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Over on the Bond parody page, I did one of Rog in Licence to Kill- sprouting the same silly one-liners that he always did.
Had he stuck around until LTK for real though? True, if he had stayed until TLD he may very well have been in LTK as well... Would have been pretty cool to see Roger 'out for revenge'- plus it would have been the same Felix that he had worked with in LALD. Seeing ROGER get his licence to kill revoked and going rogue?? Would have been a dream come true to see if done straight and not with the same kiddie humor that a bunch of his movies had.
Of course, Rog would have been 61 by then. :-S
Me personally, I want as much Dalton as I can get. He should have had OP & AVTAK.
Rog should have left earlier, but he also should have started earlier (since I just love the guy and wouldn't want less of him)
Too bad about that dry spell from 1989-1995. That would have solved this whole thread right there!
Moore : 9 films 1973-1989
Dalton : 5 films 1991-1999
Brosnan : 7 films 2002-2016
OK fine then, TD until 99, then give DAD as is to Brosnan and move over to the revamp with Craig. :)
Why? Bean would simply not have auditioned for lead, but could very well have done for villain anyways. Isabella is forgettable, Famke was old enough for Dalton, Sam Bond could very well have been in there too, and I see no reason the tank chase would have been done another way.
I would certainly miss all of them-- GoldenEye is very special to me for being the only Bond movie where I love all the characters.
On the other hand though, when Dalton was still up for the part, wasn't Alan Rickman up for OO6? Maybe it would have been worth it for that!!
Isabella is my favourite Bond girl so ur wrong right there ;) I can quote a lot of her dialogue off the top of my head. Shows how much u know. :p
Trevelyan and Bond are meant to be round the same age aren't they so I'd have thought someone a bit closer to Dalton's age would have been cast.
I do enjoy the tank chase as it is - despite the silly nature of it.
We don't like Brosnan because of the films he did, but we all say that GoldenEye was quite good... Then, the major problem is the Script.
By all means, if you like man-voice, she can be yours! I'll take Famke ;)
Dalton wasn't that old in 95 and an actor like Bean certainly could have been made to look a bit older, or at least within the same age range.
Eh ? Scorrupco is one of the sexiest woman I've ever seen ! You must be nuts to prefer Famke to her !! ;)
Famke is fit too but she's insane. I'd rather have a nice, attractive lady who WON'T kill me.
Luds can take her. His flamboyant personality would go hand in hand with her's. :p
I wouldn't say so much "man" as "robot" - reminds me of Arnie :))
Lol
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I think there is a certain amount of disinformation put around about Dalts - namely that he wasn't popular and that he was overly serious. What this actually means in the 'business lingo' of the money men is that he wasn't well known in the US. I seem to remember TLD being a pretty solid hit in the UK and generally regarded as an improvement on AVTAK. TLD also did well internationally I believe. Fortunately the US market is no longer as vital to a movie's success as it used to be and so we hopefully won't have to put up with having another Brosnan foisted on us because he is supposedly what the US public wants.
I also think the 'darkness' aspects of Dalton's portrayal are overdone. TLD is an entertaining and often lighthearted movie, not a million miles away from the Moore era. LTK is certainly one of the more 'serious' films in the franchise, but since we never had a third Dalton film, it's impossible to say if this was intended to become the model for all future Dalton outings. I suspect that after the problems that LTK had with certificates and age ratings, they would have lightened up for Dalts 3.
Any way, in answer to the question, yes obviously even one more Dalton film would have been preferable to the drek we were served up during Operation Brozza.
Famke's charms come from the hips. That splits the difference. ;-)
I have to admit I don't notice the hips first in a woman... the visage is more important for me :)
I get the impression Dalton was loved more by the hardcore Bond fans than he was by wider audiences - a lot of whom who had grown up on Roger Moore. I was too young to remember first hand but it sounds like TLD was sucessful as was Dalton - though I don't get the feeling he ever set the world on fire despite what some may say.
Daylights is indeed a solid enjoyable movie delivering the right amount of espionage action and fun. There are a few issues I have with it but overall I enjoy it.
It was definitely Kill that seemed to ruin things for Dalton.
