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"Dont blow it all at once ": Die Another Day Appreciation Thread

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  • Problem_EliminatorProblem_Eliminator Ojai, CA
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    I just saw NSNA for the first time ever and I also didn't care for it especially that video game part that was awful.I was surprised at how attracted I was to kim basinger didn't expect that after batman.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Problem_Eliminator wrote: »
    I just saw NSNA for the first time ever and I also didn't care for it especially that video game part that was awful.I was surprised at how attracted I was to kim basinger didn't expect that after batman.

    Agreed. The video game scene has aged horribly. I understand they probably thought they were being all cutting-edge but they really should've just stuck to Bond and the villain playing baccarat or golf.

    Something else that aged even worse in NSNA is it's horrid musical score (which was never good to begin with). John Barry on the other hand always knew how to craft timeless music. Hell I'll even take Eric Serra's Goldeneye score over the cheap sounding jazz we got in NSNA.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    OP had heart. NSNA was a work of hatred.
    OP had a great score. NSNA had... I'm sorry, no words for that 'thing'.
    OP was the result of about a year of work. NSNA was close to a decade in the works and THIS is what we got?
    OP worked from a fresh script. NSNA was a remake.

    As for the clown and gorilla and whatnot, how about Bond defeating a thug with his urine or battling it out with sharks "with friggin' lasers on their heads" (or a close variety of that, thank you, Dr. Evil. ;-) ), or driving a horse from an impossible height into the water, ...

    I mean, seriously, if we're going to defend NSNA against OP, the party's on! :-)
  • AtlantisAtlantis
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    I agree with Darth Dimi hear.
    Octopussy is great fun from the start. Fantastic theme song too.
    What's wrong with the clown suit? It makes perfect sense for Bond to don the make up et al, he's undercover. Isn't this what undercover spies sometimes are required to do?
    The Moore period had such a sense if fun. I'll defend it to the death!
  • AtlantisAtlantis
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    How about Connery wearing Japanese make up in YOLT??!!!
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Just wanna be clear about NSNA, I'm not touting this as Citizen Kane. The video game sequence was pretty underwhelming, and the film's climax was sudden and uninspiring. That stated, a solid if unspectacular story with good villains, a good opening with action that involved not a tickle, wink or pinch from the Moore years.

    Honestly, NSNA is ranked at 60% at rotten tomatoes, which it deserves for its mediocrity, but certainly not in the ballpark of clown costumes, gorilla suits, sitting tigers and the sad camp of the Moore years.
    OP's rank is 42%, btw.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Atlantis wrote: »
    I agree with Darth Dimi hear.
    Octopussy is great fun from the start. Fantastic theme song too.
    What's wrong with the clown suit? It makes perfect sense for Bond to don the make up et al, he's undercover. Isn't this what undercover spies sometimes are required to do?
    The Moore period had such a sense if fun. I'll defend it to the death!

    Fun, camp, self-parody and an air of cartoonishness, yes.

    Regarding Sean's japanese surgery in YOLT, yes that was terrible. The space stuff was even worse. What's your point? Trying to get me to defend that? Not gonna. I love the Connnery films, but bad is bad and I can objectively look at the overall scope of the franchise.
  • AtlantisAtlantis
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    Hey, I love Connery too, he is my favourite Bond.
    I suppose my point was that you can find flaws that maybe laughable to some people in all the films. These aren't down to the lead actors, more just how the films were made in that climate.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2015 Posts: 15,723
    I wonder if there is a tape of the filmed reactions of MGW, Babs, Brosnan and Tamahori watching the finished product of DAD for the first time. I would gladly watch that 5 times a day than DAD. They must have been bouncing off the walls for the entire film. And the kicker at the end, when they look at each other and say ''Yup, looks good, lets release this for audiences around the world. We have nothing to be ashamed about this film, right?''
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Atlantis wrote: »
    Hey, I love Connery too, he is my favourite Bond.
    I suppose my point was that you can find flaws that maybe laughable to some people in all the films. These aren't down to the lead actors, more just how the films were made in that climate.

