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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @mnhettia, I felt that the Joker was the complete opposite of complex. Unhinged and interesting? Absolutely, but his plan was simple: destruction and chaos. The only thing that could be considered 'complex' was his background, but he has never been given one. As for his plan, he only has one goal.

    I think I would have enjoyed the ending to TDKR better if the fight scene between Batman and Bane is longer, and Batman realizes that he can't possibly succeed without breaking his one rule, so he has to succumb to it. I just didn't like Catwoman rolling in, blasting him into the wall, and it's brushed off for a new villain. He deserved a better exit.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @mnhettia, I felt that the Joker was the complete opposite of complex. Unhinged and interesting? Absolutely, but his plan was simple: destruction and chaos. The only thing that could be considered 'complex' was his background, but he has never been given one. As for his plan, he only has one goal.

    I think I would have enjoyed the ending to TDKR better if the fight scene between Batman and Bane is longer, and Batman realizes that he can't possibly succeed without breaking his one rule, so he has to succumb to it. I just didn't like Catwoman rolling in, blasting him into the wall, and it's brushed off for a new villain. He deserved a better exit.
    It could have ended better, but not that way. Batman killing undermines every single moment he has trained from Begins to Rises. As Bruce said in BB, it is the one thing that separates him from them, and that really is crucial. It would be blasphemy, and fall to the level of Batman 89 and Returns, which on the surface look good, but at the core are horrible adaptions of the comics.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    SaintMark wrote:
    (Even if I find Michelle Pfeifers' catwoman is easily the sexiest of the two imho.)

    I agree with you there.


    I think Bane was a great villian, and I'm glad he was very different to Joker. He did have a crap death though.
    obin_gam wrote:
    It was first a cartoon set in the future BTAS-universe. In 2011 they actually created a comic of it aswell. It is awesome :)

    BTAS is the animated series, right? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm not really familiar with Batman apart from the films and the videogames. I've just looked up Batman Beyond on the internet and watched some youtube clips, and I was thinking maybe it could be the next Batman film with Levitt. Except since Wayne is living somewhere else with Catwoman now, Alfred or somebody could take the role of "old guy teaching new Batman"
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    (Even if I find Michelle Pfeifers' catwoman is easily the sexiest of the two imho.)

    I agree with you there.


    I think Bane was a great villian, and I'm glad he was very different to Joker. He did have a crap death though.
    obin_gam wrote:
    It was first a cartoon set in the future BTAS-universe. In 2011 they actually created a comic of it aswell. It is awesome :)

    BTAS is the animated series, right? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm not really familiar with Batman apart from the films and the videogames. I've just looked up Batman Beyond on the internet and watched some youtube clips, and I was thinking maybe it could be the next Batman film with Levitt. Except since Wayne is living somewhere else with Catwoman now, Alfred or somebody could take the role of "old guy teaching new Batman"

    And if Bane was just like Joker everyone would be complaining right now, saying Nolan is being lazy and just marketing off the popularity of the portrayal. BTAS=Batman the Animated Series, yes. The best cartoon ever.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Then I feel they should have given Bane a better death. Catwoman blowing him away and scooting off in a five or ten second window didn't cut it for me. He should have had better.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think it would be great to see his own side turn on him and ravage him when the police force has them beat and while his mask is in flux. They really aren't too many satisfying ways to take him out. Suggestions?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    In the Comics Bane was a menace with a backstory and his mask didserve some purpose and destroying it by Batman meant that he had a chance of winning the fight.
    Nolans' Bane was simply a front for the real baddie and Nolan did do little effort in disguising that fact. The rest was really a straight forward actioner that lacked most psychological strengths that TDK or BB actually contained.

