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While exiting the theatre after seeing Spectre the first time, I overheard one woman saying something along the lines of, "It was OK, the Bond movies never really have good stories." Following a casual eye roll I found myself debating on whether or not this is the general public opinion.
She was likely expressing it because of SP itself not hitting the mark for her (controversial on this forum no doubt as well).
I would say this is fairly representative. The general public don't really go to see Bond for the story.
1. the following actors could/would make great 007's
Sam Neill (in fact Mcllory should of gotten him to do never say never again)
Adrian Paul
James Brolin (American so what if he could do the accent he would of been fine)
Peter Wingfield (yes I know grabbing two from highlander)
Liam Neeson
2. I prefer Craig in Goldeneye over Brosnan. sorry the ruthlessness of the film just doesn't work for me with Brosnan.
3. Moore was able to be more believable a brutal and Dark then Brosnan
4. If Craig for whatever reason doesn't come back Honestly I would want Liam Neeson as bond for 1 brutal revenge bond film taking place at the end of bond's career one final bond versus Blofeld match up and then discuss what happened between Spectre and Blofeld (bond 25) In the next few actor's tenures (doesn't get more controversial then that)
5. as it stands now there is still plenty of Fleming to adapt
6. From Russia with Love On Her majesties Secret Service For your eyes only Octopussy The living Daylights Licence to Kill Goldeneye The World is not Enough Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace are the bext spy thrillers in the bond cannon and are also my top 10 bond films
7. Purivs and Wade do not get enough Credit
8. Paul Haggis and Sam Mendes get too much credit
9. Lazenby was ok in OHMSS.
It's neither bad nor very good.
That's almost too controversial for me.
I agree with this.
3. Don't know why Brosnan should not be believable in that role. I only thought that the killing of some random goons (especially the maschine-gunning) was a little overused in his films. But both, Brosnan and Moore had some great coldblooded moments.
9. Well, it depends on what "ok" means.
Regarding Lazenby and 'ok', he is somewhat idolized here, and I personally think it's unwarranted. He was serviceable in a well above average film. Nothing more, nothing less.
So both opinions are indeed controversial, and I happen to agree with them.
But what about the killings of Ourumov, Dr. Kaufmann and Elektra? I have always thought that had been great sequences.
Point taken.
Re: Kaufmann - agreed. That was good as was the buildup.
Re: Elektra - controversial opinion here - I think that one is terribly overrated and overacted. Including typical necrophaliac kiss.
The sense of uncomfortableness is in line with the books. Fleming's Bond wasn't cold blooded. He hated killing and did it only when he was forced to. The only Bond actors I think that truly embody this are Dalton (my favourite Bond and the only one who really seemed to have a conscience, you got the sense that every kill weighed heavily on his mind), Craig in Casino Royale (the scene after the stairwell fight where he cleans the blood of himself and pauses to look at the mirror is so good, very reminiscent of the airport scene in Fleming's GF where Bond stares at his hands and comes to terms with how he killed a man with them the day before, which makes the shift towards the Bourne/Terminator archetype in QoS all the more disappointing) and Roger Moore.
And as it for it being out of character, I still think that's true but I think that actually is what makes them so good. I realized that I didn't like seeing Moore's Bond in the darker moments (executing villains when he'd got all the info he needed, etc), because that's not who I thought he was. But that's exactly the point. That's why they work. The audience is enjoying Roger suavely quipping his way around the world, drinking, pulling, beating up henchmen then nonchalantly dusting himself off afterwards, just generally having a nice breezy adventure. But then the darker moments shock us because they remind us that this is still James Bond and James Bond is still an assassin, just a government sponsored one. His job is to kill people without a second thought. It's not all fun and games. The juxtaposition reminds us that Bond is far from a morally perfect character, he's an anti hero at best. Moore's darker moments are that much more effective because of how sophisticated, light hearted and gentlemanly he is normally. It makes them more shocking and perfectly demonstrates how cold Bond can be. It's actually more effective than if he's like that all the time.
I agree with everything you've said.
This is why I think Moore is a vastly underrated Bond around these parts.
You missed Mr. Bond.
Did I really?
And Drax knew that 007 was to be eliminated as soon as possible. Bond was more dangerous than he looked.
It won an Oscar, so I don't think saying it is a good song is controversial.
On these forums maybe, but even here is it disliked overall? In any case, the Oscar shows some recognition that I think prevent positive opinion for truly being controversial.
For the record, I think it's a great song, but Sam Smith should have let someone else sing it.
In the social media the song got ripped apart. For whatever reasons, I won't comment again on that.
But in the "real" world the song was and still is a huge success in the charts. If it has sold that many units (and streamed) it is generally liked.
Great might be too generous, but I found them beautifully ominous. And the lyrics of a song does not have to fit 100% a story.
Yes exactly, someone tell me how the lyrics of AVTAK or TLD or TB or YOLT or DAD or AWTD have anything to do with those films...
This comment here was ignored. And it is very controversial, though I would agree that the song is good and the score is good to listen to but not fitting for the film.