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  • jolearonjolearon
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    oh and about the music tastes... Honestly its all on opinion anyways.

    Sure everyone likes the stay true to the original Bond Themes & Scores for the Bond Fan in them... BUT you have to realize if someone is a fan of another style of music, it may influence their Bond Music Opinions as well... (WHICH ISNT A BAD THING PEOPLE)

    There is no MAJORITY RULES in MUSIC, ART or FILM... it's all OPINION BASED.
    No right or Wrong answers!

    You have the the stubborn, (Thats how it was when I was younger and I hate change) attitude. Then you have the next generation whos influences were in the 90s as a kid....(i don't like "old stuff" mentality) so god knows what they could come up with. And lastly, you have the obscurity minded people which are more open-mined to change, even if they dont like it.

    Tired. It's 3AM here, so I should stop ranting. Theres my input if it was legible, haha.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:

    At what point is it not considered rude or okay to say that somebody really doesn't have any taste whatsoever????

    O:-)

    Couldnt care less if its rude or not SainMark - Agent007391 are you writing this from Broadmoor? I thought DaltonCraig007 took the cake with his DAF script defence but this is an opinion of such insanity it may well never be topped. Is this entire forum some sort of Beadles About set up just to wind me up to the point until I go postal or something?

    I happen to live in Indiana, USA, and don't know where Broadmoor is (I can only assume somewhere on the edge of the UK). And, be rude all you want, you'll never change my opinion just as I won't change yours (nor will I try, and I hope you don't either).
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    It does have one of the weirdest line readings in a film featuring Bond:

    "Sweet! Like money!"
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Murdock wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Yes, I watched the first half of QoS last night, and the opera house scene is really classy! Bond just shows up, steals a Quantum earpiece from a unsuspecting member, spoils their planning conversation, takes out his pursuers, and leaves. Pure 007!

    I love when John McClane does that in the Die Hard movies too! :D

    It's also my favorite part of Quantum of Solace.
    :)>-

    Hahaha, John McClane! Yes indeed!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    jolearon wrote:
    oh and about the music tastes... Honestly its all on opinion anyways.

    Sure everyone likes the stay true to the original Bond Themes & Scores for the Bond Fan in them... BUT you have to realize if someone is a fan of another style of music, it may influence their Bond Music Opinions as well... (WHICH ISNT A BAD THING PEOPLE)

    There is no MAJORITY RULES in MUSIC, ART or FILM... it's all OPINION BASED.
    No right or Wrong answers!

    You have the the stubborn, (Thats how it was when I was younger and I hate change) attitude. Then you have the next generation whos influences were in the 90s as a kid....(i don't like "old stuff" mentality) so god knows what they could come up with. And lastly, you have the obscurity minded people which are more open-mined to change, even if they dont like it.

    Tired. It's 3AM here, so I should stop ranting. Theres my input if it was legible, haha.

    Just because you use capital letters doesn't mean it is a rant. The simple fact is that everyone here knows that opinions will differ and most let other members become entitled to them. And while I appreciate a lot of Bond films for what they are, I will never show that to any of the campy films that trash the character's cold hearted mentality, and DAD only serves as a lesson when a Bond film goes too far and is helmed by an unworthy crackpot director. Thanks but no thanks, but I'll show my appreciation for Bond when the character is done right. I grade the films on story and the characterization of Bond and how closely Fleming's Bond influenced the films, and a film will not get a pass for simply being entertaining. That isn't enough anymore, and has never been enough for me. It's just like a Michael Bay Transformers film, where it is action and explosions over story and characterization. He has pulled this time and time again, but since moviegoers care less and less about truly brilliant films, Bay's films get cash out the rear only because of their entertaining appeal to people. So because common moviegoers today care less and less about the brilliant storytelling and depth in characters that made the very movie magic cinema is built upon. And because of this Bay gets to call himself a 'director' and sit on the same bench as Scorsese, Coppola, Hitchcock, Nolan, Eastwood, and so many brilliant others. It sickens me to the bone.
  • jolearonjolearon
    edited March 2012 Posts: 645
    funny-haha-message-music-smelly-Favim.com-281683_large.jpg

    you just made me think of something, if you haven't heard of Michael Bay's new version of TMNT look it up, but wonder what his version of a Bond movie would be... haha
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    It would probably feature the codename theory. ;)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    The day Michael Bay directs a Bond film is the day I go down to my garage with a length of hosepipe.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    The day Michael Bay directs a Bond film is the day I go down to my garage with a length of hosepipe.

    I'd sign Lee Tamahori on for an indefinate number of films before I'd watch a Michael Bay Bond film ;)

    Although in fairness Bay did direct The Rock - a cracking thriller with Sir Sean. That was back when he was relitively decent.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Yeah I'll give you the Rock. Cracking fun although largely down to Seans presence. The exception that proves the rule that Michael Bay is a shite director. Actually I didnt mind the Island as well - interesting concept but would have been better with someone who wasnt Bay.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I enjoyed The Island too - although that was a rip off of Logans Run. Incidentally that had another Bond vet co starring in it - Sean Bean.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Despite all the negative reviews, I enjoyed all 3 Transformers movies, though I'm angered that a fourth is under consideration.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited March 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Despite all the negative reviews, I enjoyed all 3 Transformers movies, though I'm angered that a fourth is under consideration.

