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  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Just watched "OHMSS" last night.
    Super underrated but oh my god how bad were the lines written for Lazenby?

    "HE HAD LOTS OF GUTS!!"

    What on earth.. lol. To be honest what's so great about Tracey compared to the other Bond girls? I mean Bond is considered to be this womanizer who never falls in love? So they have that one scene where it's literally them riding on horses and "hanging out", which is where they get close and Bond falls in love? I don't know... I really don't, I love the movie but it feels off that Bond is suddenly in love with her.

    Now Vesper in CR 2006, I could totally see it. For many obvious reasons.
    Maybe it's just because the films old but I just don't think they did a good enough job portraying the love story.

    Bond goes and bangs all of these hot model patients then he goes back to Tracey a few days later? Ehhhh

    Interesting.Besides looks i cant understand why Bond would fall in love with Vesper as she was very annoying.

    And i love the '' He had lots of guts! '' line! One of Bonds best one liners and brillaintly delivered by Lazenby.

  • identigraphidentigraph
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    I never bought either of the love stories in these films. Very forced.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Besides looks i cant understand why Bond would fall in love with Vesper as she was very annoying.
    Always works for me.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    If Licence To Kill had an amazing tie in video game instead of Goldeneye it would be reviewed much higher as I feel the love of Goldeneye comes more from the game then the film.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    The setup for LTK was poorly done.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The setup for LTK was poorly done.

    By set up you mean the wedding? Yes I agree.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The setup for LTK was poorly done.

    By set up you mean the wedding? Yes I agree.

    Yes I do.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Bond should have played Baccarat in CR. I know Texas hold'em was popular at the time, but Baccarat is so much simpler to explain and show visually. I'm not concerned about being faithful to the book, but it would have cut a lot of the confusion for people out and just made it clearer.

    Also I think the parkour should have been the PTS. That would have made for a nice fake-out. This incompetent agent stumbles around, speaking to someone on the radio, but we can't hear the voice of who he is speaking to. Then once the bad guy sees him and starts running, pan up and Bond is overlooking the whole thing. This guy is the real agent 007! This would also cut out all the "Bond gets his license" backstory at the start of the film.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,817
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Bond should have played Baccarat in CR. I know Texas hold'em was popular at the time, but Baccarat is so much simpler to explain and show visually. I'm not concerned about being faithful to the book, but it would have cut a lot of the confusion for people out and just made it clearer.

    Also I think the parkour should have been the PTS. That would have made for a nice fake-out. This incompetent agent stumbles around, speaking to someone on the radio, but we can't hear the voice of who he is speaking to. Then once the bad guy sees him and starts running, pan up and Bond is overlooking the whole thing. This guy is the real agent 007! This would also cut out all the "Bond gets his license" backstory at the start of the film.

    My opinion is that you don't need to understand the specifics of the card game. I don't. But I understand the broader strokes and the artistry. Its the music, the cinematography, the shots and the acting that come together through the movements of the film to tell a story that needs only be comprehended tacitly. The card game is just the subject matter, and in my eyes is not important.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    IncompetentHenchman wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Bond should have played Baccarat in CR. I know Texas hold'em was popular at the time, but Baccarat is so much simpler to explain and show visually. I'm not concerned about being faithful to the book, but it would have cut a lot of the confusion for people out and just made it clearer.

    Also I think the parkour should have been the PTS. That would have made for a nice fake-out. This incompetent agent stumbles around, speaking to someone on the radio, but we can't hear the voice of who he is speaking to. Then once the bad guy sees him and starts running, pan up and Bond is overlooking the whole thing. This guy is the real agent 007! This would also cut out all the "Bond gets his license" backstory at the start of the film.

    My opinion is that you don't need to understand the specifics of the card game. I don't. But I understand the broader strokes and the artistry. Its the music, the cinematography, the shots and the acting that come together through the movements of the film to tell a story that needs only be comprehended tacitly. The card game is just the subject matter, and in my eyes is not important.

    I still think that the simpler game lends itself more to film.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Bond should have played Baccarat in CR. I know Texas hold'em was popular at the time, but Baccarat is so much simpler to explain and show visually. I'm not concerned about being faithful to the book, but it would have cut a lot of the confusion for people out and just made it clearer.

    Also I think the parkour should have been the PTS. That would have made for a nice fake-out. This incompetent agent stumbles around, speaking to someone on the radio, but we can't hear the voice of who he is speaking to. Then once the bad guy sees him and starts running, pan up and Bond is overlooking the whole thing. This guy is the real agent 007! This would also cut out all the "Bond gets his license" backstory at the start of the film.

