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  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited December 2016 Posts: 12,466
    Ludovico wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Don't know if it's very controversial, but TB is my favorite overall collection of Bond girls in a Bond film. Fiona and Domino alone really put it at the top in that department for me.

    Let's not forget Pat.

    I didn't. Just mentioning my favorites. I have my doubts a Bond film will be able to top TB's lineup of Bond girls.
    royale65 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Don't know if it's very controversial, but TB is my favorite overall collection of Bond girls in a Bond film. Fiona and Domino alone really put it at the top in that department for me.

    We may disagree about Tatiana but we agree on TB's magnificent beauties!

    It's ok; everyone disagrees with me about Tatiana :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Don't know if it's very controversial, but TB is my favorite overall collection of Bond girls in a Bond film. Fiona and Domino alone really put it at the top in that department for me.

    Let's not forget Pat.
    Pat is excellent too. TB certainly is outstanding on the female front.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Don't know if it's very controversial, but TB is my favorite overall collection of Bond girls in a Bond film. Fiona and Domino alone really put it at the top in that department for me.

    Not controversial at all.The two finest ladies of the Connery era in my opinion.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Sylvia Trench and Honey Ryder are far superior to Domino and Fiona.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Domino and Fiona are an incredible twosome in itself, but when you also add Pat and Paula, it's game over.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    Glad that that one's a popular opinion. TB is untouchable with its Bond girls. One of the film's best merits for certain.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Not a huge fan of Sylvia Trench but I love the first scene she shares with Connery in the casino.

    My Bond girl rankings would be Fiona, Honey, Pat, Vesper, Pussy, Tracy, Camille
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    My favourites are Fiona, Tania, Tracy, Vesper, Elektra and Kara.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    My slightly controversial circa ranking of the women:


    Top 10
    -Tracy
    -Sylvia Trench
    -Pussy Galore
    -Honey Ryder
    -Tiffany Case
    -Holly Goodhead
    -Xenia Onatopp
    -Agent XXX
    -Melina Havelock
    -Camille

    11-20
    -Mary Goodnight
    -Pam Bouvier
    -Fiona Volpe
    -Kara Milovy
    -Madeleine Swann
    -Jinx
    -Miranda Frost
    -Wai Lin
    -Natalya Simonova
    -Vesper Lynd (too annoying a character to be higher)
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    -Vesper Lynd (too annoying a character to be higher)

    Really? I think CR is as good as it is because of Eva Green's incredible performance.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited December 2016 Posts: 45,489
    I never understood the appeal of Pat.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I never understood the appeal of Pat.

    Neither have I actually.
  • GBFGBF
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    -Vesper Lynd (too annoying a character to be higher)

    Really? I think CR is as good as it is because of Eva Green's incredible performance.

    I think so too. The best character in the film... I actually do not get the hype about all the Honeys and Pussies and Dominos who all do not really do not so very much much in the earlier films....
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    -Vesper Lynd (too annoying a character to be higher)

    Really? I think CR is as good as it is because of Eva Green's incredible performance.

    If we talk performance, Eva Green rulez, nothing comes close to her, certainly not Craig. She steals the movie.

    But as a character and that is what my ranking is based of she doesn't do much for me, I don't buy her "sudden" betrayal of Bond, but that's another topic. I said before I have problems with the last act of CR.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    FoxRox wrote: »

    Be that as it may, it's still obnoxious to me. It's incessant and over-stressed IMO, to where it just becomes annoying and clingy.

    Sounds like that annoying little trollop,the worst ever Bond girl,called Kara 'shit for brains' Milovy...

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I never understood the appeal of Pat.

    Neither have I actually.
    To quote Tiger Tanaka: "She's very sexiful"
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    -Vesper Lynd (too annoying a character to be higher)

    Really? I think CR is as good as it is because of Eva Green's incredible performance.

    If we talk performance, Eva Green rulez, nothing comes close to her, certainly not Craig. She steals the movie.

    But as a character and that is what my ranking is based of she doesn't do much for me, I don't buy her "sudden" betrayal of Bond, but that's another topic. I said before I have problems with the last act of CR.

