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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Killer tune is more like it. \m/
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Killer tune is more like it. \m/

    Kills your eardrums. And your will to live.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Killer tune is more like it. \m/

    Kills your eardrums. And your will to live.

    Not mine, I enjoy the song.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Murdock wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Killer tune is more like it. \m/

    Kills your eardrums. And your will to live.

    Not mine, I enjoy the song.
    Glad I'm not alone on this.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on WOTW, @Birdleson?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Killer tune is more like it. \m/

    Kills your eardrums. And your will to live.

    Not mine, I enjoy the song.

    Some of the instrumentals are good, but the singing irritates me. Even the sound quality of the vocals seems off, like it was recorded by a teenage garage band.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    This is a great cover though.

    She sings it FOR him... I love this!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited November 2016 Posts: 10,592
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think it's a decent song, and the orchestration is spot on for a Bond film. My issue with it is more about context than quality. It is obviously, like the superior YOU KNOW MY NAME, meant to be sung from Bond's perspective. That doesn't sit well with me. I do not ever want Bond to be represented by a soft, effeminate voice. It just isn't Bond.

    I do wish that the music was incorporated into the soundtrack to a far greater degree. The monotony of the score is deadly.
    I pretty much agree with all of this. The music itself isn't the problem (in fact, it's both beautiful and Bondian). It's the lyrics and the way Bond is represented that turns me off. I like Smith, but choosing him for the theme was completely uninspired and clearly done to enhance box office returns (his music was the hottest thing at the time).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Another great cover from a very young person...

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I do wish that the music was incorporated into the soundtrack to a far greater degree. The monotony of the score is deadly.

    I frequently use a playlist of Newman's music for Spectre to fall asleep to. Really wish I could say I'm kidding, but I'm totally not.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Another great cover from a very young person...


    @chrisisall My Gosh! That was awesome!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I like it as well.

    As do I.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I must admit AWTD is growing on me,just as QOS has recently,a lot.

    Also,it is one of the most 'borrowed' Bond tunes (the opening notes) by other programmes.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    I must admit I don't mind the AWTD melody/tune. It's the awful lyrics (and the uh uh) that ruin it. I love it when the theme songs borrow from the Bond theme and AWTD certainly does - it's most obvious with the opening notes, and the end
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    Yeah the lyrics for AWTD are pretty terrible, but the melody is quite alright. Would have preferred Jack White to duet with someone else rather than Alicia Keys - when you have bad lyrics like that you need a Shirley Bassey type singer who will sell it to you.
  • GBFGBF
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Yeah the lyrics for AWTD are pretty terrible, but the melody is quite alright. Would have preferred Jack White to duet with someone else rather than Alicia Keys - when you have bad lyrics like that you need a Shirley Bassey type singer who will sell it to you.

    I guess we should make a ranking of song lyrics. Honestly, I find that many of them could be improved since they either make no sense or are too simple.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    GBF wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    LordBrettSinclair wrote: »
    I think this is controversial.

    I find Roger Moore to be the best James Bond. He invented the character a new after Sean Conney was the original James Bond and very iconic.
    Mr Moore was a new unique version of Bond. A much needed new vision of cinema Bond for 1970's and early 1980's.
    Only his age prevented him from doing more movies.

    His performances are great and he adapted very well to the different kind of films he got. Even when (too) old, he still dominated the screen. Something I don't find true for Mr Brosnan or Mr Craig. Except maybe Goldeneye and Spectre.
    To be fair maybe Mr Craig got too good an ensemble cast in his films, so he could not stick out.

    Don't mean disrespect, but this is a place for controversy.

    It's sad that someone has to apologize for finding Moore to be the best Bond! You're alright in my book.
    Edit - sorry, phone problems. Not sure what happened here.

    That is a very interesting point and I guess you are right. Honestly, I find that Craig and Brosnan are always in the shadows of other characters that I find more intresting in their films. This particularly true for Casino Royal where I really like the whole cast and think that Daniel is probably the least interesting of the many interesting characters...

    I really like the whole cast of CR but think that Daniel/ Bond is probably the most interesting of the many interesting characters.
  • daltondalton
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Yeah the lyrics for AWTD are pretty terrible, but the melody is quite alright. Would have preferred Jack White to duet with someone else rather than Alicia Keys - when you have bad lyrics like that you need a Shirley Bassey type singer who will sell it to you.

    I think they should have reworked AWTD into an instrumental. The lyrics are abysmal and there's little to no chemistry between Jack White and Alicia Keys.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Its still streets ahead of DAD by Madonna though. FREUD ANALYSE THIS!!!
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I like it as well.

    As do I.

    Thirded here. Another Way to Die works particularly well with the opening titles, which themselves stand alongside Kleinman's best IMO. The song has got its own aggressive, even abrasive, groove going on, which actually feels like just the thing for Craig's Bond.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Kleinman didn't do the titles for Q of S???? MK12 did.
  • GettlerGettler USA
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    And not very interesting. I actually find SP and SF's title sequences above CR's, which is above QOS's
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Kleinman didn't do the titles for Q of S???? MK12 did.

    I know, that's what I meant by what I wrote. I consider MK12's titles for Quantum of Solace to be right there alongside Kleinman's best (GoldenEye, Die Another Day, Casino Royale, Skyfall, what have you). And while I'm not sure how widely held the opinion is, I do consider Kleinman to be the king of title design work for the franchise, rivaled only by the early works of Maurice Binder (and Brownjohn's two entries, of course).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    MK12 did a sterling job.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Just watched "OHMSS" last night.
    Super underrated but oh my god how bad were the lines written for Lazenby?

    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"

    What on earth.. lol. To be honest what's so great about Tracey compared to the other Bond girls? I mean Bond is considered to be this womanizer who never falls in love? So they have that one scene where it's literally them riding on horses and "hanging out", which is where they get close and Bond falls in love? I don't know... I really don't, I love the movie but it feels off that Bond is suddenly in love with her.

    Now Vesper in CR 2006, I could totally see it. For many obvious reasons.
    Maybe it's just because the films old but I just don't think they did a good enough job portraying the love story.

    Bond goes and bangs all of these hot model patients then he goes back to Tracey a few days later? Ehhhh

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"


    That s a great line.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"


    That s a great line.

    It is quite corny though.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He wasn't wrong though. :P
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"


    That s a great line.

    It is quite corny though.

    @Thunderfinger was simply keeping in line with the thread's spirit of controversy. I admire his guts, of which he has a lot.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"


    That s a great line.

    It is quite corny though.

    @Thunderfinger was simply keeping in line with the thread's spirit of controversy. I admire his guts, of which he has a lot.

    Hahahaha.
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