Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • GoldenGun wrote: »
    While watching CR lately, I have a confession to make:

    I don't like the parkour scene very much.

    There you go.

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooh this grinds my gears.
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I sort of don't rate Christopher Lee that highly as Scaramnga. He seems to be accepted as a great Bond villain, despite the film itself, yet I feel more intrigued by the idea of Jack Palance in the role.

    He seems to play the part in a slightly theatrical way...as if he was in a hammer horror film.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I like the PTS of DAF...if that isn't controversial I don't know what is....

    I love it.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I like the PTS of DAF...if that isn't controversial I don't know what is....

    I love it.

    Top chap ,TF !

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    The only problem with Scaramanga is what they do with him. The solex agitator was a stupid idea and simply a maguffin crutch for the writers who were too lazy to follow through on the interesting concept of 007 being targeted. And then the best use they had for him was to walk Bond around his facility so Bond could give him a science lesson! The sort of banter they had at lunch was excellent and they shouldn't have cut that scene.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    I sort of don't rate Christopher Lee that highly as Scaramnga. He seems to be accepted as a great Bond villain, despite the film itself, yet I feel more intrigued by the idea of Jack Palance in the role.

    He seems to play the part in a slightly theatrical way...as if he was in a hammer horror film.

    I agree and find that to be a plus. This is a Bond film. For the most part I want my Bond villains theatrical and over the top. It's nice to have your occasional Kristatos or Sanchez; more in the "real world" vein. But give my the Blofelds, Dr. Nos, Scaramangas and SIlvas as my usual diet in terms of Bond.

    Yes I think I agree too thinking about it some more. They were nearly always rather over-the-top in the Fleming books both physically and emotionally. Made them more distinctive and memorable.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What we're saying then, is that the Solex agitator is indeed agitating? Well, it's doing its job then, I'd say.
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    The MUFFY moment is amazing
    I have heard it all, it's so amazing to be able to find light and wonderin every moment. :)

    I don't like Scaramanga that much in MWGG movie either also, I don't get it I prefer Zorin.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Watching him and Bond gradually insult each other is also a treat. The Connery and Moore eras are full of great moments where Bond and his enemies have a gentlemanly respect for one another while still at odds, with some elegant trash-talking thrown in for good measure.

    Moore's delivery of that "four letter word" line is classic.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Watching him and Bond gradually insult each other is also a treat. The Connery and Moore eras are full of great moments where Bond and his enemies have a gentlemanly respect for one another while still at odds, with some elegant trash-talking thrown in for good measure.

    Moore's delivery of that "four letter word" line is classic.

    And repeated in The Living Daylights really! I always loved that line in TLD and last time I watched MWTGG and thought 'wow, that's a pretty similar line!'
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    We really haven't had that since the seventies, have we? There have been some great villainous speeches (Alec and Silva), but they've been basically one-sided, with Bond just throwing in an odd remark here and there.

    @Birdleson, I think it's always been there, but maybe not as iconically as in Sean's films or some of Roger's.

    Brosnan's Bond delivering the "No, for me" line as he drops Alec is brilliant, as is how he deals with Carver, with an almost smarmy air that screamed, "Paris knows I'm the better man, Carver. All you go was my sloppy seconds." And of course his "I never miss" in TWINE is just plain hard and cold.

    My favorite return of this back and forth with Bond and his baddies, however, has been in the Craig era. I think largely because Dan's Bond is so straight forward with his retorts and dry that it's instantly amusing to me when he holds nothing back and goes for the throat. Favorites of mine are the entire card game in CR where he constantly berates and psyches out Le Chiffre. I love that Bond knows Le Chiffre is aware of his presence in Montenegro and who he really is, so he drops pretense and just gets to business while facing Le Chiffre, letting him know he came to win. This berating only continues when, even while being tortured and whacked about, Bond isn't having any of Le Chiffre's provocations, laughing in his face as he takes his beating. That scene exudes such audacity and strength from Bond that I have only felt from Dan and no other Bond to such a degree. Such balls on him there (pun intended).

    Bond's got some fantastic moments with Greene in QoS too, where he sizes him up while he tries to act like a big dog. I crack up every time Greene says to Bond, "My friends call me Dominic," at the eco party, to which Bond retorts, "I'm sure they do." Dan's Bond doesn't give a damn at all, and won't play Greene's game. Another moment that always sticks with me is the aftermath at Tosca of Bond exposing Greene and the rest of Quantum at the event, after which Bond and Greene (along with his men) enter two separate stairways from across a corridor and just stare with tension at each other before they give chase in Bond's direction. It's an unspoken "F@#k you," from Bond to them. And of course there's the moment where Bond ignores Greene's words after he drives him out in the desert and throws him the motor oil and drives away.

    I don't think there's any deliveries between Bond and Silva that hold the same weight or amusement to me in SF as in the others, but the radio line on the island is all right, as is the "last rat standing" comment Bond throws Silva's way as he lies limp on the church floor. Overall, though, I think Dan's finest moment is when he looks at Severine's body guards in the casino and raises a glass to toast them with a very cocky air to his demeanor.

