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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Just imagine Lee Tamahori in the place of Toby Stephens during his final fight with Bond on the aeroplane and suddenly the film becomes a masterpiece ;)
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    I honestly thought at the time that Tamahori was Japanese or something when the film was released, but originates from New Zealand

    I wasn't really aware of any of his work before Bond, maybe he just should of steered clear of this area in hindsight
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited March 2012 Posts: 6,709
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Univex wrote:
    Off topic for a bit: what are your favourite movies? (non-Bond)

    On the top of my head: Schindler's List, Senna, The Mission (1999 hong kong film), Full Monty, Trainspotting, Raiders of the lost ark, Up, Saving Private ryan.....

    Holly crap!?! We do share some tastes. Some, not all. But still...
    Only one more question out of topic, as a Raiders fan, what did you think of Indy4? Oh, and Senna is just awesome. And so is The Mission (the other one...1986)
    ;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Univex wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Univex wrote:
    Off topic for a bit: what are your favourite movies? (non-Bond)

    On the top of my head: Schindler's List, Senna, The Mission (1999 hong kong film), Full Monty, Trainspotting, Raiders of the lost ark, Up, Saving Private ryan.....

    Holly crap!?! We do share some tastes. Some, not all. But still...
    Only one more question out of topic, as a Raiders fan, what did you think of Indy4? Oh, and Senna is just awesome. And so is The Mission (the other one...1986)
    ;)

    I hate Indy 4.

  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    Oh my...You are ok!
    Cheers...my friend. =D>
    Goes to show me there´s always some common ground between peple ;)
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    While it's easy to be critical of Brozza bashing the chap is a sport for Luds.

    I've got used to it.

    I'm the first to give credit when credit is due. Same goes for travesty... How can a topic on DAD not invoke wiping one's rear end?

  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    Univex wrote:
    Oh my...You are ok!
    Cheers...my friend. =D>
    Goes to show me there´s always some common ground between peple ;)

    My my, what civility! It's nice to see.

  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    JBFan626 wrote:
    Univex wrote:
    Oh my...You are ok!
    Cheers...my friend. =D>
    Goes to show me there´s always some common ground between peple ;)

    My my, what civility! It's nice to see.

    Hey, someone who hates Indy4 can´t be all that bad.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    "Perhaps I misjudged DaltonCraig-- anyone who hates Indy 4 can't be all bad!"

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Luds wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    While it's easy to be critical of Brozza bashing the chap is a sport for Luds.

    I've got used to it.

    I'm the first to give credit when credit is due. Same goes for travesty... How can a topic on DAD not invoke wiping one's rear end?

    No, giving credit is what HapHazard does. He's certainly no Brosnan fan but he's certainly a little fairer than you are ;) You're just...harsh :p
  • LudsLuds MIA
    Posts: 1,986
    BAIN123 wrote:
    No, giving credit is what HapHazard does. He's certainly no Brosnan fan but he's certainly a little fairer than you are ;) You're just...harsh :p

    And this is the PC, General Admission version too ;)

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Glad to see that we agree on something @univex !! :)>-
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Luds wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    No, giving credit is what HapHazard does. He's certainly no Brosnan fan but he's certainly a little fairer than you are ;) You're just...harsh :p

    And this is the PC, General Admission version too ;)

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    If Brosnan bashing was an olympic sport, Luds would be undefeated since 1995... :-B
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    And you probably dont remember the Croupier years. Luds was unstoppable. BMW videos and all. Ah, good old times.
  • 002002
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    @002 How many times have you seen QoS? And how long has it been since the last.

    i watched QOS three times- once in the cinema in 2008- walked out disapointed, Once on DVD at My Friends in 2009 and One time at home- in 2010 i hated it so much...but ofcourse i hated Die Another Day back in 2002 but found it more enjoyable now
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2012 Posts: 14,582
    When it comes to Bond, I'm one of those fans who enjoy both straight-up spy thrillers (FRWL/FYEO/CR) and over-the-top action-fantasy adventures (MR/DAD) equally. That way I get the best of both worlds. Strictly as a Bond film, DAD is just okay- but as an action adventure on it's own, I find it highly enjoyable. I can watch it any day of the week- and my fave film is FRWL!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    I see actonsteve is still blinded by his total love of Craig and CR... I feel sorry for him... oh well I'll pop in DAD in the dvd player today and enjoy a real, proper, entertaining Bond film with a real and proper Flemingesque performance from a real and proper Bond actor.
    I feel that in the same token you are bought by the comedy filled Bonds and are blinded by your love of Moore too much to see greatness in serious Bond films like CR and QoS. You may want a so called "proper" Bond film, enjoy Moore all you want, but I like my films(especially Bond) serious and ones that I couldn't show to an eight year old.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited March 2012 Posts: 4,399
    Brosnan's performance in DAD was his most comfortable outing in the role.. i mean it's obvious that he looked more relaxed as Bond than in previous films.... but i would hardly call it Fleming-esque....... was it at times? sure - but so was Moore in a handful of scenes, and he was the farthest removed from being the Fleming Bond than any of the actors....... Brosnan had his moments like Moore, but what is left after those moments, is far removed from anything resembling the Bond that I read in the Fleming novels...... and his performance hardly justifies giving this film a passing grade. - because nothing else about it (save for Arnold's score) was any good.

