Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    barryt007 wrote:
    Oh and also :
    I found it bland because at the end of the day, Kanaga was just a drug dealer. A drug dealer with a clever idea and some cool henchmen but still just a drug dealer. At the end of LALD, Bond stopped a heroin producing operation. He did that in five minutes at the beginning of Goldfinger.

    LTK would have the same issue if it was just Bond stopping Sanchez but you also have the revenge/rogue angle, which I think makes it much more interesting.

    And also Sanchez had the Stinger missiles,threatening to shoot down a commercial airliner dont forget,which Bond had no idea about until half way through.
    A nice little twist in the plot.

    I've just had a thought. The Lockerbie bombing wasnt even a year before the release of LTK (Pan Am are even advertised when Bond is at the airport) so wouldn't that sort of plot line be a little risky - especially as the target was intended to be an AMERICAN airliner.

  • Posts: 19,339
    BAIN123 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    Oh and also :
    I found it bland because at the end of the day, Kanaga was just a drug dealer. A drug dealer with a clever idea and some cool henchmen but still just a drug dealer. At the end of LALD, Bond stopped a heroin producing operation. He did that in five minutes at the beginning of Goldfinger.

    LTK would have the same issue if it was just Bond stopping Sanchez but you also have the revenge/rogue angle, which I think makes it much more interesting.

    And also Sanchez had the Stinger missiles,threatening to shoot down a commercial airliner dont forget,which Bond had no idea about until half way through.
    A nice little twist in the plot.

    I've just had a thought. The Lockerbie bombing wasnt even a year before the release of LTK (Pan Am are even advertised when Bond is at the airport) so wouldn't that sort of plot line be a little risky - especially as the target was intended to be an AMERICAN airliner.

    Yep,this is one thing i have always noticed,i remember thinking about it at the time when i saw it in the cinema ,but it seems to be something everyone overlooks or doesnt connect the two,luckily.

    I can only presume the fact that nothing actually happens to an airliner,and it being only a sub-plot,is the reason they left it in and didnt cut it.

    However,i always wondered if this,maybe in a small way,contributed to the film's bad takings in the US.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    It's not been something I've thought of massively when watching the film in fairness. It's just your last post reminded me. Does seem a little strange that Pan Am would want to be involved in a film that even mentioned such as a scenerio.
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    They were on the verge of going under due to the Lockerbie Bombing so i think they needed revenue and advertising as much as possible.

    Alas,it was too little too late.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    I would not mind seeing a Bond film all in b/w.

    I do believe that the great Tiimothy Dalton wanted to do Casino Royale as a b/w period piece. Would have loved that.
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2014 Posts: 10,512
    barryt007 wrote:
    when he has had enough he will come out and say so

    I'm sure of this. He's seems too smart to let his tenure drift. I think he'll get out when he either, feels he can't take the character further, or doesn't feel like the writing/direction is up to scratch (ie pre-production).
  • I would not mind seeing a Bond film all in b/w.

    I do believe that the great Tiimothy Dalton wanted to do Casino Royale as a b/w period piece. Would have loved that.

    Wasn't that Quentin Tarantino who wanted to do that with ol' Pierce Brosnan?
  • Wasn't that Quentin Tarantino who wanted to do that with ol' Pierce Brosnan?

    I know Tarantino wanted to do CR with Brosnan, I'm not sure about B/w though.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I'm so sad Tarantino never made one. It would have rocked the Bond world IMO.
  • Birdleson wrote:
    I don't think I would have liked it. Most everything he's done since JACKIE BROWN has oozed homage and send up to the point of losing any substance underneath. I just don't see it working out.

    I agree. I like Tarantino's movies but I don't think him and Bond would've clicked. Something just wouldn't be right.

    As for Tarantino's films I like Kill Bill 1 and I love Inglorious Basterds but his "crime trilogy" of those first three are still the best.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I like some of Tarantino's movies but he would not have made a good Bond movie, let alone Casino Royale. This is the best source to see why.
    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/cr_quentin_tarantino_timeline.php3
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    I would not mind seeing a Bond film all in b/w.