    I fear that Nolan did not take enough time to think about the script, polish it and make it interesting. A Shame really. I am curious what he is going to do next now that he has been freed from the Batmans' Bane.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I thought the film was very psychologically interesting. Batman Begins was a focus on Batman's creation and that as an eternal symbol, Batman can be anyone, and the rules Bruce holds from the moment he puts on his cape and cowl are the most important aspects of his crusade because they keep him separate from the actions of the villains he battles. TDK focused on the fact that all men, no matter how good, can be utilized and turned evil, and that Batman can't kill Joker out of the nature of his ethics, and the Joker won't kill him because he enjoys facing him too much. It all boils down to the Joker being the reason why Batman is needed, and vice versa. At the end we touch on the fact that maybe sometimes being a hero doesn't mean doing what seems the right thing, but the necessary thing. Batman could take the rap for Harvey's crimes and create that lie because it was the only way to save Gotham from outright despair and lost faith. In that act he and Gordon lie, but in the service of doing good. And finally in Rises we see a resurgence of the common thread running through the trilogy: "why do we fall"? Batman faces an enemy that not only checks him back into reality, but breaks him to the point where he must rise back again, to pick himself back up. Another aspect is that Bruce has put down the mantle, but with nothing left to draw him back into a normal life, he withers away awaiting a time where Batman is needed once again. Bruce in this moment becomes a tragic figure. His life has predicated on the very death of his parents that night so long ago, and the greater whole of his life has been so long in the service to fight the crime that took their lives that he doesn't know how to live in a time where that duty no longer needs fulfilled. Rachel was his life after Batman, and now that she is gone, there is in association no life for him after that. Alfred's heartbreak over this fact and that he simply wants the best for Bruce in his denial over Rachel's choice and his overall motivations for continuing to don the suit add to this. The greatest impact felt in this film is not from the invasion, but from the choice Batman and Gordon made 8 years past. They have given Gotham a picturesque idyllic world founded upon a lie to serve the purpose of retaining Gotham's faith, and that very lie has ruined both men. Bruce no longer has a connection to the outside world and collects dust like the suit he gave up in service of that deceit, while Gordon too toils in the guilt that ultimately leads to his wife taking the kids and leaving after his long dedication to the police force he has kept going so strong. In prison, Bruce sees that the only way to overcome the climb is to fear death, something that his training told him to forsake and instead use unto others. This outline's the League of Shadows and their flaws in teaching, and why Bruce's decision to leave them served such a greater purpose. In reality, Bane is Bruce Wayne if he went the route of the League, and just as Bane is in denial of the pain he has to hide with the mask, Bruce too is in denial of his own mortality he has to learn the hard way and eventually learns from as the film ends. He can't be Batman forever, and like in TDK we touch on Harvey's truth that Batman doesn't see this as a long time duty, but only a temporary crusade until someone is found to take up the mantle, in this case: John Blake. And the last scenes of the film define this. Batman as a symbol is all that is important. As Bruce says, anyone can be a hero, anyone can be Batman. The symbol will give the hope to the people, a martyr for the darkest of times, and truly will be legendary, everlasting. As the film closes we finally see Bruce realize all the faults he has held since his very innocence was stripped away from him as a boy, and moves on to a life free of the chains that held him for the greater part of his life. That rest, as seen through the eyes of Alfred, is a good rest. A deserved rest for a hero who fought so hard and gave so much.

    So in reality, @SaintMark, Rises to me not only has the most powerful themes running through it of the trilogy, but also ones that hold the most meaning, the most emotive response. While the themes in Begins and Dark Knight are very much the definition of who Bruce/Batman is and why he does what he does, Rises is the focus on who Bruce/Batman is when the latter is no longer needed, and how the former can move past his duties in the role of that hero to an earned retirement.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited August 2012 Posts: 12,837
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I think it would be great to see his own side turn on him and ravage him when the police force has them beat and while his mask is in flux. They really aren't too many satisfying ways to take him out. Suggestions?

    I like your idea.


