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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Artistically SP might not be one of the worst title sequences, but that bloke whining all over it makes it the single worst title sequence experience of the franchise.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I like the SP title sequence and song. Quite Iconic. TWINE & DAD are my worst.....crap songs, uninspired titles with boring (and too much) CGI.
  • GBFGBF
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    DN better than QOS or SP ? ...interesting.

    DN looks indeed very cheap and does not make much sense but I somehow like it unique style. QoS is OK but there is not much going on and we only see the desert all the time and a bullet flying around. It also looks a bot cheap, like a screen saver.

    I find Spectre's title sequence to be confusing and overly emotional. Whereas I really liked the emotional approach in Skyfall's titles, it did not affect me at all in Sp and togther with its whiny song, the tentacle porn elements, a naked Craig and the picture of former Bond flms, the titles just turn into an unvoluntarily laughable mishmash. At least it is not completely uninspired like the last title sequences by Binder.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Ah I didn't know you meant 'sound' as well...that's different then.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    AVTAK may have the worst of them all.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I don't get it. AVTAK is my favourite of them all.

    The neon colours and the skiing silhouettes, the black and blue colours etc.
    How can that not be regarded as beautiful? It's so eighties and also technically it is one of the best Binder titles.
    And then of course the song which I will never tire to say is the best pop song ever created.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I like the SF titles; they are dreamlike. SP just feels literal, with previews of the movie to come, plus an octopus.

    TSWLM is one of Binder's best. The woman slowly spinning around the gun in time with NDIB...It doesn't get much better than that. Binder clearly was inspired by the song.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    I love SF titles. Visually they're stunning and intriguing. they blend in with the PTS very well and Adele's track is great. I didn't like the SP ones on first viewing. They've kind of grown on me but I'm not a big fan. Smith's song certainly benefits from being paired with them rather than listening in isolation. I think the titles represent the issues I have with the tone of SP. For a film that is 'classic bond' it sure has a lot of tormented singing, partners torn asunder and dark visuals all relating specifically to Bond. Taken as its own film SP (and its titles) are fine but when placed after SF and within the context of the Craig era and by extension Bond series as a whole it doesn't rise above for me.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    FRWL, GF and TB are the titles I like the most.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I don't get it. AVTAK is my favourite of them all.

    The neon colours and the skiing silhouettes, the black and blue colours etc.
    How can that not be regarded as beautiful? It's so eighties and also technically it is one of the best Binder titles.
    And then of course the song which I will never tire to say is the best pop song ever created.

    The song is brilliant. The rest you mention is what I hate about it.
  • gumboltgumbolt Now with in-office photocopier
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    The GE titles are awesome - the barrel with fireball morphing from the final shot of the PTS at the start is just so epic and the explosion in time with music really says Bond is back. I saw that in the cinema and genuinely felt a tingling sensation at that moment.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Mary Goodnight is ok in Gun. The issue is the comedic tone and the script, not her character, who would have worked better in a more serious movie. And yes she's inept but there are incompetent in every organisation.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I don't get it. AVTAK is my favourite of them all.

    The neon colours and the skiing silhouettes, the black and blue colours etc.
    How can that not be regarded as beautiful? It's so eighties and also technically it is one of the best Binder titles.
    And then of course the song which I will never tire to say is the best pop song ever created.

    The titles are also well matched to the song. The music cue as the TSWLM image of Moore appears and fires those red circle things at the screen for example. It was pretty impressive to me as a kid seeing it in the cinema in 1985, especially with the song, I can remember the audience cheering when the titles came on. Underrated Binder sequence.l
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I don't get it. AVTAK is my favourite of them all.

    The neon colours and the skiing silhouettes, the black and blue colours etc.
    How can that not be regarded as beautiful? It's so eighties and also technically it is one of the best Binder titles.
    And then of course the song which I will never tire to say is the best pop song ever created.

    The titles are also well matched to the song. The music cue as the TSWLM image of Moore appears and fires those red circle things at the screen for example. It was pretty impressive to me as a kid seeing it in the cinema in 1985, especially with the song, I can remember the audience cheering when the titles came on. Underrated Binder sequence.l

    AVTAK was my first Bond that I can remember seeing at the cinema. I did see OP, but at 8 I was too young and except for Octopussy herself it didn't leave any memories.

    AVTAK on the other hand I went to see ONLY for Duran Duran. AVTAK being my favourite song in the world I went to watch the film and those 3 minutes made me the happiest kid in the world. I liked the PTS a lot but everything after the titles was just a blur.

    I even went 2 or even 3 times more to the cinema just for the titles and left the cinema after they were finished.

    Needless to say Duran Duran remain my favourite band and AVTAK is the best pop song ever.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I don't get it. AVTAK is my favourite of them all.

    The neon colours and the skiing silhouettes, the black and blue colours etc.
    How can that not be regarded as beautiful? It's so eighties and also technically it is one of the best Binder titles.
    And then of course the song which I will never tire to say is the best pop song ever created.

    The titles are also well matched to the song. The music cue as the TSWLM image of Moore appears and fires those red circle things at the screen for example. It was pretty impressive to me as a kid seeing it in the cinema in 1985, especially with the song, I can remember the audience cheering when the titles came on. Underrated Binder sequence.l

    AVTAK was my first Bond that I can remember seeing at the cinema. I did see OP, but at 8 I was too young and except for Octopussy herself it didn't leave any memories.

    AVTAK on the other hand I went to see ONLY for Duran Duran. AVTAK being my favourite song in the world I went to watch the film and those 3 minutes made me the happiest kid in the world. I liked the PTS a lot but everything after the titles was just a blur.

    I even went 2 or even 3 times more to the cinema just for the titles and left the cinema after they were finished.