Here's an extract from an interview with Graham Rye:
OO7 seemed to heartily endorse Timothy Dalton’s Bond with many excellent issues and covers. Looking back, what do you think of the Dalton era now?
I think it was a valiant attempt by Timothy Dalton and the filmmakers to bring Bond back down to basics, nearer to the first two films in the series. At the time I think it was certainly the best Bond film since On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, although not really in quite the same class as George Lazenby’s one shot appearance as 007. Unfortunately with Licence To Kill I think Dalton’s influence for a darker more somber Bond backfired, and led the filmmakers up the wrong path. The film also wasn’t helped by a monumentally inadequate promotional campaign that just more or less said to the public, ‘ho hum here’s another James Bond movie.’ The James Bond of Licence To Kill, for me, is neither the Bond of Ian Fleming’s novels or the accepted movie version, the latter probably being nearer the reason for the film’s cool reception. Its international distributors UIP publicized that the film had grossed over $42,553,744 in the international market place, putting it substantially ahead of all other Bond films in the series at that time in its release. But this did little to dispel the feeling that the general public at large just weren’t on the same wavelength as Timothy Dalton’s interpretation of James Bond. Regardless of what the band of faithful believe, Timothy Dalton just wasn’t popular with the everyday cinema-going public. Regularly meeting people from all walks of life, if they discover my profession the conversation usually turns to a brief summary of who they think the best James Bond actor was, almost universally, especially from men, panning Timothy Dalton in the role, with George Lazenby running a close second.
I can enforce this. Other than one or two friends and faceless people on this forum most people I've talked to (including people old enough remember the Connery era) just didn't take to him. Even Connery has been quoted criticising him.
Also, here's an old review of TLD from The Radio Times:
This was Timothy Dalton's debut as 007 and it was already pretty clear that he lacked the necessary ironic touch that made the credibility-straining action seem fun rather than ridiculous. Director John Glen (making his fourth Bond, after second-unit and editing work on others) should have known better, and departed the scene along with Dalton after Licence to Kill. Although adapted from an Ian Fleming story, the plot is merely an excuse for a little globetrotting, as Bond tries to help Jeroen Krabbé's Soviet general to defect. Maryam D'Abo's Czech cellist and Joe Don Baker's arms dealer don't help much, either.
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If any actor is the underdog of the Bond franchise its Dalton.
However I do feel that, in some ways, Dalton was "too serious" in that I can't imagine him using women (i.e. sex) to get what he wanted. Of all the Bond's he came off as the least "philanderous". Would that have changed with GE? Perhaps but we'll never know. Having grown up with that film I wouldn't change it for anything.
But compare the dialoges in GoldenEye with the ones in TND... The only good line is "the empire strikes back" and as Eliot said, it's not even theirs...
I'll take 'em both personally.
I see your point. Brosnan did look like he was still coming out of the 80's with his big hair in GE. He looks really refined in TWINE and DAD. Bond should always 'look' about 40 (Connery despite being 31 in DN looked about 40 already). With age comes experience, and I find Bond more convincing as an experienced spy with more years under him. Lazenby certainly looked a lot older than 28--probably late 30's and Moore could pass for about 38-40 in LALD. It's all about the demeanor.
Where do you get flamboyant? There isn't a person that is as down to earth and calls it like it is than moi! ;)
Scorupco's looks were fine, although she certainly isn't at her best in GE. It's the hair I think.
As for the man-voice comment, it's related to her very ogre-sounding yells.
As for Scorupco, during the million plus one times I've seen GE combined with all the interviews I've read/seen its never occured to me that she sounds "ogre-ish". :)) :))
You must give me the name of your otolaryngologist !! =))
We can find quotes slating Connery or Moore if we look hard enough. The line from the Radio Times is hilarious, given what came later during the Brozza period - 'lacked the necessary ironic touch that made the credibility-straining action seem fun rather than ridiculous'. And are we supposed to take a throw away film review from the Radio Times seriously? TLD was a genuine hit in its time, with most critics rating Dalts pretty highly. As far as I'm aware it still remains pretty popular. LTK was for me a little off key (although it has good elements).