    It's more than that. It's out on 27th June 2014!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Despite all the negative reviews, I enjoyed all 3 Transformers movies, though I'm angered that a fourth is under consideration.

    It's more than that. It's out on 27th June 2014!
    Bay will finish it quick. He's a misogynistic pig, so there will be a lot of scantly clad moments with the female lead, some cleavage for sure, a few nice shots of her backside flopping about, then toss in some gunfire and explosions on the average of every 2 seconds and call it a wrap. Oh, but don't forget to leave out characterization, story, tension, thrills, and acting talent. Well Mike, you've done that so far, so why stop now??
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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I've not seen the NOES remake, but I have seen the F13 reboot, of which I believe is one of the best F13 flms. Not that i'm defending Bay, just an opinion I thought i'd sound out. Otherwise, Bay = evil.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I'd like to see Bay's "re-imagining" of Honey Rider's entrance

    We'd be on the verge of soft core porn :))
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'd like to see Bay's "re-imagining" of Honey Rider's entrance

    We'd be on the verge of soft core porn :))

    Hopefully starring Megan Fox (they can overdub the voice).
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Agent007391 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'd like to see Bay's "re-imagining" of Honey Rider's entrance

    We'd be on the verge of soft core porn :))

    Hopefully starring Megan Fox (they can overdub the voice).

    I doubt it. Apparently she can't stand MB.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'd like to see Bay's "re-imagining" of Honey Rider's entrance

    We'd be on the verge of soft core porn :))

    Hopefully starring Megan Fox (they can overdub the voice).

    I doubt it. Apparently she can't stand MB.

    Well she stood up to him and didn't take his misogynist (I'm using that word a lot lately) fueled BS because she let it be known he rules like a tyrant on set and that he made her try on the movie's outfits all in front of him and the cast. If I saw the pig in public I'd be paying some hospital bills that coming week, I guarantee you that.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'd like to see Bay's "re-imagining" of Honey Rider's entrance

    We'd be on the verge of soft core porn :))

    Hopefully starring Megan Fox (they can overdub the voice).

    I doubt it. Apparently she can't stand MB.

    I did say "hopefully". Besides, I bet she'd do it for money.
  • jolearonjolearon
    Posts: 645
    Heres a nice visual for the subject. hahahahaha, NO TO MICHAEL BAY.
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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189


    =)) =)) :-))

    Hmm...motorcycles jumping over helicopters. Where have I seen that before?

  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Bond is not supposed to be a real agent or human, who bleeds and cries. He is supposed to go around cracking jokes, using gadgets and stopping crazy villians with strong henchmen and a lair with guards in uniform.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Y'know, you Moore Whoores keep spouting out what Bond "should be". Here's the reality of it: Bond is what he is according to the times, and everything changes with the times. In the 60s, we just wanted the dawn of the spy genre. In the 70s, we wanted the over-the-topness of those kinds of antics. In the 80s, we wanted somewhere in between the antics and reality. In the 90s, we wanted it to be closer to reality but still with the antics. At first, in the 2000s, we wanted CG and "epic", and now we want realism again. Since we've seen Bond go all across the spectrum, just go back to what your favorite type of Bond, watch the DVD, and then wait for that era to return. Life is a cycle, it will come back.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    I understand what you mean, but I just gave a controversial opinion, since that´s what this thread is about. I´ll happily watch the old movies on DVD, but I´m excited about SF and will watch at first chance possible.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2012 Posts: 12,837
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Bond is not supposed to be a real agent or human, who bleeds and cries. He is supposed to go around cracking jokes, using gadgets and stopping crazy villians with strong henchmen and a lair with guards in uniform.

    Why can't Bond be both??? Why can't he bleed, and get bruised and make mistakes, but also crack the odd one liner and use a gadget or two??? That's my dream bond. The closest I got was LTK.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Bond is not supposed to be a real agent or human, who bleeds and cries. He is supposed to go around cracking jokes, using gadgets and stopping crazy villians with strong henchmen and a lair with guards in uniform.

    Have you read the books? LOL
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    007RogerMoore wrote:
    I understand what you mean, but I just gave a controversial opinion, since that´s what this thread is about. I´ll happily watch the old movies on DVD, but I´m excited about SF and will watch at first chance possible.

    My opinion was also controversial, and I've been awake for over 36 hours, it was all probably just a coffee-induced rant, as I've been rattling them off to my family for awhile now.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Why can't Bond be both??? Why can't he bleed, and get bruised and make mistakes, but also crack the odd one liner and use a gadget or two??? That's my dream bond. The closest I got was LTK.

    That's my ideal Bond as well @thelivingroyale

    OHMSS, FYEO, & LTK are best for that sort of thing!
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Bond is not supposed to be a real agent or human, who bleeds and cries. He is supposed to go around cracking jokes, using gadgets and stopping crazy villians with strong henchmen and a lair with guards in uniform.

    Have you read the books? LOL

    In a word: no.

    I´m just a movie Bond fan. And no offense to Fleming fans, but my honest opinion is that Bond is supposed to be like Moore (and Brosnan & Connery to a certain degree). I enjoy films like LTK also, especially the gadgets and Q. Dalton gives a fine performance, but I prefer films like MR. I still watch the more serious movies quite often and enjoy them, but not as much as the lighter ones.

    About the bleeding thing, I don´t despise the slightest but I prefer the more impeccable Bond that Roger often portrayed.
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