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Dalton opposite Helen Mirren as M... food for thought....
Well both are trained in Shakespeare (I think) so perhaps not. Then again can Dalton's Bond be described as a "sexist, mysoginist dinosaur"?
I also wouldn't want to rob Dench of an actor she clearly enjoyed working with.
Exactly my line of thought. While some don't like that line, I think it did signal an important shift in the times. It seperated GE in a way from the previous films. Plus add in the end of the Cold War. So it seems only fitting: new era, new Bond.
Also, why do fans have a problem with the M, Bond, Moneypenny stuff? The MP scene was clearly light-hearted and M says to Bond "come back alive" - indicating she still has respect for him. The scene between Bond and M in GE is a good one.
I don't think Brosnan should be proud his first female 'conquest' in his tenure was that dreadful looking woman... dare I say she looked horrible. Dalton scored much better with the boat lady in TLD. Couldn't EON have found a better looking woman for Pierce's first conquest as Bond ?
She was fine. She was the sexually repressed librarian type but get her out of those clothes and she'd be a hottie ;)
Plus the bit about being a relic of the Cold War would have worked because we actually saw Dalton doing Cold War stuff. We'd be seeing the old Bond in a new element.
On top of that, Dalton and Dench would have been a wonderful sight!
I don't think so.... :-B
Given how Bond has been treated since, I think they should have stopped making Bond films after LTK.
That is a good point, perhaps I'm being a bit harsh. Although tbh I never found the flirtations between Dalton and Caroline Bliss that convincing:
"Why James she's just your type
wrong again MP...you are"
Its probably because of the rather bland Caroline Bliss to be fair (I know I'm going to get a backlash now but I just never found her that memorable - apologies).
Part of me agrees, part of me wouldn't want to miss GE, TND and DAD.
Also, I can't be certain how GE with Dalton would have been greeted. I'm sure it would have been sucessful given the 6 year hiatus but would it have been the powerhouse it was? I was too young to be around at the time but I do have my gut feelings.
As I understand it, he wasn't doing so well himself until TSWLM came out and changed everything.
This is when I feel like Dalton could have hung around and eventually won over the audience
One has to wonder what the series would have been like in the Brosnan era if the film-makers <i>really</i> addressed this issue. Let's be honest, besides the abuse he gets from the females in the office about being a mysoginist, he's still his usual self, shagging multiple women per film. His number of conquests actually increased (no pun intended) during the Brosnan years from the Dalton years. So what if the films were written where he actually was getting denied from all the women? Would it still be Bond, or would it take Bond too contextually? This is is the contradiction: by Judi Dench's M calling him a relic, mysoginist, etc...she's defining Bond of the 60's and 70's and placing him in the modern time, which doesn't make sense if you think about...Am I making sense here by the way? I tend to ramble on with my thoughts sometimes, so sorry if this sounds convoluted.
Gosh, I wish I was around in the 70's to catch LALD, TMWTGG, and Spy in the theatres upon initial release.
Agreed, the Bond series had experienced a gradual decline for years since Moonraker, so I could only imagine a third Dalton film furthering that decline.
The difference was that Rog was already a hugely popular figure before starring in Bond. He'd won huge audiences in the UK with The Saint and in America with The Persuaders. Basically he didn't have to try as hard as Dalton did.
Gosh I do feel increasingly bad for Dalts but these are my honest gut feelings.
I think the idea was to acknowledge the more "politically correct" climate but not weaken Bond. Hence the whole "dinosaur" stuff was not taken that much further in case fans like us started moaning (which many did anyway).
Personally I don't think it does weaken Bond. Yes he's been given a dressing down by his boss but he's still driving a tank and shagging the women.
I tend to agree with what good old Barry says here:
with the exception of GE and possibly TND - i would say they could've done without TWINE and DAD... nothing memorable was contributed by the latter - i could throw TND in that mix as well, but it was Brosnan's last film that resembled anything close to a good Bond movie...
seeing as how I am probably now in the minority (since it's vogue to hate on CR) - but CR was the first Bond movie in a long while (since probably TLD) that felt like a BOND film to me..... it stripped away all the nonsense, and brought it back to basics, and gave Bond the edge and physicality he had lacked during the Brosnan era.
DAD was memorable but for the wrong reasons.
TWINE had the boat chase and a few other good scenes but that was about it.
Is it vogue to hate CR? Perhaps a few aren't that keen on it but I think the majority on here (myself included) consider it a fine Bond movie.
judging by the countless threads i see complaining about Craig, and also countless posts about how terrible the film is.... i think it's safe to say a sizeable group on this board hate the film.... which is fine - their opinion and all....
but i for one think it's the best Bond film since the 60's - and second only to FRWL.
But as a Bond movie it is truly horrible. And compared to action movies from the 2000´s like Transporter 3 and Crank, CR is not so hot to say the least.
of course, you and i define our Bond films differently... our top 5 would show that instantly lol.
:-h
Good observation. Brozza looks like a total idiot in GE - 1980s big hair, awful cravat. They completely lost the plot with that movie.
no more emo than Bond crying at the end of OHMSS - again, over someone he loved, THAT HAD JUST DIED!... calling it emo is a cop out.... because it clearly, clearly isn't.
OHMSS is emo too, but not as much.