    I wouldn't mind Catwoman killing him like in the film, in fact it made lots of sense, but just blasting him with a cannon and bam, he's gone, the big threat of the entire film just wiped out, it was a let down. So I'd have liked it if Catwoman had killed him in some other more satisfying way that I can't think of.
  • LeQueuxLeQueux
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    Bravo OBrady. I'm sure you noticed the TWINE connection, the similar menage a trois of Bane/Renard, Talia/Elektra and a nuclear device? So if Nolan references Bond in his take on Batman should we expect the possibility of the reverse should Eon beckon. I've always fancied the prospect of some of the earlier Bonds being remade. Some of Roger's outings updated/retooled for a contemporary audience just like Casino Royale. Nolan being involved in some capacity could be a major move for Eon. They might consider using a director who could plan a continuity, perhaps Nolan could pitch the possibility of the Blofeld trilogy redux. Meanwhile back at Bats I never saw much in Anne H, but when she slung her ample hips over the world's biggest vibrator the Bat Pod..aagh no wonder she was smitten. Her line about guns sold Bane's demise. Bane had some great dialogue (if you want to read a great action thriller about an unbeatable villain with withering dialogue get Peter O'Donnell's "A Taste For Death" it's one of Quentin Tarantino's favourites - you'll also find the character Danial Craig was born to play!). TDKR ending - Alfred should have just raised his head to look straight at camera and left it open for us to interpret. When I used to reccomend Batman Begins to people I'd say it's the Godfather of comic book films, then came The Dark Knight and...well you see my point.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited August 2012 Posts: 5,767
    I sharply disagree to these comparisons with Renard, who used his organization to lift the woman he fell in love with on a throne, so she could rule an empire. Bane does nothing of that sort. He knows that the one who sets off the bomb will go up with it. He is an equal to Talia, not her tool.


    And I must confess I quite like how he is thrown across the room by Selina´s shot.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I thought the film was very psychologically interesting. Batman Begins was a focus on Batman's creation and that as an eternal symbol, Batman can be anyone, and the rules Bruce holds from the moment he puts on his cape and cowl are the most important aspects of his crusade because they keep him separate from the actions of the villains he battles. TDK focused on the fact that all men, no matter how good, can be utilized and turned evil, and that Batman can't kill Joker out of the nature of his ethics, and the Joker won't kill him because he enjoys facing him too much. It all boils down to the Joker being the reason why Batman is needed, and vice versa. At the end we touch on the fact that maybe sometimes being a hero doesn't mean doing what seems the right thing, but the necessary thing. Batman could take the rap for Harvey's crimes and create that lie because it was the only way to save Gotham from outright despair and lost faith. In that act he and Gordon lie, but in the service of doing good. And finally in Rises we see a resurgence of the common thread running through the trilogy: "why do we fall"? Batman faces an enemy that not only checks him back into reality, but breaks him to the point where he must rise back again, to pick himself back up. Another aspect is that Bruce has put down the mantle, but with nothing left to draw him back into a normal life, he withers away awaiting a time where Batman is needed once again. Bruce in this moment becomes a tragic figure. His life has predicated on the very death of his parents that night so long ago, and the greater whole of his life has been so long in the service to fight the crime that took their lives that he doesn't know how to live in a time where that duty no longer needs fulfilled. Rachel was his life after Batman, and now that she is gone, there is in association no life for him after that. Alfred's heartbreak over this fact and that he simply wants the best for Bruce in his denial over Rachel's choice and his overall motivations for continuing to don the suit add to this. The greatest impact felt in this film is not from the invasion, but from the choice Batman and Gordon made 8 years past. They have given Gotham a picturesque idyllic world founded upon a lie to serve the purpose of retaining Gotham's faith, and that very lie has ruined both men. Bruce no longer has a connection to the outside world and collects dust like the suit he gave up in service of that deceit, while Gordon too toils in the guilt that ultimately leads to his wife taking the kids and leaving after his long dedication to the police force he has kept going so strong. In prison, Bruce sees that the only way to overcome the climb is to fear death, something that his training told him to forsake and instead use unto others. This outline's the League of Shadows and their flaws in teaching, and why Bruce's decision to leave them served such a greater purpose. In reality, Bane is Bruce Wayne if he went the route of the League, and just as Bane is in denial of the pain he has to hide with the mask, Bruce too is in denial of his own mortality he has to learn the hard way and eventually learns from as the film ends. He can't be Batman forever, and like in TDK we touch on Harvey's truth that Batman doesn't see this as a long time duty, but only a temporary crusade until someone is found to take up the mantle, in this case: John Blake. And the last scenes of the film define this. Batman as a symbol is all that is important. As Bruce says, anyone can be a hero, anyone can be Batman. The symbol will give the hope to the people, a martyr for the darkest of times, and truly will be legendary, everlasting. As the film closes we finally see Bruce realize all the faults he has held since his very innocence was stripped away from him as a boy, and moves on to a life free of the chains that held him for the greater part of his life. That rest, as seen through the eyes of Alfred, is a good rest. A deserved rest for a hero who fought so hard and gave so much.