    I always felt had Brosnan starred in CR, the parkour scene would have been the PTS (Bond would have been wearing something a bit more stylish as well), and the Bond getting his 00 status would have been dropped.
    I agree about Baccarat as well. Texas hold'em dates the movie, as it was very 2006. Just like the Domination game dates NSNA. Baccarat is timeless.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I agree about the baccarat game. It is more Bondian too. It is time we get it back into the films, last time was in GE.


    Also Craig's attire bugs me in the parkour scene.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I sort of agree with all of you. Baccarat is indeed more 'classic' but as IncompetentHenchman noted, one doesn't really need to understand the game to appreciate the film. It's somewhat secondary. I certainly got the gist of it, and that's all I needed. It made me focus on the performances all that much more on account of it.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Re the LTK wedding...the bald man with the beard dancing had some seriously over-active dancing....anyone else notice that ?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There was overacting all round in certain parts of LTK sadly. I'm planning to watch it again this weekend and will look out for it.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    By the pool...he is a boogy nutjob...bald head,grey wedding suit...
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Re the LTK wedding...the bald man with the beard dancing had some seriously over-active dancing....anyone else notice that ?

    Yeah, dad dancing at its best!

  • barryt007barryt007
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    hahaha he is one hell of a groover..silly old git
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Bloody awful.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    If Licence To Kill had an amazing tie in video game instead of Goldeneye it would be reviewed much higher as I feel the love of Goldeneye comes more from the game then the film.

    I agree with this.I think GE while a perfectly fine Bond film is overrated by many fans and critics.It is in fact pretty much as silly as DAD but the latter gets criticised as being the '' worst '' of the Brosnan era.The video game of GE was just SO good and i beleive nostalgia for the game makes fans view the film through rose tinted glasses.

    LTK is a far superior Bond film but is seen as the one which nearly killed the franchise due to its less than stellar box office, being the last to feature Dalton which makes many beleive that he was '' fired '' from the role and being the one which caused the six year gap in between films.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2016 Posts: 11,189
    Licence to Kill has a stronger villain but I think GoldenEye has a stronger supporting cast overall than Kill does.

    Cary Lowell, Talisa Soto, Everitt McGill, Frank McRae, Priscilla Barnes and occasionally David Hedison are all quite bad.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Murdock wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))

    Also Dirty Love. Worst Bond soundtrack song ever?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))

    Also Dirty Love. Worst Bond soundtrack song ever?

    Yeah that was pretty bad. I don't think it's the worst soundtrack. I enjoy Kamen's work but the isolated bar/party music was pretty bad. Kinda like the Asian Bath music from AVTAK which I swear was also used in Death Wish 2 or at least something very similar sounding. :))
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))

    Also Dirty Love. Worst Bond soundtrack song ever?

    Kinda like the Asian Bath music from AVTAK which I swear was also used in Death Wish 2 or at least something very similar sounding. :))

    Amusing anecdote from Jon Burlingame's phenomenal book "The Music of James Bond" (which every James Bond fan worth his or her salt really must have on the shelf): the music for that scene was performed with a koto by an ethnic instrument specialist and was entirely improvised. They told him to go in the recording booth and just start playing. As this was at the end of an exhausting day, they fell asleep in the recording booth and after 20 minutes of improvisation the player asked over the intercom if they had enough for what they needed. 20 minutes of improvised koto. I expect that to show up in full on an expanded release of A View to a Kill's score some day. ;)
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))

    Also Dirty Love. Worst Bond soundtrack song ever?

    Yeah that was pretty bad. I don't think it's the worst soundtrack. I enjoy Kamen's work but the isolated bar/party music was pretty bad. Kinda like the Asian Bath music from AVTAK which I swear was also used in Death Wish 2 or at least something very similar sounding. :))

    I think Dirty Love is supposed to be cheesy.Lets not forget it plays in a dive bar where thugs regulary hang out.It suits the scene.

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Dirty Love is amazing 80s cheese!

    "Dirty, dirty love!"
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    If Licence To Kill had an amazing tie in video game instead of Goldeneye it would be reviewed much higher as I feel the love of Goldeneye comes more from the game then the film.

    I agree with this.I think GE while a perfectly fine Bond film is overrated by many fans and critics.It is in fact pretty much as silly as DAD but the latter gets criticised as being the '' worst '' of the Brosnan era.The video game of GE was just SO good and i beleive nostalgia for the game makes fans view the film through rose tinted glasses.

    I can see where the GE criticisms come from, but the characters, the direction, and Campbell's direction of the characters makes it a great watch

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Found the music to that scene. Its like a crap version of Dr No's "jump up"

    Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing for the N64. :))

    Also Dirty Love. Worst Bond soundtrack song ever?

    LTK has a couple of shockers in 'Dirty Love' - indicative of cheesy 80s soft rock and 'if you asked me to' annoys me too. 'The experience of love' in GE is a shocker as is 'Make it last all night' from FYEO.

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