"Dont blow it all at once ": Die Another Day Appreciation Thread

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  • Posts: 19,339
    I think OP and AVTAK were excellent posters as well...brilliantly executed..
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I've long since given up any hope of a decent poster given the last truly great one was in 1987.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    I love those painted posters or even photoshopped posters (yes, also DAD's one). Actually I miss that in Craig's era and I would love if they decided to come back to those.

    Obviously they are trying to be "modern" with the Bond series and trying to convince people that Bond is not old fashioned, hence those minimalistic posters during Craig tenure. But, fortunately, I think the painted work will come back.

    Check this recent masterpiece by Kyle Lambert:

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    It is an homage to the great Drew Struzan: http://www.drewstruzan.com/illustrated/

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    I'd love something like these in the Bond series... (McGinnis should be a reference, of course: http://www.mcginnispaintings.com/

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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Star Wars has been quite happy to continue with classic posters. Whatever you say about the quality of the prequels and TFA at least the posters are still in the grand tradition of old.

    Shame Bond hasn't got similar confidence in its traditions rather than foist all this photoshop crap on us.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I always loved this and the TND posters. But the one sheets have really declined in quality since then. Every Bond film since '97 has had a better teaser poster than a full poster.
  • The old posters are certainly the best. I'd say TLD was the last really great one but I have always liked GE's "there is no substitute" teaser and the one @CraigMooreOHMSS posted is pretty good.

    The DAD one is a bit videogamey but at least it has some colour and actually shows off the film. I think it's the best of the Brosnan posters after GE, and I'll take it any day over the artistic genius of "black and white Bond with a machine gun in the desert", "black and white Bond standing in a gunnbarrel that won't be used in a film", "photoshopped Bond standing in front of photoshopped London in a gunbarrel that won't be used in the film", not forgetting the masterpieces of "here's Bond in a turtleneck and that's literally it" and "photoshopped Bond and Madeline in front of background pic of Bond in disguise". I guess the Quantum Of Solace one Gustav posted with Bond and Camille isn't as bad as most of the Craigs but by Bond standards it's still poor.

    I think CR had an amazing teaser and the actual poster was decent, but it's been all downhill from there (except the SP teaser with the glass forming the logo, but does that even count or was it just for the press conference reveal?). Most of the Brosnan ones aren't very good either but at least they have some colour to them and tease the film. At least they try to be remotely eye catching.
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    The old posters are certainly the best. I'd say TLD was the last really great one but I have always liked GE's "there is no substitute" teaser and the one @CraigMooreOHMSS posted is pretty good.

    The DAD one is a bit videogamey but at least it has some colour and actually shows off the film. I think it's the best of the Brosnan posters after GE, and I'll take it any day over the artistic genius of "black and white Bond with a machine gun in the desert", "black and white Bond standing in a gunnbarrel that won't be used in a film", "photoshopped Bond standing in front of photoshopped London in a gunbarrel that won't be used in the film", not forgetting the masterpieces of "here's Bond in a turtleneck and that's literally it" and "photoshopped Bond and Madeline in front of background pic of Bond in disguise". I guess the Quantum Of Solace one Gustav posted with Bond and Camille isn't as bad as most of the Craigs but by Bond standards it's still poor.

    I think CR had an amazing teaser and the actual poster was decent, but it's been all downhill from there (except the SP teaser with the glass forming the logo, but does that even count or was it just for the press conference reveal?). Most of the Brosnan ones aren't very good either but at least they have some colour to them and tease the film. At least they try to be remotely eye catching.

    Yeah, the posters for the Craig films have been very disappointing, which is a shame since it's been a good era in terms of the films.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 623
    DAD is among the breed of Bond films I love, like MR, DAF, YOLT, MR, TSWLM, TMWTGG

    I think the reason it gets so much flack is because it was kind of dated, even back in 2002. I watched it last night after seeing this thread, and it's loads of fun. It's a cousin of the fun 'romps' like TSWLM and Moonraker. I like it.
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    It's good in parts ( Cuba,swordfight.Mr Chang in Hong Kong,the clinic etc) but it deteriorates badly until the stage I am at now where as soon as the finale comes on I switch it off as it just annoys the hell out of me.

    And that shouldn't happen with ANY Bond film.
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    "DAD" for me is an abomination. Last week I decided to give it a try once again. I turned it off once those awful main titles showed up.
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    The main thing that annoyed me about DAD is that I was expecting a gritty and realistic Bond, knowing that Bond got tortured and then there were invisible cars and a whole load of silliness.
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    Brosnan himself isn't bad at all in it...he is a more world,weary Bond,which he would be after being held captive etc.

    Its just all the crap that goes on all around him....
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Brosnan himself isn't bad at all in it...he is a more world,weary Bond,which he would be after being held captive etc.

    Its just all the crap that goes on all around him....

    See I'm not so sure now. True he's more confident but there's several scenes where his performance is over-done. The hospital scene with JD is the most apparent one.
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    Yes, sometimes PB does not know what to do with his hands and the pointing and overacting IMHO within the hospital scene does show his limitations
  • Posts: 19,339
    Oh the hospital scene was seriously naff,i agree on that....!!
  • Posts: 11,425
    EON should at least commission an old school type poster for posterity with each film, even if they don't use them in the marketing
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    "DAD" for me is an abomination. Last week I decided to give it a try once again. I turned it off once those awful main titles showed up.

    Main titles is the only decent thing in the film.
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    "DAD" for me is an abomination. Last week I decided to give it a try once again. I turned it off once those awful main titles showed up.

    Main titles is the only decent thing in the film.