    So in reality, @SaintMark, Rises to me not only has the most powerful themes running through it of the trilogy, but also ones that hold the most meaning, the most emotive response. While the themes in Begins and Dark Knight are very much the definition of who Bruce/Batman is and why he does what he does, Rises is the focus on who Bruce/Batman is when the latter is no longer needed, and how the former can move past his duties in the role of that hero to an earned retirement.

    Well Brady I am glad that you found so much in the movie, even if I find some of the reasoning a bit farfetched. But then again I saw a decent actioner with too much pretentions and a wee bit of psychobabble in order to make it interesting. Working in that field myself I could not get overly excited. For me TDKR was not living up to the expectation and I am glad we get a reboot. It will only improve matters imho.

    As a cinematic experience it was an allright movie, visually not better than that other superhero spectacle. But then again I prefer Whedon over Nolan most of the time.

    O:-)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @SaintMark, fair enough mate. I know you are that big into Batman, and that is just me saying my piece on the character. We'll just have to see what is on the horizon for him in the future.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Now that I think about the police thing, that would have been excellent: Bane was the reason why all of the police officers were stuck underground for months, and in a hint to what happened earlier in the film, he helps Miranda escape again while a multitude of people rush and beat him, only this time, they put him down for good. Beats Batman killing him, I'm not sure why I ever wanted that in the first place. Like you said, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, that would have ruined everything that Batman stood for throughout the entire trilogy.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Now that I think about the police thing, that would have been excellent: Bane was the reason why all of the police officers were stuck underground for months, and in a hint to what happened earlier in the film, he helps Miranda escape again while a multitude of people rush and beat him, only this time, they put him down for good. Beats Batman killing him, I'm not sure why I ever wanted that in the first place. Like you said, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, that would have ruined everything that Batman stood for throughout the entire trilogy.
    You´re contradicting yourself. A multitude of people beating Bane to death would be revenge and self-administered justice. It would have ruined everything that Batman stood for the same way as if he himself had killed Bane.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    But Batman couldn't have stopped them. By the time he manages to get the cops to stop, Bane is dead. It's not his fault, he didn't kill him. He didn't seem to care when Catwoman shot him with a f*cking cannon.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But Batman couldn't have stopped them. By the time he manages to get the cops to stop, Bane is dead. It's not his fault, he didn't kill him. He didn't seem to care when Catwoman shot him with a f*cking cannon.
    The crowd killing Bane would have been more or less the same as the copycats in TDK. Selina saved Batman´s life. What was he supposed to do? Scold her for keeping Bane from blowing Batman´s brains out? Bane had his finger on the trigger of a shotgun aimed on Batman´s head.

    Besides, the crowd turning and killing the manipulator, how´s that supposed to be original?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    boldfinger wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But Batman couldn't have stopped them. By the time he manages to get the cops to stop, Bane is dead. It's not his fault, he didn't kill him. He didn't seem to care when Catwoman shot him with a f*cking cannon.
    The crowd killing Bane would have been more or less the same as the copycats in TDK. Selina saved Batman´s life. What was he supposed to do? Scold her for keeping Bane from blowing Batman´s brains out? Bane had his finger on the trigger of a shotgun aimed on Batman´s head.