    Well, regardless of who made the choice, and at this point it's safe to state that it was a collective decision between EON, the directors and the lead actor of the Moore films to make them camp, clearly the tone of the stories still being translated from Fleming to screen suffered.

    I could make a pretty good argument that the quality of OHMSS was not matched until Casino Royale.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    doubleohdad wrote: »

    I could make a pretty good argument that the quality of OHMSS was not matched until Casino Royale.
    But none of that makes any difference now. It's all worthless hindsight. The producers have the job of moving the series forward and making the best films they can. And when Craig finishes they have to find the right actor to carry the baton forward.
    Cubby and Harry signed Moore up, and found the format to suit the masses, not just the fan boys. There's no money to be made in suiting a few hundred hard core anoraks is there?

    We can discuss and debate and shout our views from every thread going, but no one will truly budge from their opinions. Moore fans are plentiful, and they won't sway their opinions.

    Good luck though.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Watch die another day as a double feature with batman and robin. Sober. I dare you;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    ThomasCrown76 wrote: »
    Watch die another day as a double feature with batman and robin. Sober. I dare you;)

    If the other choice is watching Die Hard 5, then I'd do that no problem :p

  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    ThomasCrown76 wrote: »
    Watch die another day as a double feature with batman and robin. Sober. I dare you;)

    No kidding!
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    I wonder if there is a tape of the filmed reactions of MGW, Babs, Brosnan and Tamahori watching the finished product of DAD for the first time. I would gladly watch that 5 times a day than DAD. They must have been bouncing off the walls for the entire film. And the kicker at the end, when they look at each other and say ''Yup, looks good, lets release this for audiences around the world. We have nothing to be ashamed about this film, right?''

    I think they knew that the series had skidded out of control, and the newer, bolder, more exciting Bourne films had come out and embarrassed the Broz Bonds, so they had to do something.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh now, DAD can be fun if you're in the proper mood. Even sober.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    watched an interview with broz earlier where he was talking about getting the boot and he said how surprised he was because he thought everything was goimg so well. but in another interview he talked about seeing the first Bourne movie and being blown away by it and realisisng the standard had just gone up several nothces. when you put those two statements together, and then watch DAD, you have to question what Brosnan was on. didn't he realise that you couldnt keep on making Bond films like TWINE and DAD when Bourne was so much better?
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Lol, they're overrated a bit. Way too much shaky cam
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Well Brosnan was pretty impressed - he says in one interview you felt the scope and standard totally change for spy thrillers when Bourne came out
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Well Brosnan was pretty impressed - he says in one interview you felt the scope and standard totally change for spy thrillers when Bourne came out
    Yes, he's not afraid to spread the 'influence accolades' & for that I applaud him.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'll take TWINE and DAD over any of the Bourne films.
    On this we solidly agree, bro!
    B-)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'll take TWINE and DAD over any of the Bourne films.

    Oh hell yeah! :-bd
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'll take TWINE and DAD over any of the Bourne films.

    TWINE is a GOOD FILM. It has everything: Interesting but admittedly overcomplicated and badly explained plot, exotic locations, well developed characters (which is not necessarily a requirement for a bond film, although can work well as it does here), humor that isn't campy for the most part, etc. DAD on the other hand, absolutely horrific.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited January 2015 Posts: 12,521
    I do enjoy TWINE quite a bit; I realize it has its faults, but for me it's easily the second-best Brosnan film after GE.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited January 2015 Posts: 1,310
    Funnily enough, I remember critical reaction to Die Another Day initially mixed. It seemed critics were mostly split, but many were fairly indifferent (not great, not horrible). On top of that, it was a financial success, so there's that for whatever it's worth.

    However, the film has aged like a piece of raw meat in the sun, and I can't ever remember liking it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I enjoy Die Another Day for the most part. If Pierce can surf a glacier, I can run from a giant can. =))
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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Not to derail the thread but you can watch the whole video here. My senior year video project. :))

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    No problem. :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Not to derail the thread but you can watch the whole video here. My senior year video project. :))


    That was a lot of fun! And I noticed a Honey I Shrunk The Kids movie poster in the background.
  • SuzanneStoneSuzanneStone
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    Probably mentioned before but I thought the ice palace was a pretty worthy villain lair.
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