    Along with Halle Berry's arse of course ;)

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    There's a good bit of fun to be had in DAD - PTS, the Cuba scenes, the Zao/Bond chase, the sword fight between Bond and Graves. I've warmed to the title sequence over the last few months, I used to loathe it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Arnold's score is great too. It's one of the few attributes that make the film watchable, IMO.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Ironically, if DAD didn't exist, Craig would most likely not have been cast as James Bond. Either DAD is replaced with another GE-level success, and Brosnan would have carried on with a 5th film, thus Craig would then be too old to be chosen. Or, Brosnan ends with TWINE, and Bond #6's casting would take place well before Craig enters EON's radar (with Layer Cake), and in this case he would also not have become Bond.

    That's the irony of this franchise. Without 'bad' decisions, EON won't course-correct the series' direction. DAD doesn't need CR to happen, but CR needed DAD to happen (in it's present form).
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    Die Another Day is stupid but I confess to quoting the "just surviving" line fairly regularly.

    A rare moment of half decent script-writing.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ironically, if DAD didn't exist, Craig would most likely not have been cast as James Bond. Either DAD is replaced with another GE-level success, and Brosnan would have carried on with a 5th film, thus Craig would then be too old to be chosen. Or, Brosnan ends with TWINE, and Bond #6's casting would take place well before Craig enters EON's radar (with Layer Cake), and in this case he would also not have become Bond.

    That's the irony of this franchise. Without 'bad' decisions, EON won't course-correct the series' direction. DAD doesn't need CR to happen, but CR needed DAD to happen (in it's present form).

    Very good observation.

    Was the misery of DAD worth enduring to get CR?

    I suppose so.

    Even if DAD had only been dialled back a little instead of being a total OTT fest then they might have though we'll just carry on with Brozza as normal and now we've got the rights to CR might as well film it with him.

    Perhaps we should all be thanking Tamahori as without him maybe the Craig era wouldn't have existed at all and we'd be now debating whether a 63 year old Brozza could get away with doing one more film after looking distinctly long in the tooth in SP?
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,130
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    The main thing that annoyed me about DAD is that I was expecting a gritty and realistic Bond, knowing that Bond got tortured and then there were invisible cars and a whole load of silliness.

    But they went slowly into that direction if you notice the film starts to get lighter and more traditional Bond since he is shaving in his hotel in honk kong and the masseus appears.

    It wasn't a sudden change, the film built till we get to that point, even the first part of the ice Palace its very Bondian with the icaurous presentation.



  • Posts: 11,189
    Brosnan is good in the prison exchange scene but Kenneth Tsang is REALLY good. He has a real air of authority and cynicism (his delivery of the line: "I don't condone what they do here")
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Brosnan is good in the prison exchange scene but Kenneth Tsang is REALLY good. He has a real air of authority and cynicism (his delivery of the line: "I don't condone what they do here")

    I found Kenneth Tsang rather unremarkable. The moments he pauses between the lines he is uttering, are an uncomfortable reminder of an actor who's only learning his stuff by heart without putting any emotion in it. His acting felt stiff, and rather 'stacato'.

    Here's why we should love actors like Mads Mikkelsen, Javier Bardem and even Christoph Waltz. Regardless of how their roles were written, you believe the stuff they are saying. You get sucked into their acting.

    And acting is another huge flaw of the entire film. Even Oscar winner Halle Berry had a serious 'off day' when I see her acting in that abomination. DAD is pure 'popcorn-porn', and then the popcorn is even burnt:
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    There, I said it :-P.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Yes Kenneth Tsang is very good. Despite not having much to do, he gives off an enormous sense of presence. I think the prisoner exchange scene is probably my favorite of the film, maybe even the Brozz era as a whole.

    *Watch out for the next you see the prisoner exchange - Zao walks like a Thunderbirds puppet after he and Bond vow vengeance upon each other. Rick Yune acts like one as well.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They saved Tamahori s brain.
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    They saved Tamahori s brain.

    If only they'd given it back to him.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Ironically, if DAD didn't exist, Craig would most likely not have been cast as James Bond. Either DAD is replaced with another GE-level success, and Brosnan would have carried on with a 5th film, thus Craig would then be too old to be chosen. Or, Brosnan ends with TWINE, and Bond #6's casting would take place well before Craig enters EON's radar (with Layer Cake), and in this case he would also not have become Bond.

    That's the irony of this franchise. Without 'bad' decisions, EON won't course-correct the series' direction. DAD doesn't need CR to happen, but CR needed DAD to happen (in it's present form).

    Very good observation.

    Was the misery of DAD worth enduring to get CR?

    I suppose so.

    Even if DAD had only been dialled back a little instead of being a total OTT fest then they might have though we'll just carry on with Brozza as normal and now we've got the rights to CR might as well film it with him.

    Perhaps we should all be thanking Tamahori as without him maybe the Craig era wouldn't have existed at all and we'd be now debating whether a 63 year old Brozza could get away with doing one more film after looking distinctly long in the tooth in SP?


    I find it difficult to find any justification for the Brosnan era. Okay Dalton didn't break any box office records, but did they really have to reduce Bond to the level of CBeebies? The Brosnan era is not just a low point for Bond, it's a cinematic catastrophe full stop. Rog had his embarrassing moments but his films blend cheese, great action, high camp and some wonderful dramatic scenes into an irresistible cocktail. Brosnan just makes you want to bury your head in your hands and pretend it never happened.

    So, although CR was a massive step up (how could it have been anything else) I'm not sure DAD or the Brosnan era was worth it. Especially as the Craig era has gone on to be such a mixed bag itself.
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