    I do believe that the great Tiimothy Dalton wanted to do Casino Royale as a b/w period piece. Would have loved that.

    Wasn't that Quentin Tarantino who wanted to do that with ol' Pierce Brosnan?

    Yes, but Dalton mentioned it years before QT called action on his first movie. Also, although QT wanted to do CR, he also said that if he didn't do it, it would fail. Yeah, it failed big time QT! I like his early output but he has come to believe his on hype and I don't think a QT Bond would have worked - and please EON keep him away from Bond.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I think Tarantino's direction generally is not right for a Bond film.

    And a Bond film in b/w and period would upset the balance of the whole series.
    I'm sure someone could do it as a TV movie or series,SKY maybe,as long as approval is given by EON,which is unlikely.
  • barryt007 wrote:
    I think Tarantino's direction generally is not right for a Bond film.

    And a Bond film in b/w and period would upset the balance of the whole series.
    I'm sure someone could do it as a TV movie or series,SKY maybe,as long as approval is given by EON,which is unlikely.

    Tarantino's style would work as good on a Bond movie as "Bourne's" style did.

    You're not invited, please stay away.

  • Posts: 19,339
    You're not invited, please stay away.

    Care to explain what you mean by this comment ?
  • chrisisall wrote:
    I'm so sad Tarantino never made one. It would have rocked the Bond world IMO.

    It would be great to have Tarantino do a one-off non EON Bond film that's not part of the official canon--like NSNA. That said, for the Craig-era, it wouldn't be a good idea, IMO. You know that it would be full of vulgarities, nudity and violence and would never get the PG-13 rating that a Bond film needs in order to get its huge audience.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    barryt007 wrote:
    You're not invited, please stay away.

    Care to explain what you mean by this comment ?

    Let's hope he was referring to Tarantino
  • Tarantino doesn't have enough class to direct a Bond film. Not a good one, anyway.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 1,405
    barryt007 wrote:
    You're not invited, please stay away.

    Care to explain what you mean by this comment ?

    I don't want, or need, any "Tarantino" style of director working on a Bond film. So "Tarantino's" like directors please stay away.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Aaah
    barryt007 wrote:
    You're not invited, please stay away.

    Care to explain what you mean by this comment ?

    I don't want, or need, any "Tarantino" style of director working on a Bond film. So "Tarantino's" like directors please stay away.

    Aaah thats what i thought you meant.....and i agree with you.
    Bond and Tarantino do not mix,he would have murdered CR if he directed it.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Tarantino doesn't have enough class to direct a Bond film. Not a good one, anyway.

    That's exactly my concern with Tarantino directing a Bond film. Great writer/director. But he's so up himself, he believes he could 'make' a James Bond film. You're not that good Quentin, maybe in his own head.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I think Tarantino is absolutely spectacular, one of my favorite directors of all time, but I don't think he should do a Bond film at all.
  • Posts: 11,189
    I have great fun laughing at/with Toby Stephens hamming it up in DAD.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Toby Stephens could have made for a really good Bond.
  • Posts: 11,189
    I wonder whether he might have made a good Fleming.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I have great fun laughing at/with Toby Stephens hamming it up in DAD.

    I agree!
  • Posts: 11,189
    Don't get me wrong I don't think he's a 'good' villain, but I do find myself laughing at his over-the-top smarminess.
  • BAIN123 wrote:
    I have great fun laughing at/with Toby Stephens hamming it up in DAD.

    I feel that way about Carver in TND. Graves just came across as smug and annoying to me.
  • Posts: 11,189
    I quite enjoy Carver too actually. Both are in the same 'bad but entertaining' list of villains imo. Charles Grey's Blofeld may be in that list too...just.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    Carver was failed by the script.
    The script was fine. It was Brosnan's YOLT or TSWLM. It wasn't meant to be Shakespeare. Now go and actually WATCH the movie, K? :))
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