    Needless to say Duran Duran remain my favourite band and AVTAK is the best pop song ever.

    I saw MR at 4 and only remember the "Here's to us" scene. We ended up not seeing FYEO on it's first release, which was a shame, but OP and NSNA I remember vividly.
    AVTAK we saw on the Sunday after it opened- matinee screening and it was pretty packed. The poster was the Bond/Mayday back to back. The trailer was Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider. For some reason the Zorin disclaimer must have thrown me off, because it seemed the film kicked in with the gunbarrel. Of course then there wasn't a REGAL/AMC/ CINEPLEX ODEON etc logo between the trailers and the film. No Coke commercials, Verizon commercials etc. The movie commenced immediately after the previews.
    The title song was huge, and I find it baffling, that such a classic as Duran Duran's AVTAK got no Oscar nomination, yet Sam Smith's song actually won. I suppose it's a matter of preference, but to me there's no contest, VIEW had one of the best and most Bondian theme songs in the series. It's iconic in itself.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    It is a travesty that WotW won an Oscar and A View to a Kill didn't, but let's be real here—any song written for SPECTRE would have won the Oscar gold. With Mendes and Skyfall came a new air of prestige and subsequent "little category" recognition. If they had gone with Radiohead's song, Radiohead would have an Oscar. If Yanni had written the song—or Weezer or the Beastie Boys or Nicki Minaj—they would have won the Oscar. It was basically a two-for-one write the song, get an Oscar freebie.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    It is a travesty that WotW won an Oscar and A View to a Kill didn't, but let's be real here—any song written for SPECTRE would have won the Oscar gold. With Mendes and Skyfall came a new air of prestige and subsequent "little category" recognition. If they had gone with Radiohead's song, Radiohead would have an Oscar. If Yanni had written the song—or Weezer or the Beastie Boys or Nicki Minaj—they would have won the Oscar. It was basically a two-for-one write the song, get an Oscar freebie.
    I have to agree with you.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    This is partly why when somebody says, "Hey, shouldn't any Oscar win be praised by the fans as something good for the series?" I'm inclined to reply, "Erm, no? Not necessarily." Some wins, especially the unjustified ones, only serve to undermine all the series' true accomplishments that went unrecognized. Marvin Hamlisch wins the Oscar for aping beats from the Bee Gees yet John Barry isn't nominated once for any one of his 11 legendary contributions. Feels more like an insult than anything. I mean what would the reaction be if the series' one win in an acting category was Best Supporting Actor for Götz Otto in Tomorrow Never Dies?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I know what you mean. It s ridiculous.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,198
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    This is partly why when somebody says, "Hey, shouldn't any Oscar win be praised by the fans as something good for the series?" I'm inclined to reply, "Erm, no? Not necessarily." Some wins, especially the unjustified ones, only serve to undermine all the series' true accomplishments that went unrecognized. Marvin Hamlisch wins the Oscar for aping beats from the Bee Gees yet John Barry isn't nominated once for any one of his 11 legendary contributions. Feels more like an insult than anything. I mean what would the reaction be if the series' one win in an acting category was Best Supporting Actor for Götz Otto in Tomorrow Never Dies?

    I agree, but let's not overrate award shows. Occasionally they do reward a nice piece of work, but overall they are no benchmark other than "what was the biggest hype at that moment in time". Hence, Ben-Hur or Titanic winning no less than 11 Oscars, Rocky winning over Taxi Driver and of all the great ground-breaking Italian films through the years they went bonkers over Life Is Beautiful.

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Yes, that's the Oscars for you right down through the years.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2016 Posts: 9,020
    jake24 wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    It is a travesty that WotW won an Oscar and A View to a Kill didn't, but let's be real here—any song written for SPECTRE would have won the Oscar gold. With Mendes and Skyfall came a new air of prestige and subsequent "little category" recognition. If they had gone with Radiohead's song, Radiohead would have an Oscar. If Yanni had written the song—or Weezer or the Beastie Boys or Nicki Minaj—they would have won the Oscar. It was basically a two-for-one write the song, get an Oscar freebie.
    I have to agree with you.

    What both of you forget is that Sam Smith has won about every other possible award for his song. It's not just the Oscar.

    WOTW is universally seen as a Bond classic up there with Skyfall, Goldfinger, Thunderball etc.
    Furthermore it has been a huge hit all around the world. It's the only song in 20 years that has achieved that (except SF and GE).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Doesn't mean it's good though.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Doesn't mean it's good though.
    Very true.We live in a world where Justin Bieber is a hugely successful popstar.Despite the fact that hes talentless, a spoiled brat,and is horrible to his fans.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I feel like WOTW was both overhated and overrated. It didn't deserve an Oscar but at the same time it was far from the DAD, AWTD esque monstrosity that some fans made it out to be imo. It was a decent song that fit the titles and the film (the slow melanchonic feel of it fits the whole Bond's last mission theme pretty well and the big brassy bursts fit the classic Bond stuff well).

    I think also that Spectre might have the best musical segue into the titles of the series (either that or CR or DAD for me). I love how it kicks in as he flies off in the helicopter after the triumphant, the day is saved hints at the Bond theme.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    WOTW has a great start but doesn't really build up to anything. The lyrical aspect is the worst part anyway. Smith was a terrible choice to sing it honestly. A female singer would have done it justice. I strictly listen to the instrumental. It did have a great segue though. I enjoyed that part.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    +1 to both of you. It's a good song, but choosing Smith was a huge wasted opportunity.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    +1 to both of you. It's a good song, but choosing Smith was a huge wasted opportunity.

    I'm inclined to agree with that.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    This is a great cover though.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Hozier would have done a much superior theme.
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