at that.

    You think the humour in DAD is good? You thinks Halle Berry should get commedienne of the year for "Yo mamma" and "I think I got the thrust of it?" Seriously? It was sub Carry-On humour. Humour that would embarass schoolboys. Tamahori even referenced Carry On with Bond which shows you how off kilter he was.

    QoS, the humour is more subtle. But it is there and the story is more adult. But if you prefer the cartoon characterisations of DAD to the three dimensional characters of QoS...then that is your prerogative.

  • 0iker00iker0
    Posts: 501
    actonsteve wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DAD is a different kind of Bond outing thanks to the Darth Vader armor with lightning that Graves has, among other things, but I still think it feels like a Bond movie.
    It follows the formula and is built the way a Bond movie should (apart from Bond being imprisoned, the worst thing about the movie).

    The thing is all formula and formula done badly at that.

    You think the humour in DAD is good? You thinks Halle Berry should get commedienne of the year for "Yo mamma" and "I think I got the thrust of it?" Seriously? It was sub Carry-On humour. Humour that would embarass schoolboys. Tamahori even referenced Carry On with Bond which shows you how off kilter he was.

    QoS, the humour is more subtle. But it is there and the story is more adult. But if you prefer the cartoon characterisations of DAD to the three dimensional characters of QoS...then that is your prerogative.

    Don't even try it @actonsteve, it's a dead end ;)
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    0iker0 wrote:

    Don't even try it @actonsteve, it's a dead end ;)

    Haha, good one.
    actonsteve wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DAD is a different kind of Bond outing thanks to the Darth Vader armor with lightning that Graves has, among other things, but I still think it feels like a Bond movie.
    It follows the formula and is built the way a Bond movie should (apart from Bond being imprisoned, the worst thing about the movie).

    The thing is all formula and formula done badly at that.

    You think the humour in DAD is good? You thinks Halle Berry should get commedienne of the year for "Yo mamma" and "I think I got the thrust of it?" Seriously? It was sub Carry-On humour. Humour that would embarass schoolboys. Tamahori even referenced Carry On with Bond which shows you how off kilter he was.

    QoS, the humour is more subtle. But it is there and the story is more adult. But if you prefer the cartoon characterisations of DAD to the three dimensional characters of QoS...then that is your prerogative.

    Well, I never actually said I like the humor, but not that you ask me...The "especially when you´re bad" line always makes me laugh. The Fidel Castrato joke is good, just as the wheelchair bit, the Q-scene and the scene where Moneypenny dreams about a romantic situation with Bond. Other than that the best humor is the lack of seriousness and not trying to be realistic at all.

  • LudsLuds MIA
    Posts: 1,986
    actonsteve wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DAD is a different kind of Bond outing thanks to the Darth Vader armor with lightning that Graves has, among other things, but I still think it feels like a Bond movie.
    It follows the formula and is built the way a Bond movie should (apart from Bond being imprisoned, the worst thing about the movie).

    The thing is all formula and formula done badly at that.

    You think the humour in DAD is good? You thinks Halle Berry should get commedienne of the year for "Yo mamma" and "I think I got the thrust of it?" Seriously? It was sub Carry-On humour. Humour that would embarass schoolboys. Tamahori even referenced Carry On with Bond which shows you how off kilter he was.

    QoS, the humour is more subtle. But it is there and the story is more adult. But if you prefer the cartoon characterisations of DAD to the three dimensional characters of QoS...then that is your prerogative.

    DAD makes me embarrassed I'm a Bond fan.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    The last hour of CR honestly makes be embarrassed, thanks to the emo stuff.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Luds wrote:
    DAD makes me embarrassed I'm a Bond fan.

    That's how I feel about CR and QOS... talk about destroying the original novel..... DAD on the other hand is pure entertainement, tons of fun and laughs... DAD is pure awesome ! And of course, Brosnan delivered a much more Flemingesque performance than Craig in either of his 2 films....

    DAD is up there with Johnny English 1 and 2 as one of the best british spy films of the 21st century !! (yet) !!******


    ****** Yes, I do happen to love 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy aswell' so no need to blow a fuse.
  • LudsLuds MIA
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,986
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    The last hour of CR honestly makes be embarrassed, thanks to the emo stuff.

    At least it's properly acted. The only Fleming coming out of Brosnan is if he ate a book... Richard Simmons would deliver a Better Bond!

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  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Luds wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    The last hour of CR honestly makes be embarrassed, thanks to the emo stuff.

    At least it's properly acted.

    Yeah, I gotta give you that atleast. It certainly is.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,723
    Luds wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    The last hour of CR honestly makes be embarrassed, thanks to the emo stuff.

    At least it's properly acted. The only Fleming coming out of Brosnan is if he ate a book... Richard Simmons would deliver a Better Bond!

    Eh ? Brosnan delivered one of the most Fleming-esque performance in DAD !! A huge middle-finger directed at the appalling TWINE, and his awful melodramatic performance in the 1999 outing.
  • LudsLuds MIA
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,986
    Agreed about TWINE, repeat for DAD.
    Well Brosnan was better in DAD but that's not saying much. The travesty was in DAD, more than Brosnan's performance. The middle finger was Tamawhore-i giving it to Babs, probably why you enjoy it so much DC!
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