    Agree with this.Eva Green rules but Vesper as a character is very annoying and her committing suicide after Bond killed alls the baddies was nonsense ( Theres actually a very funny youtube video called '' How Casino Royale should have ended '' which makes fun of it actually ).

  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    barry007 is off again! I really think you fancy Kara, as you seem to talk about her a lot!
    Eva Green is that rare item..brains and beauty, a perfect Vesper Lynd, she is quite wonderful!
    Anyone see her in Sin City 2? Wowza!
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,197
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    barry007 is off again! I really think you fancy Kara, as you seem to talk about her a lot!
    Eva Green is that rare item..brains and beauty, a perfect Vesper Lynd, she is quite wonderful!
    Anyone see her in Sin City 2? Wowza!

    I agree... Maybe I am simply biased since I think that Eva Green is a great and extremely beautifull actor... Hence I don't care so extremely much about Vesper as a character...
  • GBFGBF
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    PS: I agree however that the suicide scene is a bit too emotionaly and dramatic and too much inspired by Hollywood blockbusters....
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, there is nothing emotional or dramatic about suicide...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,118
    GBF wrote: »
    PS: I agree however that the suicide scene is a bit too emotionaly and dramatic and too much inspired by Hollywood blockbusters....

    I agree with that too. It's a pity they handled it that way. This is why CR is not a perfect Bond film for me, it is too much influenced what appears to be 'in' at that time.

    OHMSS or FRWL are films that feel more confident and classy. The dramatic ending of OHMSS is so much more subtle in its execution (no pun intended).
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Wow. I thought Vesper's suicide was handled very well; it was a well-earned emotional/dramatic moment for the film. CR and OHMSS's tragedies are handled differently, but each very well IMO.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Wow. I thought Vesper's suicide was handled very well; it was a well-earned emotional/dramatic moment for the film. CR and OHMSS's tragedies are handled differently, but each very well IMO.


  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    That video is class and true. To be fair Fleming's novels stretch belief too, but I love them all the same.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2016 Posts: 23,883
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GBF wrote: »
    PS: I agree however that the suicide scene is a bit too emotionaly and dramatic and too much inspired by Hollywood blockbusters....

    I agree with that too. It's a pity they handled it that way. This is why CR is not a perfect Bond film for me, it is too much influenced what appears to be 'in' at that time.

    OHMSS or FRWL are films that feel more confident and classy. The dramatic ending of OHMSS is so much more subtle in its execution (no pun intended).
    I have to agree with this. The last third of CR is the primary reason I hardly watch the film, although I absolutely love the ending and nearly all of the rest of it. A little too lathered on for my tastes.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,197
    I like the plot twist that Vesper actually betrayed Bond but like GoldenGuns has said, the death of Tracy in OHMSS is much more subtle and natural in its execution. The emotions are also less forced than in CR.

    However, I still love Vesper, mainly because of the great Eva Green.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2016 Posts: 8,395
    I prefer the second half of TND to the first. I think that is pretty controversial around here, eh? :>
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Wow ,just a bit yes !!!
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    edited December 2016 Posts: 2,341
    I've always been bothered by the racism in the early films. It seems like its the elephant in the room that so many fans want to ignore.
    DN is explicitly racist.
    As are GF and to a lesser extent YOLT
    Around the time of DAF (1970's) the racism seemed to subside and completely vanish. So many claimed that LALD was racist but I disagree. I found GF and DN much more racist than Moore's first film.

    DN the night club scene with the Jamaican dancers, rolling their eyes and dancing like a bunch of ... trust me I've been to many dances and have seen many people of color dance and I've never saw a black person make those faces while dancing.
    I never got past the scene where Bond orders Quarrel to "fetch my shoes". I've mentioned this on several occasions and no one seems to get the racist overtones of this line.

    GF the way the Koreans are displayed and the comments regarding OddJob are hardly flattering in their racist overtones.

    At the risk of getting flamed: I am not being overly sensitive.
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