    I respect everyone's opinion on here, and their love for certain Bond films over others.... but when i think of "proper Bond films", i think of From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, The Living Daylights...... some how, for me, Die Another Day just doesn't fit anywhere in those films...
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    If Brosnan bashing was an olympic sport, Luds would be undefeated since 1995... :-B

    He'd win the gold medal. wi
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    I see actonsteve is still blinded by his total love of Craig and CR... I feel sorry for him... oh well I'll pop in DAD in the dvd player today and enjoy a real, proper, entertaining Bond film with a real and proper Flemingesque performance from a real and proper Bond actor.
    I feel that in the same token you are bought by the comedy filled Bonds and are blinded by your love of Moore too much to see greatness in serious Bond films like CR and QoS. You may want a so called "proper" Bond film, enjoy Moore all you want, but I like my films(especially Bond) serious and ones that I couldn't show to an eight year old.

    There's nothing wrong in being able to show a Bond film to an 8 year old. In fact I think its quite sweet for kids being allowed to see a Bond film alongside their parents. Most people get their initial exposure to Bond as a kid.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,718
    HASEROT wrote:
    Brosnan's performance in DAD was his most comfortable outing in the role.. i mean it's obvious that he looked more relaxed as Bond than in previous films.... but i would hardly call it Fleming-esque....... was it at times? sure - but so was Moore in a handful of scenes, and he was the farthest removed from being the Fleming Bond than any of the actors....... Brosnan had his moments like Moore, but what is left after those moments, is far removed from anything resembling the Bond that I read in the Fleming novels...... and his performance hardly justifies giving this film a passing grade. - because nothing else about it (save for Arnold's score) was any good.

    I respect everyone's opinion on here, and their love for certain Bond films over others.... but when i think of "proper Bond films", i think of From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, The Living Daylights...... some how, for me, Die Another Day just doesn't fit anywhere in those films...

    IMO Moore in TMWTGG is one of the most flemingesque performance in the franchise. About Brosnan in DAD - he's acting in that film is simply a huge middle finger directed at TWINE, where he acted all melodramatic, wussy, like a 'trained theater actor' with all his gesture and hilarious (if not cringe-worthy) body-language... Frankly I much prefer the much more serious, fun, no-bullsh*t acting he gave in DAD over TWINE anyday. Brosnan seemed much more relax, strong, authoritary in DAD than his OTT performance in TWINE.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    With TWINE for me he's good in some scenes (the PTS, the castle, the construction site, the casino, the underground mine, killing Electra but REALLY bad in some other scenes.

    Watch Haphazard's review for a good analysis of his performance.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,718
    BAIN123 wrote:
    With TWINE for me he's good in some scenes (the PTS, the castle, the construction site, the casino, the underground mine, killing Electra but REALLY bad in some other scenes.

    Watch Haphazard's review for a good analysis of his performance.

    The castle ???!!!!!

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0206.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0264.htm <-- way too melodramatic from Bond

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0266.htm <-- again OTT reaction to the extreme

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0282.htm <-- why so condenscending on Dench ?

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0298.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0300.htm



  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0206.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0264.htm

    They're fine

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0266.htm

    It's a touchscreen computer

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0282.htm

    Again fine

    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0298.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0300.htm

    Fine

    Nothing wrong with those.

    I make gestures like that when I think and ponder. Stop overreacting.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    BAIN123 wrote:
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0266.htm

    It's a touchscreen computer

    lol can't you see he's wiping her tear on a computer screen ? =))

    And no I'm not overreacting. If I was, I would have posted the funny faces he pulls in the Thames chase.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    If you can ignore a good bit, DAD is real enjoyable. I love the first half of the film, especially the sword fight and the whole bit in Cuba. It does get too cheesy for me from there on out, but I can still sit down and watch it without too many problems.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    http://screenmusings.org/TheWorldIsNotEnough/pages/TWinE_0266.htm

    It's a touchscreen computer

    lol can't you see he's wiping her tear on a computer screen ? =))

    And no I'm not overreacting. If I was, I would have posted the funny faces he pulls in the Thames chase.


    Yes I can see it. And??
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    Creasy47 wrote:
    and the whole bit in Cuba.

    I love the huge smile Brosnan has on his face when he pushes the wheelchair, and his only line of dialogue is 'gracias !'
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Yes I can see it. And??

    Nothing, I'm saying it's un-Bond to the extreme. A totally OTT reaction from 007.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    and the whole bit in Cuba.

    I love the huge smile Brosnan has on his face when he pushes the wheelchair, and his only line of dialogue is 'gracias !'
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Yes I can see it. And??

    Nothing, I'm saying it's un-Bond to the extreme. A totally OTT reaction from 007.

    I didn't think it was all that bad but there we go.

    Bond wouldn't say "I have no armour left, you've stripped it from me" either but no one cares about that.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,718
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Bond wouldn't say "I have no armour left, you've stripped it from me" either but no one cares about that.

    I do - I hate that line.
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