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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    DAF has the best script in the franchise.

    Seems to be controversial at the moment........

    So it's a better script than FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, GE and CR??

    CR is at the bottom, so yes. As for the other 4 they are slightly behind.... and I'd add TMWTGG too.

    You must give me the name of your oculist.
  • WVPoefWVPoef
    Posts: 147
    SaintMark wrote:
    WVPoef wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    002 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    WVPoef wrote:
    The Opera House scene in Quantum of Solace is my favourite Bond sequence that isn't a pre-title sequence.

    That was an awesome scene, classic!

    It seems to not be so controversial after all...

    but it is Qantum of Solace- the pimple on the ass of Bond Movies

    I'm not a big fan of Quantum but that's a little extreme.

    The movie is kinda sh&te, so at least he got the general area correct. :D

    And when you consider extreme read some threads on Brosnan or DAD, than this is rather friendly as opposed to extreme. IMHO

    Yes maybe not one of the Best Bond movie ever made but I can think of 7 Bond movies that are worst.

    That is were you and I disagree, QoS is a movie made upon an unfinished thought camouflaged with editing and arty farty. Yes it has it moments like the opera house but overall the movie should have been postponed and made decently. The last movie suffering from such an ordeal was actually LTK and there they did a better job even if the overall result was less exciting than an episode of Miami Vice. All IMHO of course.

    Yes, this is were you and I disagree but that's ok.
    Don't get me wrong I expected more of QOS, I wanted more traditional Bond! but like I said I can think of 7 Bond movies that's worst. For me just the opera house scene alone is better than the whole DAD movie. And for LTK I can think of 12 Bond movies that's worst and that includes QOS and to get DaltonCraig007 on all cylinders firing DAF and TMWTGG.
  • RossiRossi
    edited March 2012 Posts: 157
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    DAF has the best script in the franchise.

    Seems to be controversial at the moment........

    So it's a better script than FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, GE and CR??

    CR is at the bottom, so yes. As for the other 4 they are slightly behind.... and I'd add TMWTGG too.


    Casino Royale? The screenwriters took Ian Fleming's book and made a shit of it. It's a good film, for sure, but, c'mon, the book is a 100 times better. Could have been the best film in the franchise if Neal Purvis and that other fella did not get involved. The down of that house in venice, the airport sequence... It's too much action and the plot is put in second place. A good Casino Royale adaptation in my opinion would have been a Hitchcock one. Diamonds Are Forever, on the other hand, it's a great Guy Hamilton. They took a so-so book and turned it in a enjoyable adventure, with the best Blofeld. Could it have been better? Of course. But is still better - much better - Casino Royale. Guy Hamilton rules.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Rossi wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    DAF has the best script in the franchise.

    Seems to be controversial at the moment........

    So it's a better script than FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, GE and CR??

    CR is at the bottom, so yes. As for the other 4 they are slightly behind.... and I'd add TMWTGG too.


    Casino Royale? The screenwriters took Ian Fleming's book and made a shit of it. It's a good film, for sure, but, c'mon, the book is a 100 times better. Could have been the best film in the franchise if Neal Purvis and that other fella did not get involved. The down of that house in venice, the airport sequence... It's too much action and the plot is put in second place. A good Casino Royale adaptation in my opinion would have been a Hitchcock one. Diamonds Are Forever, on the other hand, it's a great Guy Hamilton. They took a so-so book and turned it in a enjoyable adventure, with the best Blofeld. Could it have been better? Of course. But is still better - much better - Casino Royale. Guy Hamilton rules.

    :-bd
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Rossi wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    DAF has the best script in the franchise.

    Seems to be controversial at the moment........

    So it's a better script than FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, GE and CR??

    CR is at the bottom, so yes. As for the other 4 they are slightly behind.... and I'd add TMWTGG too.


    Casino Royale? The screenwriters took Ian Fleming's book and made a shit of it. It's a good film, for sure, but, c'mon, the book is a 100 times better. Could have been the best film in the franchise if Neal Purvis and that other fella did not get involved. The down of that house in venice, the airport sequence... It's too much action and the plot is put in second place. A good Casino Royale adaptation in my opinion would have been a Hitchcock one. Diamonds Are Forever, on the other hand, it's a great Guy Hamilton. They took a so-so book and turned it in a enjoyable adventure, with the best Blofeld. Could it have been better? Of course. But is still better - much better - Casino Royale. Guy Hamilton rules.