    Besides, the crowd turning and killing the manipulator, how´s that supposed to be original?

    So if it is in defense, you can kill Bane, but not outright in the other way? That is quite contradictory as well, if it is done at all.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    boldfinger wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But Batman couldn't have stopped them. By the time he manages to get the cops to stop, Bane is dead. It's not his fault, he didn't kill him. He didn't seem to care when Catwoman shot him with a f*cking cannon.
    The crowd killing Bane would have been more or less the same as the copycats in TDK. Selina saved Batman´s life. What was he supposed to do? Scold her for keeping Bane from blowing Batman´s brains out? Bane had his finger on the trigger of a shotgun aimed on Batman´s head.

    But she still killed him, and Batman didn't mind. And anyway, maybe in this ending, Bane went to pick up the shotgun, started loading it and then the police (want revenge) or the mercs (turning on him) stormed in and beat him to death. Batman manages to breaks up the crowd, but Bane is already dead.

    It's a much cooler death than just being shot. After being built up as this big threat, then BAM!, he's dead, it was a crap end to a great villian.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    boldfinger wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But Batman couldn't have stopped them. By the time he manages to get the cops to stop, Bane is dead. It's not his fault, he didn't kill him. He didn't seem to care when Catwoman shot him with a f*cking cannon.
    The crowd killing Bane would have been more or less the same as the copycats in TDK. Selina saved Batman´s life. What was he supposed to do? Scold her for keeping Bane from blowing Batman´s brains out? Bane had his finger on the trigger of a shotgun aimed on Batman´s head.

    But she still killed him, and Batman didn't mind. And anyway, maybe in this ending, Bane went to pick up the shotgun, started loading it and then the police (want revenge) or the mercs (turning on him) stormed in and beat him to death. Batman manages to breaks up the crowd, but Bane is already dead.

    It's a much cooler death than just being shot. After being built up as this big threat, then BAM!, he's dead, it was a crap end to a great villian.

    Like I said a few posts back, if time warranted it, Bane is going to kill Batman, he is stormed on and knocked out severely. He is take back to the pit and the ledges are demolished so he can never escape again, always having that ray of hope in the darkness. As the camera pans away we hear his screams. I would be more satisfied with that, because I just think it is weird to kill the main villains, especially in a Nolan film where most of the main villains live.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    So if it is in defense, you can kill Bane, but not outright in the other way? That is quite contradictory as well, if it is done at all.
    If you don´t make any difference between self defence and vigilante justice, then your statement is correct.
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But she still killed him, and Batman didn't mind. And anyway, maybe in this ending, Bane went to pick up the shotgun, started loading it and then the police (want revenge) or the mercs (turning on him) stormed in and beat him to death. Batman manages to breaks up the crowd, but Bane is already dead.
    The idea of Batman was to inspire people to not be afraid of the bad guys and to bring them to justice, not to lynch them.
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    It's a much cooler death than just being shot. After being built up as this big threat, then BAM!, he's dead, it was a crap end to a great villian.
    If you feel like that, that´s fair enough. I feel the other way round. Bane was a big, solid, strong guy, and it took a gun that could blow a 10ft hole into a wall of cars to take him out. That´s a cool end to a great villain. Having him torn apart by a mob would be meh.
    But that´s just my opinion.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Like I said a few posts back, if time warranted it, Bane is going to kill Batman, he is stormed on and knocked out severely. He is take back to the pit and the ledges are demolished so he can never escape again, always having that ray of hope in the darkness. As the camera pans away we hear his screams.
    I´m sorry, but that ending doesn´t appeal to me at all. It would be at home in a Tim Burton film, but that is something completely different.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I would be more satisfied with that, because I just think it is weird to kill the main villains, especially in a Nolan film where most of the main villains live.
    Twoface was a major character in the comics if I´m right, yet in TDK, as soon as he became Twoface, he died. So I see it as absolutely normal if Bane dies at the end of the film, even if he was the main villain. Oh, and Ra´s al Ghoul died if I´m not mistaken? So there´s pretty much of a balance between live and dead villains.
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    Tim Burton would have ended Bane stupidly I am sure. But only before ruining the character beyond compare like he did most of the characters in the lore.
  • 00130013
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    I agree that Bane's death was a little disappointing because he was a big character and his demise should have been more impressive. But when there was Talia's revelation I think his importance diminished, for the sake of the story. So reflecting on this perhaps it wasn't that bad after all.

