Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Posts: 1,713
    I think Drax was gay , it just wasn't as obvious as Wint & Kidd......I think if he was gay he'd hate himself as that would mean he'd not live up to his own perfect image.
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    SaintMark wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is a very underrated Bond film. Enjoy its tone and would rather watch this than the majority of the 70's and 80's bonds.

    Too overrated by the younger fans.

    I'm fifty.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 9,853
    Denise Richards is not that bad and really not the worst part of the World is not enough that would be Cleese...

    Cleese was good in Die another day

    Casino Royale is still my favorite bond film

    Quantum of Solace is underrated

    Goldfinger is Overrated

    and Never Say Never again is horrible cool title thought
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2014 Posts: 14,662
    I love NSNA, especially the whole 'older Bond, but still in good shape' angle. The femme fatale is gorgeous and memorable, and it's the first time Bond gets his Q endorsed bike. Klaus is an interesting villain, and I like the Palmyra fort/Tears of Allah locales. This incarnation of M is a bit annoying though.

    I never had a problem with Richards- she looks great, her acting isn't wooden, and plausible as a nuclear scientist. What her character needed was to be fleshed out a bit more.

    About Cleese- I like him as an actor, I like R/Q, and his casting was a no-brainer, but I really dislike the interaction between him and Q in TWINE. The whole "I think-/You're not here to think" moment is awkward and feels out of place in the film, as it absolutely humiliates the R character. I mean, have R catch his coat in the door and roll around in the sphere like a klutz while Q responds like he's talking to Bond- but don't have Q hand his balls to him. He's a grown man ffs.
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    Quantum of Solace is not only the worst Bond film, it is worse than Casino Royale '67.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Sammm04 wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is not only the worst Bond film, it is worse than Casino Royale '67.

    That's controversial for sure in my eyes, as I'm sure it is for a few others. Worse than other typically-hated Bond films, like DAD, MR, and AVTAK?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited July 2014 Posts: 3,157
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is not only the worst Bond film, it is worse than Casino Royale '67.

    That's controversial for sure in my eyes, as I'm sure it is for a few others. Worse than other typically-hated Bond films, like DAD, MR, and AVTAK?


    At least DAD is an enjoyable and funny popcorn movie (as long as you convince yourself you're not watching a Fleming's Bond movie but a parody of Bond movies). QoS has too many plot holes which make it difficult to understand.
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    Count me in as a NSNA fan.
    Way better than the 80's Moores.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2014 Posts: 14,662
    Count me in as a NSNA fan. Way better than the 80's Moores.
    I think all of 80s Moore was better quality than NSNA, but I enjoy to watch it more than AVTAK, and perhaps OP. I do however, think the dialogue in NSNA is some of the best we've heard in any Bond film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Walecs, those are typically the most hated (along with QoS, sadly), but I don't hate any of those three. I don't hate any Bond films. But, what major plot holes make QoS tough to understand, exactly? You can most certainly say SF has tons of plot holes that ruin the plot at times, yet that film gets tons of constant praise. Perhaps the QoS plot is too difficult for some to understand or it seems too pointless, foolish, or doesn't involve the end of the world like some fans prefer? Plot holes =/= hard to understand plot.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is not only the worst Bond film, it is worse than Casino Royale '67.

    That's controversial for sure in my eyes, as I'm sure it is for a few others. Worse than other typically-hated Bond films, like DAD, MR, and AVTAK?

    Ten Gazillion Miles worse than those 3 films (2 of which, MR and AVTAK, I actually rate quite well). I gave it a re-watch last night, as it was on TV. I have to say it is worse than I remember. Mathieu Amalric is absolutely crap as a Bond villain. That stare he gives Bond in the opera scene when he sees him in the staircase is such bad acting, it summed up the performance of the whole cast in my eyes, including Saint Daniel. Cringe worthy. A failed attempt at making a grounded action flick, with the drabbest setting ever in a Bond film, a boring plot with few twists and little invention. Bond himself barely speaks in this film. The editing is awful, the action is un-original and flat. The theme song is vomit-inducing. Unimaginative dialogue, and very little humour, dry or obvious. Olga Kurylenko is wooden and dull. Craig himself does not portray any emotions at all and his character is so un-Bond like it may as well not be a Bond film.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    So..... you don't like it-?
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    chrisisall wrote:
    So..... you don't like it-?

    Whatever gave you that impression my friend?
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    Walecs wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is not only the worst Bond film, it is worse than Casino Royale '67.

    That's controversial for sure in my eyes, as I'm sure it is for a few others. Worse than other typically-hated Bond films, like DAD, MR, and AVTAK?