    :-bd

    Dear oh dear. Who would have thought DaltonCraig would have kindred spirit in his blinkered DAF appreciation.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    Posts: 7,854
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Well, for one, she's supposed to look like somebody with a horrible past, hence the scars. She looked pretty damn good in that black dress halfway through the film, imo. She wasn't there to be just another love conquest for Bond, like Arterton was, she had her own agenda. Her look fit.

    So if a Bond girl was supposed to be bald, fat, one eye missing and a huge scar on her cheek, you'd accept that as well ??

    I'll take an eye missing, with a scar, but the bald and fat thing, no. Also I want to understand something. I may have said this:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    . I don't want 3-dimensional Bond girls, I just want glamour and sexy women !! preferably wearing almost nothing !!

    And I still stand by it. This is what I want with Bond girls. That does not contradict what I said about Camille. All I was trying to do was explain the intentions with Camille.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    Rocketgun 83

    I agree with you about the ski jump in TSWLM. Overrated. Overrated.OVER-THE EFFING-RATED. The PTS of MR is much more impressive.

    Agree with Jaws comments. he is scary when he kills Fekkish but many of his scenes are played for laughs in TSWLM and especially MR

    My more controvensial subjects:
    DR is explicitly racist
    GF is sexist and racist
    GE is Brosnan's best film, his movies progressively got worst after this one.
    LTK is underrated and deserves more accolades.
    Brosnan sucks at playing Bond.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    Posts: 2,782
    Germanlady wrote:
    echo wrote:
    Here's an controversial opinion: Dalton's acting is terrible, hammy, and over-the-top in LTK (although not TLD).

    Thank you...finally!

    oh no it wasn't.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I think Madona's DAD song and AWTD is nowhere near as bad as many Bond fans accuse them of being.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,715
    doubleoego wrote:
    AWTD is nowhere near as bad as many Bond fans accuse them of being.

    Now that is very controversial !!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    If that's their definition of good music, I'd hate to hear anything what they considered bad :-<

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    doubleoego wrote:
    I think Madona's DAD song and AWTD is nowhere near as bad as many Bond fans accuse them of being.

    Good god I think someone has just trumped DaltonCraigs script analysis of DAF!

    DAD is a poor Bond song but remarkably complements the main titles quite well.

    AWTD on the other hand is a catastrophe surpassed only by the Japanese tsunami.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I think Madona's DAD song and AWTD is nowhere near as bad as many Bond fans accuse them of being.

    Good god I think someone has just trumped DaltonCraigs script analysis of DAF!

    DAD is a poor Bond song but remarkably complements the main titles quite well.

    AWTD on the other hand is a catastrophe surpassed only by the Japanese tsunami.

    That's a rather ill advised comparison to make Sir if you don't mind me saying

  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I think Madona's DAD song and AWTD is nowhere near as bad as many Bond fans accuse them of being.

    AWTD on the other hand is a catastrophe surpassed only by the Japanese tsunami.

    agree...when i heard the song in cinemas i knew the movie was going to be FUBAR
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Somebody now will ask what FUBAR represents-

    Watch Tango and Cash for an explanation, I can't say it here
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Somebody now will ask what FUBAR represents-

    Watch Tango and Cash for an explanation, I can't say it here
    It means
    f***ed up beyond all recognition.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    That's a rather ill advised comparison to make Sir if you don't mind me saying

    I dont mind at all old chap. Although would you have been so quick to rebuke me if I had compared it to Pompeii, or the Irish or Ukrainian famines? Or how about the 1931 floods in China that killed over 2 million? The Tangshan earthquake of 1976 - 250,000 dead? Theres hundreds of these you can rattle through before you get to the 20,000 odd killed in Japan. But obviously they dont have endless Youtube footage.

    And in any case you should be thankful I didnt opt for the elephant in the room itself - The Holocaust!! Shock horror. I can hear the gasps now and no doubt I will be banned from the forum and summarily arrested in the morning. At the very least I'm sure a mod is going to slap me down within the hour.

    OK - lets not turn this into a free speech debate, I just get so tired of peoples forced outrage and taking of offence.