    Anyway, I want the DVD now!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @boldfinger, so it was okay for Catwoman to kill Bane, but not the police officers?
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @boldfinger, so it was okay for Catwoman to kill Bane, but not the police officers?
    As I tried to point out already several times: Yeah, Selina killing Bane was okay because otherwise she would have allowed Bane to kill Batman. And no, the police officers tearing Bane to pieces would not have been ok, rather it would have been the opposite of the basic idea of bringing people to justice instead of lynching them.
    Selina shot Bane the moment before he pulled the trigger on Batman. Had she not shot him, Batman would be dead. Perhaps you can descibe a scenario with the police officers tearing Bane apart that fulfills the same purpose of immediately saving someone´s life? The scenarios presented here so far were all about a lynch mob, not about saving a life from sure death.
    Selina shooting Bane didn´t involve emotion, just reacting to a life-or-death situation. The mob killing Bane would be an emotional act, an act of retaliation. Batman stands for justice, not revenge.


    In a long shot, one could of course wonder if Batman´s philosphy of putting the villains behind bars is such a good idea, because prison usually isn´t the best way to socially integrate a person, and in the case of the Joker for instance it seems futile and highly dangerous. And also without the Joker, it was shown that the criminals weren´t closer to respecting society in general, otherwise freeing them from prison wouldn´t have been so catastrophal for the city. But at least his interest in educating orphans allows the thought that Batman has ideas also for re-educating people who already went down the wrong path.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    So if Bane was going to kill Batman but was shot down by the cops, that would be fine then? I just don't see how self defense warrants murder, as it is murder nonetheless, but I am done arguing such an already loose point. Bruce was helping the orphans to give back to them and give them a better life after tragedy. Batman is his answer to fighting that crime that killed his parents, and he knew what the kids were going through. I don't see them as going down the wrong path, though there was the sad reality of the over 16 year old kids going to find work in the sewers and ending up dead.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    More wonderful indicators that the ending wasn't a dream:
    http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/08/08/the-dark-knight-rises-ending-five-reasons-it-wasnt-a-dream/
    Granted, imbeciles will be imbeciles and troll that it is all a dream, not paying attention to Nolan's flashing lights that scream IT'S REAL! IT'S REAL!
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    If we´re talking about dreams at all, it would be more probable that the whole Bane experience was presented in an extremely subjective point of view of Bruce Wayne, including nightmarish imaginations of his twisted soul. So both Bane´s sudden death and Batman´s explosion could represent the act of waking up, or letting go of things that haunted Bruce.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    boldfinger wrote:
    If we´re talking about dreams at all, it would be more probable that the whole Bane experience was presented in an extremely subjective point of view of Bruce Wayne, including nightmarish imaginations of his twisted soul. So both Bane´s sudden death and Batman´s explosion could represent the act of waking up, or letting go of things that haunted Bruce.

    =))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited August 2012 Posts: 24,257
    Wow. :D

    Let me tell you about a dream; about my dream, the dream in which Hathaway's Catwoman graces my world.

    Three times now have I seen TDKR and all three of those times my crush on her has grown more intense. ;-) Anne Hathaway is exactly the Cat from the first comics, IMO. Newmar, Meriwhether, Kitt, Pfeiffer, Berry.. She tops them all, I'd say. Every time she's on screen, I know why I love this film so much. For me, she's the best thing in it. Sexy, devious, smart, brave, complicated, gorgeous... and there's a fabulous actress behind all that!
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