    And SP has some amusing lines Bond shoots Blofeld's way, as well. As with Le Chiffre and Greene, Bond berates Blofeld and his plans, mockingly calling C a "disciple," and later once Blofeld's helicopter crashes Bond runs his ego into the ground further as he lays there in defeat with nowhere to go. My favorite line, however, is when Bond remarks with the line, "I think we're meant to be impressed" as Blofeld shows them his meteorite at the HQ. It felt like something Sean's Bond would do, and I love how condescendingly Dan delivers it.

    So for me, Bond is at his best facing a villain when he looks them in the eye and openly berates and belittles them to no end, with the audacity most men couldn't hope to possess. Some of my favorite moments come from Sean and Dan's Bonds in particular where you can see the boredom in their performances coming to the surface as Bond listens to the villain drone on about their vast resources and great plan, after which they reply with a variation of "Get on with it already, will you?" to end the insufferable speeches.

    One of the things I love most about Bond is that while many protagonists in movies hear the plans of the villain and react with shocked faces and are at a loss for how they're going to overcome the challenge ahead, Bond on the other hand looks ready to yawn as the baddies drone on and on, displaying overtly the same irreverence expressed by a teenager in response to an adult trying to command authority over them in futility.

    How cheeky.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I like the PTS of DAF...if that isn't controversial I don't know what is....

    I like it too but more because of how hilariously naff it is. I remember @thelivingroyale wrote a good summary of it.

    -Bad dubbing
    -Connery body double
    -"hit me"
    -"One chansh"
    -unconvincing henchmen
    -overacting henchman (when he's hit with the scalpels)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Not to mention the flushing of "mud" on the Blofeld to be. =))
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    The solex was added as a topical theme,as the energy crisis was an actual problem in 1974...
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    The flushing of mud! i hope that stuntman got well paid for sinknig back into the mud, must have been unpleasant to say the least!
    Afraid I'm on the side of those who dont like that pts! Coming after the sublime pts for OHMSS, it just comes across as cheap and nasty!
  • I personally think PTSs were in a real slump between YOLT and TMWTGG. They just have no idea what they are doing. OHMSS is alright.
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    With the exception of OHMSS, I agree. Definitely the lowest period of the series for the PTS.

    (YOLT's is kind of okay...just not great. The space capsule swallowing is a pretty epic way to kick things off and I've always liked that little assassination fake-out, but it's no Goldfinger or Thunderball, that's for sure.)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The flushing of mud! i hope that stuntman got well paid for sinknig back into the mud, must have been unpleasant to say the least!
    Afraid I'm on the side of those who dont like that pts! Coming after the sublime pts for OHMSS, it just comes across as cheap and nasty!
    Oh it's even worse. That "Mud" was actually Mashed potatoes colored brown according to Ken Adam and they stunk badly after a day. Why they didn't just use real mud I don't know. =))
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Maybe didn't have the desire texture and viscosity
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well it sure didn't look like mud. I wonder if that guy was SPECTRE's new #2. ;)
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    I don't think it's supposed to be mud literally. Not very good plastic surgery if it just washes out in the rain :))
  • w2bond wrote: »
    @Whitaker1987

    That certainly is an unconventional opinion! Better than Grant? Oddjob? Jaws?? Blofeld (FRWL)???

    Would like to hear your opinion why.

    TLD is my favourite film and even I think the villains are the weak point

    I really like all the films and each individual villain. TLD was the first 80's 007 film I watched and I felt the little mentions of Whitaker here and there were enough to suggest he was far more known as a threat to MI6 than what we saw of him.

    It was very mutch a cat & mouse game similar to FRWL kept you guessing who was good or bad.

    Yes I agree he isn't a tough act to follow like Grant or Blofeld but I liked the actor and character that we saw. A wealthy spoilt brat who sadly has an unfortunate craze for war & playing with toys.

    Whitaker & Necros made a good villain/henchman team just a few scenes extra would have been ace. Notice Necros little accent changes though the film? that was kinda neat.



  • BAIN123 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I like the PTS of DAF...if that isn't controversial I don't know what is....

    I like it too but more because of how hilariously naff it is. I remember @thelivingroyale wrote a good summary of it.

    -Bad dubbing
    -Connery body double
    -"hit me"
    -"One chansh"
    -unconvincing henchmen
    -overacting henchman (when he's hit with the scalpels)

    Yeah I think it's a strong contender for the worst PTS of the series. It's just so cheap and naff and badly done for all the reasons you mentioned, plus the set, the mousetrap, poor coreography, etc. It just looks, and is, terrible imo. Bond hitting Blofeld over the head with the scanner thingy is also laughable, it looks like a tap and suddenly there's blood streaming down his face.

    I do enjoy "there's something I'd like you to get off your chest" though.
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    @thelivingroyale. It's certainly one of the poorer ones in my view.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The mousetrap is idiotic.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    The mousetrap is idiotic.

    The mousetrap is the only moment of creativity in an otherwise dismal sequence.



  • I like the mousetrap and the pts is pretty good. Making mud pies 007?

    LTK has to be one of the worst pts, especially for one of the better films:

    'My partners at the DEA' ugh bad line, worse delivery. Hedison is almost as bad as Terry. And the whole setup is stupid. Surely Leiter at that age is not a field agent, certainly not one that's required to capture Sanchez. I like the intro of Sanchez but that's it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The one bad thing in the LTK pts is the stupid slo.mo.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    The one bad thing in the LTK pts is the stupid slo.mo.

    Agreed.
  • and David Hedison
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