    At least DAD is an enjoyable and funny popcorn movie (as long as you convince yourself you're not watching a Fleming's Bond movie but a parody of Bond movies). QoS has too many plot holes which make it difficult to understand.

    Let me assure you,that whatever problems you have in understanding QoS have nothing to do with alleged plot holes, since it really hasn't got them ( in stark contrast to CR and especially SF). What it has are crudities (admittedly in abundance).
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    QoS is one giant plot hole.
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    QoS is one giant plot hole.

    No wonder you are a fan of SF!
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    QoS is one giant plot hole.

    QOS is one giant A-Hole

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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    QoS is one giant plot hole.

    No wonder you are a fan of SF!

    And no wonder you're a fan of QoS!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    But, what major plot holes make QoS tough to understand, exactly? You can most certainly say SF has tons of plot holes that ruin the plot at times, yet that film gets tons of constant praise. Perhaps the QoS plot is too difficult for some to understand or it seems too pointless, foolish, or doesn't involve the end of the world like some fans prefer? Plot holes =/= hard to understand plot.
    I appreciate the realism of the villain's plot in QOS- it's a nice change from the more fantastic plots. And the story shouldn't be hard to follow, it's just Bond finding peace of mind while Greene tries to control the Bolivian water supply. Simple as that. I'm not sure it has any plot holes at all.
    QoS is one giant plot hole.
    You're a plot hole. :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    QBranch wrote:
    I'm not sure it has any plot holes at all.
    It must have some (they all do) but I can't see any myself. Maybe I need to watch it with my glasses on...
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 6,396
    QBranch wrote:
    QoS is one giant plot hole.
    You're a plot hole. :))

    Not my fault. There was a writer's strike in 1976. ;-)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2014 Posts: 14,662
    :D Lost the plot altogether is more like it. ;)
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    QBranch wrote:
    :D Lost the plot altogether is more like it. ;)

    Just like QoS. :-bd
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QoS has the drabbest setting...in a Bond film...ever? The beautiful Bregenz, lots of Italian locations, how is that drab, let alone the "drabbest?"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    QoS has the drabbest setting...in a Bond film...ever? The beautiful Bregenz, lots of Italian locations, how is that drab, let alone the "drabbest?"

    Bolivia, enough said. And you barely see any part of Bregenz.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    So it contains a locale that is drab, that's fine, but I hope you aren't saying it's the most drab of all Bond films because of Bolivia. Just about any Bond film contains some location that isn't terribly exotic. You see Bond drive through the streets of Bregenz, the airport, the entire Tosca scene, etc.
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    I think the drabbest looking Bond film is probably (as much as I hate to admit it, because I do love the film) TWINE. The cinematography makes all the settings look drab. They managed to make Istanbul and Spain look dull and grey.

    Drabbest setting is probably North Korea in DAD, but I think that was the point. It's hardly an exotic place. It was meant to look bleak.

    Oh, and add me to the list of people that don't really like QOS. I can enjoy it, it's good looking, stylish and it has some great moments. But it has a lot of problems and all the good bits are lost in a sea of badly edited action scenes. I think it's also very pretentious, it's a film that thinks it's much more clever than it actually is imo, which annoys me. It also tries to cram way too much into it's run time and as a result none of the different story strands (Bond getting over Vesper, Quantums water plot, Camille's revenge, etc) feel really well done. And then you have stuff like the theme song, Mathis being a code name, etc. I don't want to rant about it now so I'll just say this: I like QOS more than I used to (used to think it was the worst one), but I don't think it's quite as good as it's biggest fans think it is.

    Imo, it's not the worst Bond film, but (while I can enjoy it) it is one of the worst, and it's the most pretentious and probably, for me (since I wasn't around when DAF came out) the most disappointing (I was expecting much better after CR.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 7,507
    The worst thing about the Bolivia scenes are that most of them are not shot in Bolivia. Had they done that, it would have been epic. I've been there myself, and it's an absolute beautiful country with incredible scenery and interesting culture. Especially the capital La Paz is exotic, surrounded by mountains and flavoured with it's native indian population. But the filmmakers chose to film it in Haiti somewhere. A crying shame...
    chrisisall wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    I'm not sure it has any plot holes at all.
    It must have some (they all do) but I can't see any myself. Maybe I need to watch it with my glasses on...

    Exactly. I have watched the film many times looking for all the plot holes that supposedly are there. When I don't find that many I almost feel dissapointed... ;)
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    WillyGalore said:
    QoS is one giant plot hole.
    Not so much a giant plot hole more of a giant cgi sink hole !.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Mrcoggins wrote:
    WillyGalore said:
    QoS is one giant plot hole.
    Not so much a giant plot hole more of a giant cgi sink hole !.

    The skydiving sequence and the part where Bond and Mitchell fall. That's about it.
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