    I would be interested though if someone could provide me with a scale to show at what point has enough time passed for you to be able to make a joke about something. Maybe for Japan it hasnt yet I suppose. I reckon Princess Di is fair game by now though.

    How about Muamba? Seeing as the guy hasnt even died can we calm down a bit - listening to the likes of Match of the Day and Talksport this week you would think it was the greatest tragedy since...well.. AWTD. People actually die of heart attacks every minute of every day of every week. Any chance of the word perspective entering the popular vocabulary.

    Alright rant over. Back on topic. AWTD is fetid ovarian cyst of a song. Is that OK?
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    Tommorow Never Dies:
    Eliot Carver = Rupert Murdoch
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    If that's their definition of good music, I'd hate to hear anything what they considered bad :-<

    Shirley Bassey. I'll take DAD and AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,715
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Shirley Bassey. I'll take AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Ok this is too much for me !! :-/
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I didn't say I liked the music I mentioned. I simply said it's not as bad as you people make them out to be.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    If that's their definition of good music, I'd hate to hear anything what they considered bad :-<

    Shirley Bassey. I'll take DAD and AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    At what point is it not considered rude or okay to say that somebody really doesn't have any taste whatsoever????

    O:-)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Shirley Bassey. I'll take AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Ok this is too much for me !! :-/

    For once DaltonCraig007 we are in total accord.
    SaintMark wrote:

    At what point is it not considered rude or okay to say that somebody really doesn't have any taste whatsoever????

    O:-)

    Couldnt care less if its rude or not SainMark - Agent007391 are you writing this from Broadmoor? I thought DaltonCraig007 took the cake with his DAF script defence but this is an opinion of such insanity it may well never be topped. Is this entire forum some sort of Beadles About set up just to wind me up to the point until I go postal or something?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Shirley Bassey. I'll take AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Ok this is too much for me !! :-/
    What about those opinion thingies that we're all entitled to hmmm??
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    echo wrote:
    Here's an controversial opinion: Dalton's acting is terrible, hammy, and over-the-top in LTK (although not TLD).

    Thank you...finally!

    Dalton is the best actor in the franchise, and plays the part brilliantly, ESPECIALLY in LTK. Which is imo the best bond film. Dalton is better than craig.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,715
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Shirley Bassey. I'll take AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Ok this is too much for me !! :-/
    What about those opinion thingies that we're all entitled to hmmm??

    Of course he's entitled to that opinion, but IMO it's a very extreme opinion !!
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    echo wrote:
    Here's an controversial opinion: Dalton's acting is terrible, hammy, and over-the-top in LTK (although not TLD).

    Thank you...finally!

    Dalton is the best actor in the franchise, and plays the part brilliantly, ESPECIALLY in LTK. Which is imo the best bond film. Dalton is better than craig.

    YOU say..

    And thats quite the controversial opinion yourself, there! ^^
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,288
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    If that's their definition of good music, I'd hate to hear anything what they considered bad :-<

    Shirley Bassey. I'll take DAD and AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Now I've heard everything! :)
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Shirley Bassey. I'll take AWTD over Shirley Bassey any day. Any week. Any month. Any year.

    Ok this is too much for me !! :-/
    What about those opinion thingies that we're all entitled to hmmm??

    Of course he's entitled to that opinion, but IMO it's a very extreme opinion !!

    And if @DaltonCraig007 calls it a extreme opinion. It's an extremely controversial opinion
  • jolearonjolearon
    Posts: 645
    I fell asleep during NSNA... I still havent watched it all the way though....
    That annoying music... ♫ Never, Never Say Never Ah-Again...♫ ugh...
    Oh and having Rowan Atkinsons, did help.

    And what is this about Not liking TMWTGG?? Or did I read that wrong..,
    I mean I hope I read it wrong... Thats just not possible.

    IF IT WASNT A HUUUUGE SUCCESS THEN THERE MOST LIKELY WOULDNT BE ANYMORE JAMES BOND FILMS. ITS A VERY BIG POSSIBILITY.

    I mean think about it.... it was a NEW action franchise, nothing to fall back on, (unlike if you make a crappy Bond film today, you just regroup and start again) it was all new, so if it didn't so so well, then it probably wouldnt have advanced into what it is today.

    So the way I see it, even if you don't like it, you should respect the film for what it was. [END OF RANT]
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